RE: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-21 Thread Martin Nicholls
Somebody linked me http://www.nsevens.com/uploads/tf2commands.txt earlier,
seems to have.. Everything.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Theo Macris
> Sent: 21 September 2007 08:47
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line
>
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> I would love if someone would post the contents of their server.cfg
> All's I have in mine is hostname and rcon password. :{
> I am new to the game so I dont even know what the cvars I see in HLSW
> are
> controlling.
> Anyway if anyone has a good working cfg, be a pal and post some of the
> goodies and what they do.
> -Theo
>
> On 9/20/07, Jon Swope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > I am having the same problems here.  I have tried all combinations of
> file
> > permissions and ownership I can think of.  I made the file a very
> simple
> > one
> > to just set a known tf2 convar to a default setting, to remove the
> > possibility of a malformed file from the mix.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > On 9/20/07, Drew Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Strange, I'm using the same -exec filename.cfg, but every time I
> start
> > > the server I get:
> > > exec:couldn't exec filename.cfg
> > >
> > > I even threw in the absolute path. Any help? Here's my "script":
> > >
> > > #!/bin/bash
> > >
> > > cd /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox
> > >
> > > screen -S tf2 ./srcds_run -console -game tf -hostport 27015 +exec
> > > /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox/tf2_config.cfg
> > > +maxplayers 20
> > >
> > > Any tips? The path is correct, and the file has read permissions.
> Even
> > > set it to execute permissions, still didn't work...
> > >
> > > On 9/20/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --
> > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > > forget my question, +exec server.cfg was all that was needed.
> > > >
> > > > On 9/21/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone, [joined this list an hour ago]
> > > > >
> > > > > I just got my CSS/DoDS/FF server running TF2 and
> > > > > 1. you gotta run the srcds_run file in /maindir/orangebox/ now
> > instead
> > > of
> > > > > /maindir/
> > > > > 2. at least thats what I did and it ran, if we need to copy the
> new
> > > srcds
> > > > > files over the old, please tell us
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. what file is being accepted as the config file? any
> sv_hostname
> > > setting
> > > > > in valve.rc and a new config.cfg or autoexec.cfg didnt get
> accepted
> > in
> > > > > /maindir/orangebox/cfg/
> > > > >
> > > > > kind regards,
> > > > > eagle
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pretty much the same
> > > > > >
> > > > > > here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the
> css
> > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just
> run it
> > > like
> > > > > > > css with a different -game command?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you. =)
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-21 Thread LouLou Bizou
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server cfg still the same as other source games !

just chek essentials cvars with command: cvarlist

exemple: cvarlist mp (print all mp cvars)

do "cvarlist ?" for more infos !

etc ...

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2007/9/21, Theo Macris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> I would love if someone would post the contents of their server.cfg
> All's I have in mine is hostname and rcon password. :{
> I am new to the game so I dont even know what the cvars I see in HLSW are
> controlling.
> Anyway if anyone has a good working cfg, be a pal and post some of the
> goodies and what they do.
> -Theo
>
> On 9/20/07, Jon Swope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > I am having the same problems here.  I have tried all combinations of
> file
> > permissions and ownership I can think of.  I made the file a very simple
> > one
> > to just set a known tf2 convar to a default setting, to remove the
> > possibility of a malformed file from the mix.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > On 9/20/07, Drew Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Strange, I'm using the same -exec filename.cfg, but every time I start
> > > the server I get:
> > > exec:couldn't exec filename.cfg
> > >
> > > I even threw in the absolute path. Any help? Here's my "script":
> > >
> > > #!/bin/bash
> > >
> > > cd /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox
> > >
> > > screen -S tf2 ./srcds_run -console -game tf -hostport 27015 +exec
> > > /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox/tf2_config.cfg
> > > +maxplayers 20
> > >
> > > Any tips? The path is correct, and the file has read permissions. Even
> > > set it to execute permissions, still didn't work...
> > >
> > > On 9/20/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --
> > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > > forget my question, +exec server.cfg was all that was needed.
> > > >
> > > > On 9/21/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone, [joined this list an hour ago]
> > > > >
> > > > > I just got my CSS/DoDS/FF server running TF2 and
> > > > > 1. you gotta run the srcds_run file in /maindir/orangebox/ now
> > instead
> > > of
> > > > > /maindir/
> > > > > 2. at least thats what I did and it ran, if we need to copy the
> new
> > > srcds
> > > > > files over the old, please tell us
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. what file is being accepted as the config file? any sv_hostname
> > > setting
> > > > > in valve.rc and a new config.cfg or autoexec.cfg didnt get
> accepted
> > in
> > > > > /maindir/orangebox/cfg/
> > > > >
> > > > > kind regards,
> > > > > eagle
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pretty much the same
> > > > > >
> > > > > > here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css
> > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just run
> it
> > > like
> > > > > > > css with a different -game command?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you. =)
> > > > > > >
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-21 Thread Theo Macris
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I would love if someone would post the contents of their server.cfg
All's I have in mine is hostname and rcon password. :{
I am new to the game so I dont even know what the cvars I see in HLSW are
controlling.
Anyway if anyone has a good working cfg, be a pal and post some of the
goodies and what they do.
-Theo

On 9/20/07, Jon Swope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> I am having the same problems here.  I have tried all combinations of file
> permissions and ownership I can think of.  I made the file a very simple
> one
> to just set a known tf2 convar to a default setting, to remove the
> possibility of a malformed file from the mix.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> On 9/20/07, Drew Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Strange, I'm using the same -exec filename.cfg, but every time I start
> > the server I get:
> > exec:couldn't exec filename.cfg
> >
> > I even threw in the absolute path. Any help? Here's my "script":
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> >
> > cd /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox
> >
> > screen -S tf2 ./srcds_run -console -game tf -hostport 27015 +exec
> > /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox/tf2_config.cfg
> > +maxplayers 20
> >
> > Any tips? The path is correct, and the file has read permissions. Even
> > set it to execute permissions, still didn't work...
> >
> > On 9/20/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > forget my question, +exec server.cfg was all that was needed.
> > >
> > > On 9/21/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone, [joined this list an hour ago]
> > > >
> > > > I just got my CSS/DoDS/FF server running TF2 and
> > > > 1. you gotta run the srcds_run file in /maindir/orangebox/ now
> instead
> > of
> > > > /maindir/
> > > > 2. at least thats what I did and it ran, if we need to copy the new
> > srcds
> > > > files over the old, please tell us
> > > >
> > > > 3. what file is being accepted as the config file? any sv_hostname
> > setting
> > > > in valve.rc and a new config.cfg or autoexec.cfg didnt get accepted
> in
> > > > /maindir/orangebox/cfg/
> > > >
> > > > kind regards,
> > > > eagle
> > > >
> > > > On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > pretty much the same
> > > > >
> > > > > here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css
> one.
> > > > >
> > > > > srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14
> > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just run it
> > like
> > > > > > css with a different -game command?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you. =)
> > > > > >
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread Jon Swope
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I am having the same problems here.  I have tried all combinations of file
permissions and ownership I can think of.  I made the file a very simple one
to just set a known tf2 convar to a default setting, to remove the
possibility of a malformed file from the mix.

Anyone have any ideas?

On 9/20/07, Drew Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Strange, I'm using the same -exec filename.cfg, but every time I start
> the server I get:
> exec:couldn't exec filename.cfg
>
> I even threw in the absolute path. Any help? Here's my "script":
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> cd /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox
>
> screen -S tf2 ./srcds_run -console -game tf -hostport 27015 +exec
> /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox/tf2_config.cfg
> +maxplayers 20
>
> Any tips? The path is correct, and the file has read permissions. Even
> set it to execute permissions, still didn't work...
>
> On 9/20/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > forget my question, +exec server.cfg was all that was needed.
> >
> > On 9/21/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone, [joined this list an hour ago]
> > >
> > > I just got my CSS/DoDS/FF server running TF2 and
> > > 1. you gotta run the srcds_run file in /maindir/orangebox/ now instead
> of
> > > /maindir/
> > > 2. at least thats what I did and it ran, if we need to copy the new
> srcds
> > > files over the old, please tell us
> > >
> > > 3. what file is being accepted as the config file? any sv_hostname
> setting
> > > in valve.rc and a new config.cfg or autoexec.cfg didnt get accepted in
> > > /maindir/orangebox/cfg/
> > >
> > > kind regards,
> > > eagle
> > >
> > > On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > pretty much the same
> > > >
> > > > here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css one.
> > > >
> > > > srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14
> > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just run it
> like
> > > > > css with a different -game command?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you. =)
> > > > >
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread Drew Kirkpatrick
Strange, I'm using the same -exec filename.cfg, but every time I start
the server I get:
exec:couldn't exec filename.cfg

I even threw in the absolute path. Any help? Here's my "script":

#!/bin/bash

cd /home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox

screen -S tf2 ./srcds_run -console -game tf -hostport 27015 +exec
/home/serverUser/source_servers/srcds_1/orangebox/tf2_config.cfg
+maxplayers 20

Any tips? The path is correct, and the file has read permissions. Even
set it to execute permissions, still didn't work...

On 9/20/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> forget my question, +exec server.cfg was all that was needed.
>
> On 9/21/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone, [joined this list an hour ago]
> >
> > I just got my CSS/DoDS/FF server running TF2 and
> > 1. you gotta run the srcds_run file in /maindir/orangebox/ now instead of
> > /maindir/
> > 2. at least thats what I did and it ran, if we need to copy the new srcds
> > files over the old, please tell us
> >
> > 3. what file is being accepted as the config file? any sv_hostname setting
> > in valve.rc and a new config.cfg or autoexec.cfg didnt get accepted in
> > /maindir/orangebox/cfg/
> >
> > kind regards,
> > eagle
> >
> > On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > pretty much the same
> > >
> > > here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css one.
> > >
> > > srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14
> > >
> > > > Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just run it like
> > > > css with a different -game command?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you. =)
> > > >
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread James Gurney

On 09/20/2007 05:41 PM, Tim wrote:

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forget my question, +exec server.cfg was all that was needed.



As far as I can tell, cfg/server.cfg is run automatically. At least, it
was here.

My server is up at 209.221.142.115, haven't had a chance to test it yet,
since I'm at work). Will try later.

Anyone got suggestions of good options for the TF2 specific cvars?
Number of rounds, win limit, etc? What works well?

James

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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread Tim
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forget my question, +exec server.cfg was all that was needed.

On 9/21/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, [joined this list an hour ago]
>
> I just got my CSS/DoDS/FF server running TF2 and
> 1. you gotta run the srcds_run file in /maindir/orangebox/ now instead of
> /maindir/
> 2. at least thats what I did and it ran, if we need to copy the new srcds
> files over the old, please tell us
>
> 3. what file is being accepted as the config file? any sv_hostname setting
> in valve.rc and a new config.cfg or autoexec.cfg didnt get accepted in
> /maindir/orangebox/cfg/
>
> kind regards,
> eagle
>
> On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > pretty much the same
> >
> > here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css one.
> >
> > srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14
> >
> > > Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just run it like
> > > css with a different -game command?
> > >
> > > Thank you. =)
> > >
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread Tim
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Hi everyone, [joined this list an hour ago]

I just got my CSS/DoDS/FF server running TF2 and
1. you gotta run the srcds_run file in /maindir/orangebox/ now instead of
/maindir/
2. at least thats what I did and it ran, if we need to copy the new srcds
files over the old, please tell us

3. what file is being accepted as the config file? any sv_hostname setting
in valve.rc and a new config.cfg or autoexec.cfg didnt get accepted in
/maindir/orangebox/cfg/

kind regards,
eagle

On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> pretty much the same
>
> here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css one.
>
> srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14
>
> > Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just run it like
> > css with a different -game command?
> >
> > Thank you. =)
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread Peter Brooks
Make sure you run it within the orangebox directory, if the bins
aren't in there then update until they are.
It works here, a few errors but something to look at tomorrow.
Cheers valve.

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> pretty much the same
>
> here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css one.
>
> srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14
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RE: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread spamabc
I'm getting crashes when someone joins the game:

IVP Failed at /home/dussault/linux/src/ivp/ivp_utility/ivu_vhash.cxx 157
IVP Failed at /home/dussault/linux/src/ivp/ivp_utility/ivu_vhash.cxx 157

(yes, twice)

Any ideas?


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pretty much the same

here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css one.

srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14

> Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just run it like
> css with a different -game command?
>
> Thank you. =)
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread hlds_linux
pretty much the same

here is mine.. you can add the IP and port args same as the css one.

srcds.exe -console -game tf +map ctf_2fort +maxplayers 14

> Does anyone have a good start command line, or do we just run it like
> css with a different -game command?
>
> Thank you. =)
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Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Linux Command Line

2007-09-20 Thread Andreas Grimm
Run it like the others ... for TF2 it is "-game tf"

Good luck :)

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