Re: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[m0gely]

Eric (Deacon) wrote:
>>Are you sure it's a K6-3 at 550Mhz?  IIRC, AMD's
>>fastest K6-3 was 450Mhz.
>
>
> I don't believe that's correct.
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he is right:
K5 - 75~166MHz (PR)
K6 - 166~300MHz
K62 - 266~550MHz
K63 - 400~450MHz
Source (toms hardware guide, cpu history)

As for the original question, you should be able to run a server on
that.  You will just have to play with the number of player connections
and keep add-ons to a minimum.  You got the box so give it a try.  If
you fond you can't do it then you still gained the learning experience.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[Pramod Venugopal]

In my opinion if you want a server to hold more than 10-12 people get a fast cpu and 
lots of RAM. I run a CS server on a dual PIII 800 with a gig of memory and it worked 
great. I also run a Quake3 server on the same machine as well and it works great for 
20 people ( 20 per server ).

If your machines specs arent up to par, you will start getting spikes and high choke. 
If you really want a good dedicated server people come to cause of ping I would 
suggest a good machine.

If you have the $ check these guys out. They make good rackmount systems and I plan on 
purchasing one from them ( The dual Xeons ). http://www.pogolinux.com

dvNuLL

On (21/08/02 03:30), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:30:19 -0500
>
> In my previous post, I excluded the mobile versions, as it appeared the
> original poster was referring to a desktop system, not a laptop.  The
> "embedded" version is essentially the same part as the laptop version, but
> with features (or lack of features) for embedded realtime applications (i.e.
> set top box stuff).
>
> Again, the desktop K6-3 (AMD K6 model 9) was only made in 2 frequencies,
> 400Mhz and 450Mhz.
>
> Now, it's possible that some odd ball manufacturer produced a desktop mobo
> that utilized the laptop K6-3 mobile, but if so, I've never heard of such a
> thing.
>
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> >
> > Ok, I did find this page:
> >
> > http://www.sandpile.org/impl/k6.htm
> >
> > 550 MHz: 15.70 W (embedded K6-III+ @ 2.0 V) hmmm Embedded eh?
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RE: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[Stan]

In my previous post, I excluded the mobile versions, as it appeared the
original poster was referring to a desktop system, not a laptop.  The
"embedded" version is essentially the same part as the laptop version, but
with features (or lack of features) for embedded realtime applications (i.e.
set top box stuff).

Again, the desktop K6-3 (AMD K6 model 9) was only made in 2 frequencies,
400Mhz and 450Mhz.

Now, it's possible that some odd ball manufacturer produced a desktop mobo
that utilized the laptop K6-3 mobile, but if so, I've never heard of such a
thing.

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> -Original Message-
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>
>
> Ok, I did find this page:
>
> http://www.sandpile.org/impl/k6.htm
>
> 550 MHz: 15.70 W (embedded K6-III+ @ 2.0 V) hmmm Embedded eh?
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[wspigel]

I actually RAN a server using a K6-2 550 with 160mb RAM.  I can tell you
that it ran a 10 player CS 1.2 server like a champ.  When CS 1.3 came out it
really started to choke due to the model blending technology (I assume).
So I would say that a K6-2 550 couldn't run a 12 player server but might be
fine with 10 or lower players if you don't use the bloated maps like
de_chateau or de_storm, etc.

On another note, I've since upgraded my server to a DuronMP 1Ghz system and
it runs SO much smoother.  I also run Apache, Messageboards, Stats and more
and the server rarely uses more then 10% CPU, fully loaded.  I still keep my
server set to 10 player +1 slot because I believe teams of more then 5-6 per
side is chaos, not teamwork.


>
> It was a K6-III 550 MHz with 128 MB RAM running Gentoo Linux. Can it make
> the grade, or should I just give up leave the servers to others?
>
> -Rob
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RE: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[Brad Schulteis]

Ok, I did find this page:

http://www.sandpile.org/impl/k6.htm

550 MHz: 15.70 W (embedded K6-III+ @ 2.0 V) hmmm Embedded eh?

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RE: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[DaiTengu]

I'm running a P III 550, with 256MB RAM (a 12 person server) as well as
a website (only about 1000 hits a day) in PHP, and a mailserver that
handles all the mail from this list, as well as BugTraq, and a few other
active lists for myself.

I think it should handle 12 people just fine :)


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert
Silge
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

OK, so my brilliant MacOSX idea won't work. Sadness. So what about
rebuilding my old replaced PC to be a headless CS Server? How much oomph
does it take in the processing department to run a server well? I was
expecting most of the number crunching to be done on the client end, but
it
seems as if FPS may depend a large amount on the server as well.

It was a K6-III 550 MHz with 128 MB RAM running Gentoo Linux. Can it
make
the grade, or should I just give up leave the servers to others?

-Rob

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RE: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[Stan]

> I don't believe that's correct.
>
> --
> Eric (the Deacon remix)

It is correct.

This came up on one of the two lists before, and I know I pointed to a link
at AMD with the info (read:  Eric should have seen it ;).  I can't find that
exact page again, but here are some I did find:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_1260_1288^9
52,00.html

From:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_1260_1288^1
022~1515,00.html#1543
we have this:

"Q: What AMD-K6 -III processors are available now?

A: AMD-K6 -III processor-based systems are available now at a clock speeds
of 400-MHz and 450-MHz. AMD-K6-III processor-based PCs are available from
leading PC manufactures, retailers, distributers, and resellers around the
world."

>From my system integration experience in '99, and all my reading on AMD's
site, history shows that the K6-3 (not the mobile K6-3) was only ever
produced in two frequencies, which were 400Mhz and 450Mhz.  Any K6 at a
frequency above or below this is a K6 or K6-2, and definitely NOT a K6-3.

The only doc listing all the K6-3 steppings I can find is a PDF, so I'll
just paste the relevant parts here:
http://www.hardwarefreak.com/hlds/amdk6-3.jpg

Now, anyone else still want to argue about what speed K6-3s were produced?
If so, do the research as I did, and prove it.

Thx.

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>
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> > Are you sure it's a K6-3 at 550Mhz?  IIRC, AMD's
> > fastest K6-3 was 450Mhz.
>
> I don't believe that's correct.
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[TigerFox]

K6-2 is up to 500Mhz.  there is also K6-2 500A Mhz where it is the only
model that has a builtin L2 Cache.  im not just sure about its size.  K6-3
starts and ends at 550Mhz. Socket7 as for its architecture, it is not design
to reach 600Mhz or even 550Mhz! and Athlon was born using SocketA and
Pentium III Using Slot1

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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.


> Are you sure it's a K6-3 at 550Mhz?  IIRC, AMD's fastest K6-3 was 450Mhz.
> The K6-3 has 256KB on die L2 cache.  The K6-2 has no on die L2.  The K6-2
> was made at higher frequencies than the K6-3, but was painfully slow due
to
> L2 cache being on the mobo, not the CPU.
>
> If it's a K6-2 550, your performance will be ~30% lower than a P3 550.
>
> StanTheMan
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> http://www.hardwarefreak.com
> rcon admin at:
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>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Silge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:23 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.
> >
> >
> > OK, so my brilliant MacOSX idea won't work. Sadness. So what about
> > rebuilding my old replaced PC to be a headless CS Server? How
> > much oomph
> > does it take in the processing department to run a server well? I was
> > expecting most of the number crunching to be done on the
> > client end, but it
> > seems as if FPS may depend a large amount on the server as well.
> >
> > It was a K6-III 550 MHz with 128 MB RAM running Gentoo Linux.
> > Can it make
> > the grade, or should I just give up leave the servers to others?
> >
> > -Rob
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RE: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[Eric (Deacon)]

> Are you sure it's a K6-3 at 550Mhz?  IIRC, AMD's
> fastest K6-3 was 450Mhz.

I don't believe that's correct.

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RE: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[Stan]

Are you sure it's a K6-3 at 550Mhz?  IIRC, AMD's fastest K6-3 was 450Mhz.
The K6-3 has 256KB on die L2 cache.  The K6-2 has no on die L2.  The K6-2
was made at higher frequencies than the K6-3, but was painfully slow due to
L2 cache being on the mobo, not the CPU.

If it's a K6-2 550, your performance will be ~30% lower than a P3 550.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Silge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.
>
>
> OK, so my brilliant MacOSX idea won't work. Sadness. So what about
> rebuilding my old replaced PC to be a headless CS Server? How
> much oomph
> does it take in the processing department to run a server well? I was
> expecting most of the number crunching to be done on the
> client end, but it
> seems as if FPS may depend a large amount on the server as well.
>
> It was a K6-III 550 MHz with 128 MB RAM running Gentoo Linux.
> Can it make
> the grade, or should I just give up leave the servers to others?
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Minimum hardware to run well.

[Jeremy Brooking]

I know from experience a PIII 550 128meg ram runs a 16player server
(with udpsoft pingboost) very well. Once i go over 16, it starts to chug
a bit.

On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 14:23, Robert Silge wrote:
> OK, so my brilliant MacOSX idea won't work. Sadness. So what about
> rebuilding my old replaced PC to be a headless CS Server? How much oomph
> does it take in the processing department to run a server well? I was
> expecting most of the number crunching to be done on the client end, but it
> seems as if FPS may depend a large amount on the server as well.
>
> It was a K6-III 550 MHz with 128 MB RAM running Gentoo Linux. Can it make
> the grade, or should I just give up leave the servers to others?
>
> -Rob
>
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