Re: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
Original message from Michael Krohn: As I previously stated. if you want to continue to sell it, then it needs to have continued support. They have no obligation to do any such thing. You don't pay for a service. In fact, the software you are complaining about (dedicated server) is a free download. Get over yourself already. -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
In a bold display of creativity, Chris Jones wrote: They have no obligation to do any such thing. What, *legally* is what you're talking about? I have no idea what their legal responsibilities are, but I would suggest that it makes good business sense to support your clients and perform maintenance on your products as needed. And in the specific case of Valve's library of products, bear in mind that while you sneeringly point out that there's no fee to run the game server products, those game server products being run by the community are the lifeblood of Valve's software. What you're basically saying is, H...as a server admin, Valve isn't charging me to do them a favor. You're supporting and helping to create a market for their software. I think it's reasonable to expect a little support for that in return, and I think Valve's shown that they believe that as well. They may seem a little slow-moving from time to time, but for the most part, they do get the job done. And I think you'd find that they'd argue against your rather inane points. I think, perhaps, you're getting more caught up in arguing for argument's sake than in reasoned discourse. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
I wonder what the developer work effort is between Valve products... I severely doubt it will happen ! but I would love to know from any Valve employee how many man hours or how much team effort is being given to hlds/l, counter-strike, counter-strike:source, VAC2, DOD:source and even 'other upcoming projects'. If we knew for definite that hlds support was never going to pick up again and for work to stop in the near future (if not already), hlds server providers could steel themselves for a move to srcds or at least make an informed decision on what next. Is there a date announced for DOD:source ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric (Deacon) Sent: 12 May 2005 14:30 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak In a bold display of creativity, Chris Jones wrote: They have no obligation to do any such thing. What, *legally* is what you're talking about? I have no idea what their legal responsibilities are, but I would suggest that it makes good business sense to support your clients and perform maintenance on your products as needed. And in the specific case of Valve's library of products, bear in mind that while you sneeringly point out that there's no fee to run the game server products, those game server products being run by the community are the lifeblood of Valve's software. What you're basically saying is, H...as a server admin, Valve isn't charging me to do them a favor. You're supporting and helping to create a market for their software. I think it's reasonable to expect a little support for that in return, and I think Valve's shown that they believe that as well. They may seem a little slow-moving from time to time, but for the most part, they do get the job done. And I think you'd find that they'd argue against your rather inane points. I think, perhaps, you're getting more caught up in arguing for argument's sake than in reasoned discourse. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux * This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods Group Limited or it's subsidiaries. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The Registered Office of Littlewoods Group Limited and it's subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Group Limited is 5059352. * This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
No date for DOD Source no, not that what I've heard. Though your on about providers that could steel themselves for a move, well msot providers would of already moved most of their systems over. I for one moved the majority unless otherwise requested, moved over to srcds, it was very un-troublesome and pretty pain free moving over. Plus you know that Valve will support it, and any major issues which will obviously crop up will be fixed to a certain degree of speed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McCormack, Chris Sent: 12 May 2005 14:56 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak I wonder what the developer work effort is between Valve products... I severely doubt it will happen ! but I would love to know from any Valve employee how many man hours or how much team effort is being given to hlds/l, counter-strike, counter-strike:source, VAC2, DOD:source and even 'other upcoming projects'. If we knew for definite that hlds support was never going to pick up again and for work to stop in the near future (if not already), hlds server providers could steel themselves for a move to srcds or at least make an informed decision on what next. Is there a date announced for DOD:source ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric (Deacon) Sent: 12 May 2005 14:30 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak In a bold display of creativity, Chris Jones wrote: They have no obligation to do any such thing. What, *legally* is what you're talking about? I have no idea what their legal responsibilities are, but I would suggest that it makes good business sense to support your clients and perform maintenance on your products as needed. And in the specific case of Valve's library of products, bear in mind that while you sneeringly point out that there's no fee to run the game server products, those game server products being run by the community are the lifeblood of Valve's software. What you're basically saying is, H...as a server admin, Valve isn't charging me to do them a favor. You're supporting and helping to create a market for their software. I think it's reasonable to expect a little support for that in return, and I think Valve's shown that they believe that as well. They may seem a little slow-moving from time to time, but for the most part, they do get the job done. And I think you'd find that they'd argue against your rather inane points. I think, perhaps, you're getting more caught up in arguing for argument's sake than in reasoned discourse. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux * This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods Group Limited or it's subsidiaries. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The Registered Office of Littlewoods Group Limited and it's subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Group Limited is 5059352. * This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
