Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting

2005-12-08 Thread Martin Zwickel 
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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:47:02 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> bubbled:

> The "problem" is as follows ... uhm ... first i'll try to explain the
> foretime behaviour:
>
> We already had three processes in one server:
>
> First proc.: we launched a screen to attach and detach the console
> Second proc.: srcds_run was fired up by screen
> Third proc.: the main process: srcds_amd was fired up by the srcds_run
> script due to the detection auf the processor architecture.
>
> Quite simple to boost the main process using "renice" to get a higher
> process priority.
>
> From now on something has changed to get five processes:
>
> First proc.: we launched a screen to attach and detach the console
> Second proc.: srcds_run was fired up by screen
> Third proc.: one of three main processes: srcds_amd was fired up by
> the srcds_run script due to the detection auf the processor
> architecture. Fourth proc.: fired up by third proc. ... don't know
> why and what ... it's a real process, not only a "thread"
> Fifth proc.: fired up by fourth proc. ... don't know why and what ...
> it's a real process, not only a "thread"
>
> I don't know which process to "renice" ... that's the problem.

What about nice?! Like set prio of -10:
nice -n -10 ./srcds_run ...
That whould give also the childs the prio.

Another way:
ps + grep + sed, or awk...

So there is no real problem if you know the power of linux/unix!


Martin

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Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting

2005-12-08 Thread glenn 
The "problem" is as follows ... uhm ... first i'll try to explain the
foretime behaviour:

We already had three processes in one server:

First proc.: we launched a screen to attach and detach the console
Second proc.: srcds_run was fired up by screen
Third proc.: the main process: srcds_amd was fired up by the srcds_run
script due to the detection auf the processor architecture.

Quite simple to boost the main process using "renice" to get a higher
process priority.

>From now on something has changed to get five processes:

First proc.: we launched a screen to attach and detach the console
Second proc.: srcds_run was fired up by screen
Third proc.: one of three main processes: srcds_amd was fired up by the
srcds_run script due to the detection auf the processor architecture.
Fourth proc.: fired up by third proc. ... don't know why and what ... it's a
real process, not only a "thread"
Fifth proc.: fired up by fourth proc. ... don't know why and what ... it's a
real process, not only a "thread"

I don't know which process to "renice" ... that's the problem.

- Original Message -
> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:09:42 +0100
> From: Martin Zwickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
> Organization: Technotrend AG
> Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>
>
> What's the problem with 3 processes??
> I don't get the point!



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Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting

2005-12-08 Thread Martin Zwickel 
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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:59 +0100
"Manuel Mausz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> bubbled:

> ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac.
> the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread
> which comes up as soon as you fire up a thread.

libc thread? WTF? There is no libc thread...

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RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting

2005-12-07 Thread Gary 

fbsd will always display threads.. i don't think core@ will allow a
change in that behavior. :)

At 12:08 AM 12/8/2005, Alfred Reynolds wrote:

The number of srcds entries returned by tools such as "ps" depends on
the details of your kernel and threading library. SRCDS runs 2 threads,
a main thread for all the game processing and a separate Steam
communications thread. Most pthread implementations use a kernel process
per thread, and internally use one process (thread) for internal thread
management. So for srcds this would show up as 3 processes per game
server instance. Other OS's (FreeBSD?) and newer kernels may change this
threading model to not represent threads as full processes.

- Alfred

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm not sure if threads are visible as processes.
>
> This behaviour of multiple (three) processes is completely new and is
> not concerning each and every srcds installation.
>
> As far as i understand (after viewing the board threads in valve's
> forum) it
> seems to be an issue regarding to the installed linux version.
>
> I'm quite sure i had only one process in the foretime ... despite to
> the
> VAC2 launch.
>
> Cheers, Glenn.
>
> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Manuel Mausz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
>> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:59 +0100
>> Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>>
>> ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac.
>> the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread
>> which
> comes up as soon as you fire up a thread.
>>
>> manuel
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:05 AM
>>> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>>> Subject: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>> --
>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>>> Alread posted in steam forum:
>>> --->
>
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374038
>>> --->
>
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=375796
>>>
>>> Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc
>>> 2.3.2.
>>>
>>> Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only
>>> one.
> RCON quit will close all three processes. Next
>>> start will fire them up again.
>>>
>>> Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of
>>> second.
>>>
>>> Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is
>>> enough and
> will not waste computing power.
>>> --
>
>
>
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RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting

2005-12-07 Thread Alfred Reynolds 
The number of srcds entries returned by tools such as "ps" depends on
the details of your kernel and threading library. SRCDS runs 2 threads,
a main thread for all the game processing and a separate Steam
communications thread. Most pthread implementations use a kernel process
per thread, and internally use one process (thread) for internal thread
management. So for srcds this would show up as 3 processes per game
server instance. Other OS's (FreeBSD?) and newer kernels may change this
threading model to not represent threads as full processes.

- Alfred

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm not sure if threads are visible as processes.
>
> This behaviour of multiple (three) processes is completely new and is
> not concerning each and every srcds installation.
>
> As far as i understand (after viewing the board threads in valve's
> forum) it
> seems to be an issue regarding to the installed linux version.
>
> I'm quite sure i had only one process in the foretime ... despite to
> the
> VAC2 launch.
>
> Cheers, Glenn.
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Manuel Mausz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
>> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:59 +0100
>> Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>>
>> ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac.
>> the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread
>> which
> comes up as soon as you fire up a thread.
>>
>> manuel
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:05 AM
>>> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>>> Subject: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>> --
>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>>> Alread posted in steam forum:
>>> --->
>
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374038
>>> --->
>
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=375796
>>>
>>> Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc
>>> 2.3.2.
>>>
>>> Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only
>>> one.
> RCON quit will close all three processes. Next
>>> start will fire them up again.
>>>
>>> Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of
>>> second.
>>>
>>> Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is
>>> enough and
> will not waste computing power.
>>> --
>
>
>
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RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting

2005-12-07 Thread glenn 
I'm not sure if threads are visible as processes.

This behaviour of multiple (three) processes is completely new and is not
concerning each and every srcds installation.

As far as i understand (after viewing the board threads in valve's forum) it
seems to be an issue regarding to the installed linux version.

I'm quite sure i had only one process in the foretime ... despite to the
VAC2 launch.

Cheers, Glenn.

- Original Message -
> From: "Manuel Mausz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:59 +0100
> Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>
> ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac.
> the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread which
comes up as soon as you fire up a thread.
>
> manuel
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:05 AM
> > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> > Subject: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
> >
> >
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > Alread posted in steam forum:
> > --->
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374038
> > --->
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=375796
> >
> > Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc
2.3.2.
> >
> > Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one.
RCON quit will close all three processes. Next
> > start will fire them up again.
> >
> > Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second.
> >
> > Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and
will not waste computing power.
> > --



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Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting

2005-12-07 Thread JCHost.net - Support 

Every single hlds1 server I ahve ever ran takes 3 process ID's including
the screen I run it on.

JC

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Alread posted in steam forum:
---> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374038
---> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=375796

Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc 2.3.2.

Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one. RCON quit 
will close all three processes. Next start will fire them up again.

Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second.

Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and will 
not waste computing power.
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RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting

2005-12-07 Thread Manuel Mausz 
ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac.
the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread which comes 
up as soon as you fire up a thread.

manuel

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:05 AM
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
>
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Alread posted in steam forum:
> ---> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374038
> ---> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=375796
>
> Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc 2.3.2.
>
> Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one. RCON 
> quit will close all three processes. Next
> start will fire them up again.
>
> Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second.
>
> Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and will 
> not waste computing power.
> --
>
>
>
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