RE: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
Yup, I agree for those reason also. I see most players setting their cmdrate to either 0, -1 or something below 10. Perhaps an option to reset their config if they used something below a set number like 30. I added the following commands to my cexeclist_player.txt for mani mod. I just change their configs when I'm on. "Updaterate" cl_updaterate 40 "Cmdrate" cl_cmdrate 30 You can also add other things like, "Mute Microphone" voice_enable 0 "Change FPS" fps_max 1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:12 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request I'm not satisfied with this "lockdown". I see plenty of players that set their cmdrate to 10 and their rate to 20,000. They skip around. This may be only to players that set smooth and interpolate to 0, but that is many players. It also sets an artificial ping time that avoids high-ping kickers. For both these reasons it is an exploit in my opinion. The server should be able to set min/max values for all of these settings (rate, cmdrate, and their upstream equivalents) appropriate to what sort of gamplay they expect, without having to use third-party addons that adjust it. I'm tired of someone with a bogus ping of 5 who is impossible to hit while moving -- because they can adjust these cvars against everyone's best interest. In the end, it's just another thing -- among many -- that makes the role of admin on a public server a nuisance. -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
I'm not satisfied with this "lockdown". I see plenty of players that set their cmdrate to 10 and their rate to 20,000. They skip around. This may be only to players that set smooth and interpolate to 0, but that is many players. It also sets an artificial ping time that avoids high-ping kickers. For both these reasons it is an exploit in my opinion. The server should be able to set min/max values for all of these settings (rate, cmdrate, and their upstream equivalents) appropriate to what sort of gamplay they expect, without having to use third-party addons that adjust it. I'm tired of someone with a bogus ping of 5 who is impossible to hit while moving -- because they can adjust these cvars against everyone's best interest. In the end, it's just another thing -- among many -- that makes the role of admin on a public server a nuisance. -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
Alfred Reynolds wrote: cl_cmd is locked to a minimum value of 10 (which is about as high as you would want to go on a modem connection). - Alfred Out of interest, just how many gamers are playing HL2 on a modem connection? Surely this would be better configured as a minimum for a 512k DSL connection? Also, is it possible to cl_cmd available to the server for inspection and modification on CZ and 1.6? Cheers, Matt. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
I answered my question,, finally had a chance to jump into the game and check the cvar values myself,, so yes, if the client sets the cmd rate to below 10 it will default to 10.00 with the main default of 30. :) - Original Message - From: "Kennycom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request > So at the moment even if they set it at zero or five, it will default back > to ten right? Where the normal default was 30 right? > > SP_Kenny > > - Original Message - > From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:02 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request > > >> cl_cmd is locked to a minimum value of 10 (which is about as high as you >> would want to go on a modem connection). >> >> - Alfred >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennycom >> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:15 AM >> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request >> >> Hey Alfred, >> >> Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be made >> server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or less and >> ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I wrong to be >> concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of advantage with this, >> which could also work against them? >> >> SP_Kenny >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
So at the moment even if they set it at zero or five, it will default back to ten right? Where the normal default was 30 right? SP_Kenny - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request > cl_cmd is locked to a minimum value of 10 (which is about as high as you > would want to go on a modem connection). > > - Alfred > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennycom > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:15 AM > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request > > Hey Alfred, > > Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be made > server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or less and > ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I wrong to be > concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of advantage with this, > which could also work against them? > > SP_Kenny > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
Z Teknology G-Mail wrote: > Alfred, do you have any plans on fixing the mat_proxy command? I > think this needs to be fixed like NOW! Can anyone give a quick explanation as to what this cvar does? I hit up Google, but most of the discussions that do more than just show the cvar are in languages other than English. Does it work in both CS:S and HL2MP? -- ironchef http://www.dexworld.org/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
Hey Alfred, could you keep it in the game, but make it a cheat command that runs along with sv_cheats 1. Because a lot of people in the competitive CS:S community like the fact that they could watch suspected people with that command on. Is that possible? Zack Alfred Reynolds wrote: We have a release in testing for that. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Z Teknology G-Mail Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:15 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request Alfred, do you have any plans on fixing the mat_proxy command? I think this needs to be fixed like NOW! Zack Alfred Reynolds wrote: cl_cmd is locked to a minimum value of 10 (which is about as high as you would want to go on a modem connection). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennycom Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:15 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request Hey Alfred, Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be made server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or less and ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I wrong to be concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of advantage with this, which could also work against them? SP_Kenny ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
We have a release in testing for that. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Z Teknology G-Mail Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:15 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request Alfred, do you have any plans on fixing the mat_proxy command? I think this needs to be fixed like NOW! Zack Alfred Reynolds wrote: >cl_cmd is locked to a minimum value of 10 (which is about as high as >you would want to go on a modem connection). > >- Alfred > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennycom >Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:15 AM >To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com >Subject: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request > >Hey Alfred, > >Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be >made server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or less >and ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I wrong to >be concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of advantage with >this, which could also work against them? > >SP_Kenny > > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
Alfred, do you have any plans on fixing the mat_proxy command? I think this needs to be fixed like NOW! Zack Alfred Reynolds wrote: cl_cmd is locked to a minimum value of 10 (which is about as high as you would want to go on a modem connection). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennycom Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:15 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request Hey Alfred, Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be made server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or less and ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I wrong to be concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of advantage with this, which could also work against them? SP_Kenny ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
cl_cmd is locked to a minimum value of 10 (which is about as high as you would want to go on a modem connection). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennycom Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:15 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request Hey Alfred, Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be made server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or less and ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I wrong to be concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of advantage with this, which could also work against them? SP_Kenny ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
I would like to vote for this also. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Jones Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:24 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request Original message from Kennycom: > Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be > made server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or > less and ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I > wrong to be concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of > advantage with this, which could also work against them? I second this proposal. Players that do this skip around and are difficult to hit. They often use it to mask their real ping when it is astonishingly bad, thus bypassing auto-kickers. I have nothing against people with bad connections personally, but it really isn't fair to everyone else when they are impossible to hit because they warp around, or are able to shoot you after you have dodged behind a wall because of the latency correction "feature". We pay good money for a solid network connection specifically to avoid this kind of gameplay. In the meantime, Mani's admin plugin has the ability to run client commands. When I see someone using a ridiculous cmdrate, I set it to default values using this feature. Either the high ping kicker takes care of them after that (if they were trying to get around it), or they just leave (if they were seeking the advantage of being hard to hit). -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
but this is is disadvantage for both directions isnt it? im not sure, but if it is then its not unfair in my opinion. - Original Message - From: "Chris Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request Original message from Kennycom: Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be made server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or less and ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I wrong to be concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of advantage with this, which could also work against them? I second this proposal. Players that do this skip around and are difficult to hit. They often use it to mask their real ping when it is astonishingly bad, thus bypassing auto-kickers. I have nothing against people with bad connections personally, but it really isn't fair to everyone else when they are impossible to hit because they warp around, or are able to shoot you after you have dodged behind a wall because of the latency correction "feature". We pay good money for a solid network connection specifically to avoid this kind of gameplay. In the meantime, Mani's admin plugin has the ability to run client commands. When I see someone using a ridiculous cmdrate, I set it to default values using this feature. Either the high ping kicker takes care of them after that (if they were trying to get around it), or they just leave (if they were seeking the advantage of being hard to hit). -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Cvar Lockdown Request
Original message from Kennycom: > Can you guys make it so that the min.cvar setting for cl_cmd can be > made server side? I have seen a few players setting theirs at 5 or > less and ending up with a ping showing on the server of 5 - 7. Am I > wrong to be concerned that they are trying to gain some kind of > advantage with this, which could also work against them? I second this proposal. Players that do this skip around and are difficult to hit. They often use it to mask their real ping when it is astonishingly bad, thus bypassing auto-kickers. I have nothing against people with bad connections personally, but it really isn't fair to everyone else when they are impossible to hit because they warp around, or are able to shoot you after you have dodged behind a wall because of the latency correction "feature". We pay good money for a solid network connection specifically to avoid this kind of gameplay. In the meantime, Mani's admin plugin has the ability to run client commands. When I see someone using a ridiculous cmdrate, I set it to default values using this feature. Either the high ping kicker takes care of them after that (if they were trying to get around it), or they just leave (if they were seeking the advantage of being hard to hit). -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
