RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
guys, stop please ->-Original Message- ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eric ->(Deacon) ->Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:43 AM ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 -> -> ->> You see it as a unit, I'm seeing it as individuals... take bands, for ->> instance: ->> ->> Metallica tell us ->> Genesis tell us ->> SlipKnot tell us -> ->All incorrect. -> ->-- ->Eric (the Deacon remix) -> ->___ ->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list ->archives, please visit: ->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
Guys, geez! Let's focus on the real problem out there! Ain't! Ain't ain't a work and you ain't gonna use it, say ain't 5 times and you ain't gonna go to heaven!!! And l337? WTF is that? L337 is teh ghey I know we can all be egotistical about server stuff, but gramm0r? (Sigh) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
> You see it as a unit, I'm seeing it as individuals... take bands, for > instance: > > Metallica tell us > Genesis tell us > SlipKnot tell us All incorrect. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
> Eh... > > New world, new culture, new jargon, uh ? > > Anyway, stable sounds SO MUCH BETTER, doesn't it ? > > "What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest BETA." > > while > > "What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest STABLE." > > Ok. That's marketing. But - IRL - confuses us a little bit. > Actually, Beta versions TECHNICALLY fix any bugs that are in the 'Stable' release. Usually Beta versions introduce new 'features' as well. However in this instance, they do not (at least, that I'm aware of) Valve's Server-Betas, generally are bug-fixes from the last full release, since introducing any more features, would require a client update as well. I'd stick with running whatever the latest 'beta' is. > > At 08:01 AM 11/22/2002, you wrote: > >In HLDS parlance, beta == the version you're expected to run if you want > it > >to work properly. I'm not sure why they don't just eventually upgrade its > >status to 'stable', but usually the actual latest 'stable' version that > you > >_need_ to run is still termed a beta. > > > >-- trog > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
Eric (Deacon) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, but that's complete crap. Go take that in front of any middle > school English teacher and see what they have to say about it. > > "IBM tell us..." > "Microsoft tell us..." > "KFC tell us..." > > That's just so not right :) > Actually they're perfectly correct. Can we drop this thread now? :) -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: some perspective was RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
It's quite amusing to think that despite what many people think there is
only 1 Gaming genre that recieves more
support from the game devolopers than Half-Life has seen and that are those
who are publishing and running
Massive multiplayer games with subscription services.
I deeply appriciate the effort Valve has put into Half-Life these past 3
years and their ongoing support to the
gaming community. Without it Half-Life would have died a long time ago.
So to valve I say SALUT! Great work Valve and I hope this will continue..
ps. I don't know about the rest of you but if Valve publishes a game I'm
mildly interesting in I'm buying it.
(I normally don't buy games unless I'm very interested)
Kveðja / Regards
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on the contrary, I would imagine they label any release as beta if it is
released seperately between major releases, which, amazingly, wait for it,
makes sense. I have been using the latest beta servers since they were
released, and have not had a single issue. There IS a difference between
beta, and UNstable
I dont understand the attitudes over meaningless, petty stuff on this list.
Valve is getting the job done, and doing everything within reason to take
care of issues as they come up. It is not like they can pull everything
out
of their hats on the drop of a dime.
this, unfortunately is the way it is. I dont see any reason to get so
worked up over this crap. It only raises your bloodpressure a couple
notches, and in the end is meaningless.
lets get a grip guys. for example, the vegas issue with people dissapearing
in certain places due to map flaws. As someone who knows what they are
talking about, this is NOT something that valve can likely fix at the drop
of the hat. More likely, it is something that would be needed to be fixed
within the map itself. If so, then a fix would only be able to be
distributed with a new release, and that if its easily fixable, which,
going
on my experience with bsp flaws, probably isnt. Therefor, it probably
isn't
worth it for valve to put a lot of effort into possibly reworking a lot of
a
map that is hardly even played relatively speaking. And hey, I enjoy
vegas, but still, its not worth getting worked up about. If they can fix
it, im sure they will, within reason. They have indicated they are aware
of
the issue, and as far as Im concerned, thats enough.
I think that valve has gone above and beyond over the years. Sure, it was
in their best interest, but its still way more than 98% of what other game
developers have ever bothered to do, best interest or not.
kev
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->Eh...
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->New world, new culture, new jargon, uh ?
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->Anyway, stable sounds SO MUCH BETTER, doesn't it ?
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->"What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest STABLE."
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->Ok. That's marketing. But - IRL - confuses us a little bit.
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some perspective was RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
on the contrary, I would imagine they label any release as beta if it is released seperately between major releases, which, amazingly, wait for it, makes sense. I have been using the latest beta servers since they were released, and have not had a single issue. There IS a difference between beta, and UNstable I dont understand the attitudes over meaningless, petty stuff on this list. Valve is getting the job done, and doing everything within reason to take care of issues as they come up. It is not like they can pull everything out of their hats on the drop of a dime. this, unfortunately is the way it is. I dont see any reason to get so worked up over this crap. It only raises your bloodpressure a couple notches, and in the end is meaningless. lets get a grip guys. for example, the vegas issue with people dissapearing in certain places due to map flaws. As someone who knows what they are talking about, this is NOT something that valve can likely fix at the drop of the hat. More likely, it is something that would be needed to be fixed within the map itself. If so, then a fix would only be able to be distributed with a new release, and that if its easily fixable, which, going on my experience with bsp flaws, probably isnt. Therefor, it probably isn't worth it for valve to put a lot of effort into possibly reworking a lot of a map that is hardly even played relatively speaking. And hey, I enjoy vegas, but still, its not worth getting worked up about. If they can fix it, im sure they will, within reason. They have indicated they are aware of the issue, and as far as Im concerned, thats enough. I think that valve has gone above and beyond over the years. Sure, it was in their best interest, but its still way more than 98% of what other game developers have ever bothered to do, best interest or not. kev ->-Original Message- ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Capriotti ->Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:15 AM ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 -> -> ->Eh... -> ->New world, new culture, new jargon, uh ? -> ->Anyway, stable sounds SO MUCH BETTER, doesn't it ? -> ->"What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest BETA." -> ->while -> ->"What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest STABLE." -> ->Ok. That's marketing. But - IRL - confuses us a little bit. -> -> ->At 08:01 AM 11/22/2002, you wrote: ->>In HLDS parlance, beta == the version you're expected to run if ->you want it ->>to work properly. I'm not sure why they don't just eventually upgrade its ->>status to 'stable', but usually the actual latest 'stable' ->version that you ->>_need_ to run is still termed a beta. ->> ->>-- trog -> ->___ ->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list ->archives, please visit: ->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
Eh... New world, new culture, new jargon, uh ? Anyway, stable sounds SO MUCH BETTER, doesn't it ? "What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest BETA." while "What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest STABLE." Ok. That's marketing. But - IRL - confuses us a little bit. At 08:01 AM 11/22/2002, you wrote: In HLDS parlance, beta == the version you're expected to run if you want it to work properly. I'm not sure why they don't just eventually upgrade its status to 'stable', but usually the actual latest 'stable' version that you _need_ to run is still termed a beta. -- trog ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
In HLDS parlance, beta == the version you're expected to run if you want it to work properly. I'm not sure why they don't just eventually upgrade its status to 'stable', but usually the actual latest 'stable' version that you _need_ to run is still termed a beta. -- trog - Original Message - From: "Capriotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 > Second time I hear this remark. > > Only ONE thought here : BETA is not -STABLE, and it may contain bugs and > instabilities. Whenever a BETA is considered good, then it should become > the new stable, superseding the previous stable. It sounds to be it is not > exactly the way it works here. (okokok... This is BSD philosophy). > > I'd rather have something considered stable on my box - which SHOULD BE > something known good - than having something considered "work in progress; > mind your head !". > > I am reluctant to install this beta server. Additionally, in the past, all > the username/password to beta FTP I've found on the archives were invalid. > > Another comment: When I got back to my server, after a day being away, I > found the server empty. Strange... Then I decided to play a bit and started > my connection. Surprise, surprise... the old and good error (bad character > from client or something) was happening once again ! I did not even need to > go check my mail to know that a new security patch was released. > > > > > At 07:28 PM 11/21/2002, you wrote: > >Linux server? > > > >Download the latest beta server, the link is somewhere in the list > >archives. > > > >Otherwise, restart the server. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
I don't agree. We, as admins, have to let them know what is a major problem/desire. (specially the aimbots issue; it's annoying). In the modern industry this is called priority based on customer feedback. Without customer feedback companies use to do nasty and stupid things. Please, keep sending your comments. DO NOT shut up. At 07:42 PM 11/21/2002, you wrote: > Valve tell us what we need to know, deal with it. Valve *tells* us what we need to know, leave them in peace and they will get there faster. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
Second time I hear this remark. Only ONE thought here : BETA is not -STABLE, and it may contain bugs and instabilities. Whenever a BETA is considered good, then it should become the new stable, superseding the previous stable. It sounds to be it is not exactly the way it works here. (okokok... This is BSD philosophy). I'd rather have something considered stable on my box - which SHOULD BE something known good - than having something considered "work in progress; mind your head !". I am reluctant to install this beta server. Additionally, in the past, all the username/password to beta FTP I've found on the archives were invalid. Another comment: When I got back to my server, after a day being away, I found the server empty. Strange... Then I decided to play a bit and started my connection. Surprise, surprise... the old and good error (bad character from client or something) was happening once again ! I did not even need to go check my mail to know that a new security patch was released. At 07:28 PM 11/21/2002, you wrote: Linux server? Download the latest beta server, the link is somewhere in the list archives. Otherwise, restart the server. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [OT] Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
Thus spaketh [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> on : : Subject: RE: [OT] Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 :: Then again, The group of people *tell* us : : Jesus, man... That's a big negative. The group of people : *tells* us. A group is a singular entity, alright? That's just : how it is. Here are just a few references. Can we end this now? If you want more, go to Google and type in "subject-verb agreement" and find a reference that suits you. http://uwc.tamu.edu/handouts/grammar/svagree.html (scroll to #6)http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslsubverb.html (#10) http://www.wisc.edu/writing/Handbook/SubjectVerb.html (When a collective noun is used) : The guy made a typo. Someone corrected him on it : (unnecessarily, I might add). He tried to defend his typo. : And now we have people trying to convince others that "the : group tell us". Someone pointed out his typo, I defended it (and a typo it most likely was), but I was doing so to be an ass. I should've known better. The original author is blameless. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
Thus spaketh [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> on : : Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 : :: Valve tell us what we need to know, deal with it. : : Valve *tells* us what we need to know, leave them in peace and : they will get there faster. Actually, if we're going to pick nits about it, either could be correct, depending on how you would like to refer to Valve (either as a group of countable individuals "tell," or as a collective "tells"). So, nyah. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
On Friday 22 November 2002 00:58, Kevin J. Anderson wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rene Luckow > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 > > On Thursday 21 November 2002 23:21, sebastian wrote: > > de_vegas isn't one of the greatest maps anyway .. it's up to the map > > maker to fix the problem as it's not happening to any other maps .. > > Heh, okay... I didn't know that... but thanks for the headsup, both from > you guys and from Valve :) ppl magically dissapear different places on the map -- Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rene Luckow Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 On Thursday 21 November 2002 23:21, sebastian wrote: > de_vegas isn't one of the greatest maps anyway .. it's up to the map maker > to fix the problem as it's not happening to any other maps .. > Heh, okay... I didn't know that... but thanks for the headsup, both from you guys and from Valve :) -- Insert clever remark here ___ what is the issue with vegas anyways??? I haven't been on a server with it lately. kev ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
On Thursday 21 November 2002 23:21, sebastian wrote: > de_vegas isn't one of the greatest maps anyway .. it's up to the map maker > to fix the problem as it's not happening to any other maps .. > Heh, okay... I didn't know that... but thanks for the headsup, both from you guys and from Valve :) -- Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
what he said. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Clark Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 > Ah ... That's it? Any new cheat detections, say for ak ? How about some > aimbot detection ? Can you speak to the status of these at all? Thx Eric. Why does everyone insist on asking the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over. Valve tell us what we need to know, deal with it. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
> Valve tell us what we need to know, deal with it. Valve *tells* us what we need to know, leave them in peace and they will get there faster. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
Linux server? Download the latest beta server, the link is somewhere in the list archives. Otherwise, restart the server. Mike Miller ICQ:30705948 War Ensemble Online (war-ensemble.com) War Ensemble BBS(telnet://bbs.war-ensemble.com) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jay Anstiss > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 > > Hmm...I thought I noticed that the modules had been updated as it said so > on > the screen when the next map was loading. But for some reason myself and > friends have not been able to join the server since it updated which is > worrying - we've not had this problem before. > > Jay. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
Rene said: > I gather you will post when you fix the issues with de_vegas right? Are we certain that it's Valve that has to deal with this problem, or should it be down to the map's creator?! Jay. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
de_vegas isn't one of the greatest maps anyway .. it's up to the map maker to fix the problem as it's not happening to any other maps .. Cheers -Sebastian - Original Message - From: "Rene Luckow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21 > I gather you will post when you fix the issues with de_vegas right? > > -- > Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
