Re: [hlds_linux] Re: VALVe getting critism from 3 sides for blocking the "fancy menu hack"

2005-05-23 Thread m0gely

ironchef wrote:


Are menus so bloody important that
you need raise hell like this? Why not instead concentrate on
performance improvements and better plugins?


I think it's hit and miss.  I prefer the console as well, but I know
several of my admins prefer the menu in some circumstances.  Some
commands are just too simple for use in a menu, and some that have
several parts may be easier from the menu (like teleporting).

Bottom line is, I think there just needs to be a menuing system for the
SRCDS engine that works on all mods and is easily accessible.  The old
method seems to be popular so I think Valve should consider the massive
community outcry here and figure out a way to make that happen.  I just
with the some of the community approached this matter better.

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RE: [hlds_linux] Re: VALVe getting critism from 3 sides for blocking the "fancy menu hack"

2005-05-23 Thread ironchef
Frash wrote:
> So, this brings us to our next point of the discussion. Since VALVe
> promised
> to offer the plugin developers full assistence, I am wondering the
> following:
>
> When will the fancy menu's be added to the official API?

I may be completely wrong here since I haven't used any admin mods for
Source yet, but aren't all the commands in the menus available as
console commands as well? I've personally never relied on the menus in
AMX since they're slow and cumbersome, and the menuing system for
clients in CSS was equally poor, often times getting stuck at a
particular screen until I was killed. Are menus so bloody important that
you need raise hell like this? Why not instead concentrate on
performance improvements and better plugins?


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Re: [hlds_linux] Re: VALVe getting critism from 3 sides for blocking the "fancy menu hack"

2005-05-22 Thread Eric (Deacon)

In a bold display of creativity, m0gely wrote:

So, this brings us to our next point of the discussion. Since VALVe
promised
to offer the plugin developers full assistence, I am wondering the
following:


I read "flexible" somewhere.  Where did you see "full assistance"?


Right there on his Magical Wish List.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Re: VALVe getting critism from 3 sides for blocking the "fancy menu hack"

2005-05-22 Thread m0gely

Frash wrote:


So, this brings us to our next point of the discussion. Since VALVe promised
to offer the plugin developers full assistence, I am wondering the
following:


I read "flexible" somewhere.  Where did you see "full assistance"?

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[hlds_linux] Re: VALVe getting critism from 3 sides for blocking the "fancy menu hack"

2005-05-22 Thread Frash
> Well, lets just see, this is not a gripe it's just a little list and
TINAEL:

Well they did have the time to block it, so apparently it has a priority for
them ;)

For the people who consider this discussion is filled with "whiners":
We all know the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". It wasn't broke,
yet it was fixed to enforce a new API policy. No decent alternative (apart
from the VGUI menu) has been offered yet, so people are now requesting an
alternative. Doesn't sound that unreasonable to me.

I remember Paul N todd in the hilarious "My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss" said
something like: "Sometimes you really have to get under someone's skin
to get something done." Now that's business. Stop thinking people are
attacking VALVe. If they hated VALVe they wouln't be on this list on the
first place.


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Re: [hlds_linux] Re: VALVe getting critism from 3 sides for blocking the "fancy menu hack"

2005-05-22 Thread James Tucker
On 5/22/05, Frash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, this brings us to our next point of the discussion. Since VALVe promised
> to offer the plugin developers full assistence, I am wondering the
> following:
>
> When will the fancy menu's be added to the official API?

Well, lets just see, this is not a gripe it's just a little list and TINAEL:

VAC2
Day of Defeat Source
Friends Network
Mapping Errors
Terrorist Head Hitbox
...

I think you'll get my meaning.


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[hlds_linux] Re: VALVe getting critism from 3 sides for blocking the "fancy menu hack"

2005-05-22 Thread Frash
So, this brings us to our next point of the discussion. Since VALVe promised
to offer the plugin developers full assistence, I am wondering the
following:

When will the fancy menu's be added to the official API?


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