Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
I'm also running 200hz on a 4.x machine. It seemed to give the best performance for CPU tradeoff. I tested 100, 200, 500 and 1000. 1000 just ate way too much CPU and made it difficult to run more than 1 server on a dual 2.8 xeon. Just my experiences with hz on FBSD. -Andy Do you run with a stock kernel if so then that would easily explain the difference. The newer linux's have a kernel HZ of 1000 where as FBSD has 100 this can easily be changed. 4.X requires a kernel recompile 5.X can be set it on boot. Some people go with 1000 HZ be we found that a number of servers use quite a bit more CPU when doing this so our default is 200 HZ which seems to give a good compromise. If you have any questions feel free to ask or pop by #gspadmins on QuakeNet IRC. Steve / K - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm running 4.11-STABLE on dual Athlon platform. I've not wanted to disrupt long time existing customers to upgrade, because after my experience from 3.x to 4.x, I start with a clean slate on full version updates. I've got 5.4-STABLE on newer, non-gaming servers. I see a marked performance difference (client FPS, warping) with Doom3 on these FreeBSD machines as compared to the native Linux machines. I have seen less of a performance difference with HL2, but still a difference. I do not see this difference in the Q3 based servers. I have not tried to compare using FreeBSD 5.x. I'm running the base version 8 Linux emu. I should have also mentioned that I run UT2K4 in FreeBSD, and get similar performance on either platform. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
Actually if u check the CVS tree you will see RELENG_5_4 is already a valid tag and as 5 is a STABLE branch it is technically possible to have 5.4-STABLE although I know where ur coming from :) Steve / K - Original Message - From: "Eric Humphries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 4/25/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: updates. I've got 5.4-STABLE on newer, non-gaming servers. 5.4-RELEASE doesn't exist yet, how could you possibly have 5.4-STABLE? Either you're running 5.4-RC3, or you're running 5.3-STABLE. Personally I've had great luck with freebsd and CS:S using the linux_base-rh-9 port for linux emulation. On the same machine running native linux, I could not note any performance differences. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
> 5.4-RELEASE doesn't exist yet, how could you possibly have 5.4-STABLE? > Either you're running 5.4-RC3, or you're running 5.3-STABLE. Not true: FreeBSD atomic.burghcom.com 5.4-STABLE FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 5 10:27:20 EDT 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATOMIC i386 *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5 Also, I have a custom kernel on my 4.11-STABLE boxen: options HZ=1000 Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
On 4/25/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > updates. I've got 5.4-STABLE on newer, non-gaming servers. 5.4-RELEASE doesn't exist yet, how could you possibly have 5.4-STABLE? Either you're running 5.4-RC3, or you're running 5.3-STABLE. Personally I've had great luck with freebsd and CS:S using the linux_base-rh-9 port for linux emulation. On the same machine running native linux, I could not note any performance differences. Which OS to use is really quite trivial, how about some mod support already! -- Eric Humphries ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
Do you run with a stock kernel if so then that would easily explain the difference. The newer linux's have a kernel HZ of 1000 where as FBSD has 100 this can easily be changed. 4.X requires a kernel recompile 5.X can be set it on boot. Some people go with 1000 HZ be we found that a number of servers use quite a bit more CPU when doing this so our default is 200 HZ which seems to give a good compromise. If you have any questions feel free to ask or pop by #gspadmins on QuakeNet IRC. Steve / K - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm running 4.11-STABLE on dual Athlon platform. I've not wanted to disrupt long time existing customers to upgrade, because after my experience from 3.x to 4.x, I start with a clean slate on full version updates. I've got 5.4-STABLE on newer, non-gaming servers. I see a marked performance difference (client FPS, warping) with Doom3 on these FreeBSD machines as compared to the native Linux machines. I have seen less of a performance difference with HL2, but still a difference. I do not see this difference in the Q3 based servers. I have not tried to compare using FreeBSD 5.x. I'm running the base version 8 Linux emu. I should have also mentioned that I run UT2K4 in FreeBSD, and get similar performance on either platform. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
> Do you want to quantify "better luck"? > > Steve / K Since you asked I'm running 4.11-STABLE on dual Athlon platform. I've not wanted to disrupt long time existing customers to upgrade, because after my experience from 3.x to 4.x, I start with a clean slate on full version updates. I've got 5.4-STABLE on newer, non-gaming servers. I see a marked performance difference (client FPS, warping) with Doom3 on these FreeBSD machines as compared to the native Linux machines. I have seen less of a performance difference with HL2, but still a difference. I do not see this difference in the Q3 based servers. I have not tried to compare using FreeBSD 5.x. I'm running the base version 8 Linux emu. I should have also mentioned that I run UT2K4 in FreeBSD, and get similar performance on either platform. Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
Do you want to quantify "better luck"? Steve / K - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It seems Linux is more the choice of operating systems for game servers. Hm, but that statement might start some holy wars over OS's so I'll just stop now :) I run both FreeBSD with Linux emulation and native Linux as a platform for gaming. Both have their good and bad points. I can run any server on either platform, but have had better luck running Doom3 and HL2 in native linux ... and running Q3 base (SoF2, CoD(UO)) and Battlefield (Vietnam, 1942) under FreeBSD Linux emu. I break with this tradition in running a retro Q3A Rocket Arena in native Linux. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
> It seems Linux is more the choice of operating systems for game servers. > Hm, but that statement might start some holy wars over OS's so I'll just > stop now :) I run both FreeBSD with Linux emulation and native Linux as a platform for gaming. Both have their good and bad points. I can run any server on either platform, but have had better luck running Doom3 and HL2 in native linux ... and running Q3 base (SoF2, CoD(UO)) and Battlefield (Vietnam, 1942) under FreeBSD Linux emu. I break with this tradition in running a retro Q3A Rocket Arena in native Linux. Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
Seems strange your having problems we have over 50 CS:S servers here all running on FreeBSD ( mixture of 5.2.1 and 5.1 ) and have not had any issues reported. Ahh saying that I just remembered we're running a custom linux kernel patch that I knocked up to prevent server crashes with large rcon requests. Wonder if that's your problem? What's the stack on the crash your seeing? Steve / K - Original Message - From: "Bart King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello, My guess I that this has to do with the fact that you're running 5.4 and using amd64 code. Amd64 has had some stability bugs in the 5.x branch, have you tried this w/5.3? Yes, we have tried 5.3 in the past and achieved the same results. Just to bring things up to speed, we removed linux_base-8 and installed the rh9 package instead and indeed, srcds didn't crash within the hour... Just within 24 hours instead. Because I was feeling daring, I tried both the _i686 version and the _amd version on rh9 to see if there was any difference, and no, it still died (once, might I add) within 24 hours. So, not very impressed, we've decided to switch all our servers used for STEAM games over to Debian. We've had a server running on Debian for some months, and recently, srcds has been running for up to two weeks before we manually killed it for some nasty memory leaks (it was using 300MB of RAM more than when it started). It seems Linux is more the choice of operating systems for game servers. Hm, but that statement might start some holy wars over OS's so I'll just stop now :) This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
Hello, > My guess I that this has to do with the fact that you're > running 5.4 and using amd64 code. Amd64 has had some stability > bugs in the 5.x branch, have you tried this w/5.3? Yes, we have tried 5.3 in the past and achieved the same results. Just to bring things up to speed, we removed linux_base-8 and installed the rh9 package instead and indeed, srcds didn't crash within the hour... Just within 24 hours instead. Because I was feeling daring, I tried both the _i686 version and the _amd version on rh9 to see if there was any difference, and no, it still died (once, might I add) within 24 hours. So, not very impressed, we've decided to switch all our servers used for STEAM games over to Debian. We've had a server running on Debian for some months, and recently, srcds has been running for up to two weeks before we manually killed it for some nasty memory leaks (it was using 300MB of RAM more than when it started). It seems Linux is more the choice of operating systems for game servers. Hm, but that statement might start some holy wars over OS's so I'll just stop now :) Cheers all, -- Bart King -- http://www.bart666.com +44 781 219 5654 -- PGP: 0xC9C3EB8B ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
Actually your wrong there reza there are a lot more fixes for stability in 5.4 than 5.3 and its currently recommended to run the latest stable branch or 5.4 over 5.3 for AMD64. Also there is no mention of running AMD64 so the entire question may be mute. Steve / K - Original Message - From: "Reza A. Ambler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My guess I that this has to do with the fact that you're running 5.4 and using amd64 code. Amd64 has had some stability bugs in the 5.x branch, have you tried this w/5.3? This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
My guess I that this has to do with the fact that you're running 5.4 and using amd64 code. Amd64 has had some stability bugs in the 5.x branch, have you tried this w/5.3? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bart King Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:54 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5 Hi all, Now, to dig up an old subject from a couple of months ago, and in light of recent srcds releases, I am wondering if people have had the time to find if they've had more success with running srcds on FreeBSD 5. For the last two months, we've been running a 64-player public server on Linux, without fault. But, from a management point of view, Linux doesn't fit into our networking model as well as FreeBSD does (since all our other servers are either FreeBSD or Solaris). So, we bought a new Opteron server and installed FreeBSD 5.4-RC1 on it. We rsync'd the srcds installing that's one the Linux box to the new FreeBSD box, changed the IP so it matched the Linux box, and ran srcds again. Now, there appear to be some stability issues with the server now (we are running srcds_i686, don't trust the 64-bit binary :), but I'm not sure if it is to do with srcds, but more to do with FreeBSD itself. Srcds has crashed four times in the last 24 hours, whereas when running on Linux it ran for two weeks without dying. In the past, it's been mentioned that changing linux_base to something else has helped reduce crashing (perhaps even stop it from happening). We are currently using linux_base-8-8.0_6, I am wondering if changing to, say, linux_base-rh-9 would make any difference? If anyone can shed some light, I'd be most grateful. -- Bart King -- http://www.bart666.com +44 781 219 5654 -- PGP: 0xC9C3EB8B ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S on FreeBSD 5
I've run only on Freebsd for the past 2-3 years now and have had some different results overall. I has issues getting the 64bit version working with the motherboard I had and several other nightmares that are entirely another story. I'm currently running a quad Xeon and an AMD 2600 both running freebsd 5.2.1. I initially used the linux_base-8 but later switched to linux_base-rh-9 and noticed that some stability issues had been resolved. That might or might not be a similar issue as what you're seeing. What processor are you using and what motherboard? You might want to revert back to a previous version of FreeBSD. I had nothing but trouble every time I've run RC1 releases and tried to run non-native daemons off of it. One thing outside of the stability issues is recompiling the kernel for srcds. I've based all my kernel tweaks off of Avleen's guide: http://silverwraith.com/papers/freebsd-tuning.php. The ones that really help (as would be expected ) are enabling polling and setting HZ. It's been brought up a thousand times here so I won't flog it too much more but, do it. Hope that helps, -pat monkey13.com hostage-down.net Bart King wrote: Hi all, Now, to dig up an old subject from a couple of months ago, and in light of recent srcds releases, I am wondering if people have had the time to find if they've had more success with running srcds on FreeBSD 5. For the last two months, we've been running a 64-player public server on Linux, without fault. But, from a management point of view, Linux doesn't fit into our networking model as well as FreeBSD does (since all our other servers are either FreeBSD or Solaris). So, we bought a new Opteron server and installed FreeBSD 5.4-RC1 on it. We rsync'd the srcds installing that's one the Linux box to the new FreeBSD box, changed the IP so it matched the Linux box, and ran srcds again. Now, there appear to be some stability issues with the server now (we are running srcds_i686, don't trust the 64-bit binary :), but I'm not sure if it is to do with srcds, but more to do with FreeBSD itself. Srcds has crashed four times in the last 24 hours, whereas when running on Linux it ran for two weeks without dying. In the past, it's been mentioned that changing linux_base to something else has helped reduce crashing (perhaps even stop it from happening). We are currently using linux_base-8-8.0_6, I am wondering if changing to, say, linux_base-rh-9 would make any difference? If anyone can shed some light, I'd be most grateful. -- Bart King -- http://www.bart666.com +44 781 219 5654 -- PGP: 0xC9C3EB8B ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
