Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
--- Matt Judge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't have any problems filling my servers, that statement righ there nullifies your whole argument. maybe its the 4-5 glenfidd's i've had tonight, but I am intensely motivated to say stfu. but maybe its the booze. who knows. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
ROFL - of course we are whining! And with valid reason! When someone connects to my server (my clients or anyone else for that matter) and they see an ad for my competitor? When connecting to my server (not to mention downloading maps from my server using my bandwidth) that does not use the content servers at all for them to connect. Damn skippy we are gonna complain. If they wanna advertise someone then they can advert VALVE and I could give a care less, but not another server company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Red Phive Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host Here here. R5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Arden Sent: November 20, 2003 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host OMFG some of you server admins make me sick.. You are whining about a ad that pops everytme someone connects to your server? When you are running someone elses software on your machine what do you expect? They release a server for you to load on your system to make money... for free... Sometimes I wonder where your heads are at -PM Shane Robinett aka Weaver wrote: >Come on guys, it's really not that complex of an issue. > >Valve is not a bunch of guys around the living room making stuff to "have >fun" or to "get respect of a community". > >Valve is a business. Business's only goal is to make money. They have >created something that, for the most of the world and audiences, will be a >godsend. > >How many people get turned off from a game because they can't get on to >fileplanet to download a patch. Hell, how many people can't figure out that >they NEEDED a patch. Game and content distribution is they key behind >STEAM. Distribute content more cheaply then publishers can and from a >centralized source (or controlled centrally) versus the ways it's been done >in the old days. > >How many network engineers are out here that remember the days of >downloading NT service packs and installing them, step by step, across a >whole network. It sucked. Microsoft built the autoupdater function for NT >sp6 + onward. It's a godsend. > >Valve is attempting the same thing. Call it bloat if you want. I suggest you >ditch the pentium200. > >Shane > >- Original Message - >From: "Matt Judge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my >server I host > > > > >>KnowHow The NetCrawler wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well, the only reason CS is still alive is because it reinvents itself. >>>The entire "if the shit works, don't touch it slash status quo" attitude >>>is naive. >>> >>> >>The general opinion is the latest reinvention sucks. The hard core >>gamers who have been with CS since day 1 think the shield sucks (at >>least an awp should kill any mofo using it), the STEAM bloatware is over >>the top, and I have seen far more cheaters/hackers/etc in 1.6 than I >>ever saw in 1.5. >> >> >> >>>Yeah, steam may have it's problems, but it's a good idea, a fantastic >>>concept. >>> >>> >>ROFL. Maybe a fantastic concept for valve to make money, but it is >>certainly not a fantastic concept for the admins and the players. If >>you run any servers of your own, I suggest that you start a forum so >>that you can get feedback about what the the players really think of 1.6 >>and STEAM. >> >> >> >>>A lot of you may think that ppl are leaving to play toher games, hell, >>>they might even be doind that. But the truth is that they're still a >>>gazillion more out there, and the ppl who stop playing have already >>>bought the game anyway. As for servers, well, there's too many of those >>>as it is now anyway. >>> >>> >>I don't have any problems filling my servers, but I hear the complaints, >>and I know the problems myself. With 1.6 I am losing the community >>spirit that developed around 1.5. 1.6 is full of frag whores and cheats >>(sorry to repeat myself), the shield is a n00bies invulnerability >>shield, the updates are pile of cack, the advertising is an insult to >>all the admins who have been providing a free services all these years >>and the cpu usage is astronomical. >> >> >&g
RE: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
[m0gely] > > > >>Think race, not nationality. > > > > > > Wow! you must mean the human race. > > *sigh* I hope you are kidding.. > Let's see -- Have you ever heard of the Canadian race? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
According to the great words of Shane Robinett aka Weaver: > More importantly, since Valve gets /most/ of the bandwidth for STEAM > for free Do you really think that the STEAM content providers provide more bandwidth than the combined total of all the game server providers? > There is a solution. Throw up a STEAM server with 10-15mb/s of > bandwidth available only to people connecting to your IP ranges. The > STEAM servers have that capability. This way anyone connecting to > your servers will see your marketing message. Please do elaborate on this. I've seen nothing from Valve indicating that I can force players to use a specific STEAM server when they connect to my game server. > I'm not sure if you noticed: But the gaming arena is changing. Gone > are the days when 150,000 people connected at a night to play CS. > When Valve sells 10 million copies of HL2 (they sold 6 million of HL > 5+ years ago), with the number of people who have broadband, the > number of people connected at night will be MUCH higher then what we > see today. And the bandwidth requirements will be steeper. > Someone's got to provide the bandwidth. Exactly. And it's not the STEAM content providers, but the game server providers who will be providing the bulk of this bandwidth. There will need to be considerably more game servers to support this. Unfortunately, with the way Valve is treating us, many of the quality GSPs are leaving. At this rate, by that time all they will have left are kiddies using daddy's computer. The quality of the servers will decline, and the game will go down with it. -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
Wowsers. Every time you connect to a game, even if you are not updating, it is /checking/ to see if an update is available. Further, it also handles some of the authentication pass off. More importantly, since Valve gets /most/ of the bandwidth for STEAM for free, it is unrealistic for you or anyone else to think that the only time someone will see an advertisement message from the people providing the bandwidth during updates. You need to provide incentive to companies like mine, NVidia, etc etc, to provide bandwidth for *your* users for free. There is a solution. Throw up a STEAM server with 10-15mb/s of bandwidth available only to people connecting to your IP ranges. The STEAM servers have that capability. This way anyone connecting to your servers will see your marketing message. I'm not sure if you noticed: But the gaming arena is changing. Gone are the days when 150,000 people connected at a night to play CS. When Valve sells 10 million copies of HL2 (they sold 6 million of HL 5+ years ago), with the number of people who have broadband, the number of people connected at night will be MUCH higher then what we see today. And the bandwidth requirements will be steeper. Someone's got to provide the bandwidth. Now stop ranting! Shane - Original Message - From: "Vernon Riley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host > Well that is total bs because valve is guilty of false advertising at this > point. They are showing an ad that is misleading. Yes, that ad may be for a > 'content provider' but its misleading in the fact that 99.% of people > that see that ad think its from my company or that I have been bought out by > my competitors or whatever. > > The bottom line is this. Its MY server. Its MY bandwidth. Its MY cs server > thats showing someone elses ads. > > The only justifiable time for valve to show ANY ad is when a consumer is > updating their local cs install and steam shows an ad while they are > updating. > > That being said, f*ck valve for releasing steam. F*ck valve for increasing > the cpu usage by 40% +. Also, F*ck valve for not giving a shit and not > listening to the community and not giving one GD iota of care or concern for > the problems that have resulted for us admins as a result of the cpu usage > and the bugs. > > I will actively support and test a server side hack to insert my own ads > when someone connects to one of MY servers and use MY bandwidth to play a > game or download a map. I sure hope someone comes out with a hack for it. > > As for you valve, get your act together. We are the lifeblood of the cs > community. Without server providers you cant sell crap because no one will > have anywhere to play. Start listening to us and fixing things or your gonna > find yourself standing around with your dick in your hand while we rent out > our spots to anything other than a valve/steam product. > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
According to the great words of hlds_linux: > Has it ever occurred to the community that maybe Valve *is* trying to > kill off the game hosting community so that they can make all the > money off of their game? > > Valve - Care to comment? How does that benefit them? The game hosts may be making money, but they also provide the infrastructure that everybody plays on. It would cost them a lot to try to host all of our servers themselves... doesn't seem worth it to me. -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
According to the great words of Vernon Riley: > I will actively support and test a server side hack to insert my own > ads when someone connects to one of MY servers and use MY bandwidth > to play a game or download a map. I sure hope someone comes out with > a hack for it. Unfortunately, it's the client that goes out and finds the ad to display. The server has no control whatsoever. The client needs to be patched by Vavle to query the server that is being connected to and get the specific banner for that server, rather than going to the generic Content Provider banner server, or whatever it does today. On that note, if somebody were to break the content provider banner server, that would at least stop those ads. It must be Windows, right? It can't be that hard... Not that I would ever do such a thing... -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
Has it ever occurred to the community that maybe Valve *is* trying to kill off the game hosting community so that they can make all the money off of their game? Valve - Care to comment? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] valve advertising crap when someones joining my server I host
Vernon Riley wrote: I will actively support and test a server side hack to insert my own ads when someone connects to one of MY servers and use MY bandwidth to play a game or download a map. I sure hope someone comes out with a hack for it. If the crappy "content server" could run in Linux, i'll gladly became one. BUT my firewall rules for this content server will be very, very restrictive. Or, better yet, why we didn't try to run their content server in wine?! My lan is 100mbit, they need at least 100mbit... perfect!!! :p P.S.: Anyone tried to run win hlds version in wine?! maybe it has better performance... -- dual_bereta_r0x -- Alexandre Hautequest ArenaNetwork Lan House & Cyber -- www.arenanetwork.com.br ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
