Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
Eric (Deacon) wrote: You're being pretty pushy, there, man. Might want to tone it down a notch. Now, you both are obviously missing out on the fact that you're both using the same term, but with a slight change in perspective. Well then, sorry Eric, Stefan. I thought I made myself clear. Maybe I didn't. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
Dude, I am SO sorry for flaming you so badly as I must have there. My cutting words intended to insult and tear down were horribly wrong, since I'm the one that typed them, or so I'm told. That entire message was definitely simply adding to the hlds_linux fat, since it had my name in the From field. I'm sorry for contributing nothing but useless excess tissue... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Florian Zschocke Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues? Eric (Deacon) wrote: You're being pretty pushy, there, man. Might want to tone it down a notch. Now, you both are obviously missing out on the fact that you're both using the same term, but with a slight change in perspective. Well then, sorry Eric, Stefan. I thought I made myself clear. Maybe I didn't. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo /hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
Stefan Huszics wrote: Actually what OGC is doing is 100% circumventing detection. The funtion is there ONLY check if the secure module is updated and it ONLY disables the cheat if it is, otherwise it stays active. That IS circumventing detection (as opposed to eg trying to _hide_ the active cheat from detection). You realy don't get it, do you. Ok, last time I'll reply to this. When a cheat is unloaded/disabled you cannot use it anymore. You cannot cheat. The cheat isn't there anymore, it doesn't function. To circumvent a detection means that as a result the cheat still is active and usable but was not detected. But the unloaded cheat is not present to be used, so how could this be circumvention. In your logic if I would cheat and get detected and then I decide to uninstall the cheat, wipe it from my harddrive, then I would circumvent the detection (because the no existent cheat cannot be deteted) and would thus be doing something illelgal? What kind of a warped logic is that? Btw, either you're living in the future or you compters date setting is fucked up. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
Well well, let me understand guys, what you want is politician to make law about cheats abd maybe stolen key Just to point out a minor quibble: you're referring to everyone when you say guys, not just the crackpot in question ;) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
I'd rather we proved that there is a technical solution or a social solution to this problem. On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 15:48, Petros Mylonopoulos wrote: quote who=DeNiro Also consider that in both US and EU it is illegale to toy aroun dwith secured information. By hacking into the security module they are not only breaking the EULA but also breaking a much more serious law. Good point. Send the DMCA on them. Make it useful for a change. - Invader Zim | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | This looks like a job for me Counter Strike at| ICQ: 2548100 | So Everybody Just Follow me http://cs.take13.net | http://take13.net | Cuz we need a little controversy 6 CS servers powered by Slackware Linux | Cuz it feels so empty without me - ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
May I have some words about WTF IS THE DMCA? Digital Millenium *Copyright* Act http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_billsdocid=f:h2281enr.txt.pdf Is what it is about. USA != the entire world. No, but go look at what WIPO are trying to do, especially with things like their WCT. So far 35 countrys have signed that... and that numbers ever increasing. Thank God. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues? May I have some words about WTF IS THE DMCA? Digital Millenium *Copyright* Act http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_billsdoc id=f:h2281enr.txt.pdf Thank you, too much information is always better than none :D MoD, Always @ your service. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
Also consider that in both US and EU it is illegale to toy aroun dwith secured information. By hacking into the security module they are not only breaking the EULA but also breaking a much more serious law. Of course, one good successfull legal case against a cheater or cheat-maker would leave a very interesting situation afterwards. -Cruiser - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues? Anyway, I don't think cheaters really care if they breach the EULA or not. Quite likely they didn't pay for the game to begin with, so breaking one rule more or less won't bother them. This brings me back to my point in the first place, which was why would some cheater care about following the GPL guidelines when releasing new versions of cheats when they don't care about legal issues anyway? Actually what OGC is doing is 100% circumventing detection. Definitely. And about any legal action against cheaters, I do not know of any gaming company taking action against them, nor do I think any will in the future. Not only are there way too many of them, but with so many international users in the internet multiplayer community, it is virtually impossible to track them all down and attempt to do anything about them in their home country. The gaming compaines and the admin community will have to continue to develop ways to block these cheats and patch any vulnerabilities, just as is happening now. And plus, even though updating the code is no easy task, it is still much faster than any judiciary system in the world. It'ls been good to have some discussion on the issue. Keep up the good work Valve, admins, and organizations that promote fair gaming. Jonathan Hodges Northwestern University [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
Valve using the DMCA would be a disaster for everyone. On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 15:48, Petros Mylonopoulos wrote: quote who=DeNiro Also consider that in both US and EU it is illegale to toy aroun dwith secured information. By hacking into the security module they are not only breaking the EULA but also breaking a much more serious law. Good point. Send the DMCA on them. Make it useful for a change. - Invader Zim | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | This looks like a job for me Counter Strike at| ICQ: 2548100 | So Everybody Just Follow me http://cs.take13.net | http://take13.net | Cuz we need a little controversy 6 CS servers powered by Slackware Linux | Cuz it feels so empty without me - ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Cheers, Matt ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
Or on the other hand you have countrys such as the Cook Islands, where NO copyright laws apply. try prosecute someone from there :) On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 07:39, DeNiro wrote: Also consider that in both US and EU it is illegale to toy aroun dwith secured information. By hacking into the security module they are not only breaking the EULA but also breaking a much more serious law. Of course, one good successfull legal case against a cheater or cheat-maker would leave a very interesting situation afterwards. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cheaters having legality issues?
Jonathan Hodges wrote: Now here's a little quote from the Half-Life user agreement: Subject to the grant of license hereinabove, you may not, in whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on the Program, or remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Program. ...the hypocracy continues. And how does that apply to OGC given that it is based on code from the SDK which was released with the explicit permission to base code on? Care to explain? Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
