Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question
I mispoke, I would be two hops away from the internet. I forgot to include my router. I'm not worried about peering, or latency, or PSUs or re-entry heat shields. I did the exact same setup in the town next to the one I am in now, with the same ISP. I did it for 4 years, and then ditched the T1 when I moved. In that 4 years, aside from a bad slot in my router, which the ISP replaced for free, there was no problem. People in the NorthEast could get 20-30ms pings easily. At the time, I was running 1.4 and 1.5. I could run 3x 18 slots servers, all on the same 1.8ghz Xeon with 2 gig of ram, and the T1 without a problem. This is why I am asking now, because 1.6 is big fat pig. I will settle with the few other responses I recieved. - Original Message - From: "richy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > I believe I have answered your question, I took the time to write it can > you not take the time to read it? > I have offered you all the information you require and the means to do > you own calculations should you want to change some of the data. > > > 180 (KBPS avail) / 9 (Possible usage of HL client) = 20 (Clients) (And > that might be pushing it, so 1 x 20man server > > basically > > I was also trying to show you how to work it out for yourself. > > You can forget the 1 hop BS the vendor is trying to put on you because > its most prob BS, 1 hop to main internet backbone? So it doesn't go > through his network or your local point of presence (POP)? If it is one > 1 hop to the "CORE" what core is it? What peering arrangements has your > ISP got? You ping WILL be 10-20 ms above what GSP's host, and that's > just people on the same network, internetwork could be worse due to > peering arrangements with your ISP. > > That sla is from you to his network, what about to the other networks > around the world? Does this cover his peering arrangements and > connectivity? > > See you will notice even the smallest outage as peeps will complain they > cant see the server while others still can, wont be your link it will be > one further upstream. Can your ISP cope with that? > > Your host should be ready to re-route connections through backup peering > should a failure occur. That's not even taking into account your weakest > link. Is your machine on a Backup PSU, is it in your house or place of > business? Place of business there is a chance someone could unplug it or > what happens if the machine requires a reset at 12 at night. At home > what happens if you have a pwr cut. What if your server needs hard reset > during business hours when ur at work? > > What router are you having at the end of your link? > > Are u uk based? > > Richy > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Toker > Sent: 05 September 2004 22:04 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > > nah, I'm one hop off of the internet backbone. And its a real T1, not > any > type of DSL. DSL is crap, no QOS at all. I'm guaranteed 5x 9s uptime, > and > less than 20ms spikes to the core. > > Nobody has ansered the question. Hardware aside, and hops from Tier 1 > provider, how much kbps per player is realistic with a T1? > > Again, hardware is not an issue, trust me. I have the latest and > greatest > on both AMD and Intel. I'm not worried about server specs. Bandwidth > is > what I am talking about. > > As for the server rates, use your imaginations. With the highest rates, > how > many slots can you fit on a T1? > > > - Original Message - > From: "richy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:08 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > > > > This is not an easy question to answer as there isn't really an > answer. > > "IT DEPENDS" > > > > It depends on lots of factors, > > 1. Server speed (Sys_ticrate) > > 2. Server rates > > 3. Client rates > > 4. Server size > > 5. any other services on that line > > > > > > throughput on 1.5mb = 180kb (Approx, more of a guess tbh) > > > > some lower throughput servers only average 3-4kb/sec /180 = 45 > > > > but that's using default / low rates and on a small server. > > > > On my high FPS server with hi ADSL rates (25k 101 101) the throughput > in > > netgraph is usually around 8kb/sec and peaks at 11kb/sec > > > > 180 / 9 = 20 (And that might be pushing
Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Laugh-out loud funny. Sorry. A 10 on the Unintentional Comedy scale. Bottom line - it all depends. You can put a BILLION slots on a server, and the T1 will support them, but there might be a wee bit of lag. ;) Also - I'm guessing that many folks on this list are either home-based, or colocated; very few with a dedicated T1 that just services CS, so actual hard metrics may be hard to come by. But yes, playing with netgraph to determine what speeds you are allowing, and then dividing by T1, and then assuming there is no ambiguity or other external factors whatsoever, you'll have your answer, or at least a starting point. On a side note, try not to buy into marketing blather, "internet backbone", "QoS", "spikes to the core", etc. Good luck, and welcome to the community. Mike Yes, I know I'm top posting, terribly sorry. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Toker Sent: Sun 9/5/2004 2:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question - Bayesian Filter detected spam nah, I'm one hop off of the internet backbone. And its a real T1, not any type of DSL. DSL is crap, no QOS at all. I'm guaranteed 5x 9s uptime, and less than 20ms spikes to the core. Nobody has ansered the question. Hardware aside, and hops from Tier 1 provider, how much kbps per player is realistic with a T1? Again, hardware is not an issue, trust me. I have the latest and greatest on both AMD and Intel. I'm not worried about server specs. Bandwidth is what I am talking about. As for the server rates, use your imaginations. With the highest rates, how many slots can you fit on a T1? - Original Message - From: "richy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > This is not an easy question to answer as there isn't really an answer. > "IT DEPENDS" > > It depends on lots of factors, > 1. Server speed (Sys_ticrate) > 2. Server rates > 3. Client rates > 4. Server size > 5. any other services on that line > > > throughput on 1.5mb = 180kb (Approx, more of a guess tbh) > > some lower throughput servers only average 3-4kb/sec /180 = 45 > > but that's using default / low rates and on a small server. > > On my high FPS server with hi ADSL rates (25k 101 101) the throughput in > netgraph is usually around 8kb/sec and peaks at 11kb/sec > > 180 / 9 = 20 (And that might be pushing it, so 1 x 20man server > basically) > > To be honest there isn't really a point in hosting from T1 when > datacenter prices are so competitive. Also you have redundancy and air > conditioning etc. > > Colocate (it's the only way to fly these days) > > Hope that helps but probably not want you want to hear. > > Bear in mind that even if you do host it from t1 line you still have a > higher latency than you do with collocating due to having to travel > through internet backbone and then back out to the t1 from the client. > (ad 4-15ms onto ping) > > Richy > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 September 2004 20:42 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > > Realistically I would say about 2 (maybe 3, maybe) 16 slot pubs on each > cpu > there. As the slots count up the cpu usage goes up more and more. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Toker > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > > > Ok, so I have been researching and researching more Everyone says > something different. I would like to know from this list, since there > are > some pretty bright people, on a T1, how many slots can you have on your > server. The server is a dual 1.8ghz Xeon, with 2 gig of ram. Mod is CS > 1.6. > > I have seen people say that you can only have an 18 player server, > people > say a 128 player server. I'm asking it here, because I watch this list > carefully, and people here seem to know what they are talking about vs. > people on the steam forums. > > Thanks! > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > plea
Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question
nah, I'm one hop off of the internet backbone. And its a real T1, not any type of DSL. DSL is crap, no QOS at all. I'm guaranteed 5x 9s uptime, and less than 20ms spikes to the core. Nobody has ansered the question. Hardware aside, and hops from Tier 1 provider, how much kbps per player is realistic with a T1? Again, hardware is not an issue, trust me. I have the latest and greatest on both AMD and Intel. I'm not worried about server specs. Bandwidth is what I am talking about. As for the server rates, use your imaginations. With the highest rates, how many slots can you fit on a T1? - Original Message - From: "richy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > This is not an easy question to answer as there isn't really an answer. > "IT DEPENDS" > > It depends on lots of factors, > 1. Server speed (Sys_ticrate) > 2. Server rates > 3. Client rates > 4. Server size > 5. any other services on that line > > > throughput on 1.5mb = 180kb (Approx, more of a guess tbh) > > some lower throughput servers only average 3-4kb/sec /180 = 45 > > but that's using default / low rates and on a small server. > > On my high FPS server with hi ADSL rates (25k 101 101) the throughput in > netgraph is usually around 8kb/sec and peaks at 11kb/sec > > 180 / 9 = 20 (And that might be pushing it, so 1 x 20man server > basically) > > To be honest there isn't really a point in hosting from T1 when > datacenter prices are so competitive. Also you have redundancy and air > conditioning etc. > > Colocate (it's the only way to fly these days) > > Hope that helps but probably not want you want to hear. > > Bear in mind that even if you do host it from t1 line you still have a > higher latency than you do with collocating due to having to travel > through internet backbone and then back out to the t1 from the client. > (ad 4-15ms onto ping) > > Richy > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 September 2004 20:42 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > > Realistically I would say about 2 (maybe 3, maybe) 16 slot pubs on each > cpu > there. As the slots count up the cpu usage goes up more and more. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Toker > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > > > Ok, so I have been researching and researching more Everyone says > something different. I would like to know from this list, since there > are > some pretty bright people, on a T1, how many slots can you have on your > server. The server is a dual 1.8ghz Xeon, with 2 gig of ram. Mod is CS > 1.6. > > I have seen people say that you can only have an 18 player server, > people > say a 128 player server. I'm asking it here, because I watch this list > carefully, and people here seem to know what they are talking about vs. > people on the steam forums. > > Thanks! > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question
Thanks for the speach. I don't have the ability to keep adding slots. I need to purchase a pipe, and don't want to purchase more than I need. And yes, you are a troll. Thanks for the informative reply though. - Original Message - From: "Brad Schulteis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "HLDS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question > Not to be a troll, but if you "watch this list carefully" you would > already know the answer to this question which is: it depends. You would > also know that hitting REPLY to post a NEW topic is bad. And I hope you > know that there is no such thing as a 128 person CS server. To get more > to the root of your query, just keep adding servers/slots until you > reach a point where they become unplayable and then you will have your > answer. There are too many factors to give a definitive answer for all > cases. It's trial and error. > > On Sun, 2004-09-05 at 13:20, Toker wrote: > > Ok, so I have been researching and researching more Everyone says > > something different. I would like to know from this list, since there are > > some pretty bright people, on a T1, how many slots can you have on your > > server. The server is a dual 1.8ghz Xeon, with 2 gig of ram. Mod is CS > > 1.6. > > > > I have seen people say that you can only have an 18 player server, people > > say a 128 player server. I'm asking it here, because I watch this list > > carefully, and people here seem to know what they are talking about vs. > > people on the steam forums. > > > > Thanks! > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question
This is not an easy question to answer as there isn't really an answer. "IT DEPENDS" It depends on lots of factors, 1. Server speed (Sys_ticrate) 2. Server rates 3. Client rates 4. Server size 5. any other services on that line throughput on 1.5mb = 180kb (Approx, more of a guess tbh) some lower throughput servers only average 3-4kb/sec /180 = 45 but that's using default / low rates and on a small server. On my high FPS server with hi ADSL rates (25k 101 101) the throughput in netgraph is usually around 8kb/sec and peaks at 11kb/sec 180 / 9 = 20 (And that might be pushing it, so 1 x 20man server basically) To be honest there isn't really a point in hosting from T1 when datacenter prices are so competitive. Also you have redundancy and air conditioning etc. Colocate (it's the only way to fly these days) Hope that helps but probably not want you want to hear. Bear in mind that even if you do host it from t1 line you still have a higher latency than you do with collocating due to having to travel through internet backbone and then back out to the t1 from the client. (ad 4-15ms onto ping) Richy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 September 2004 20:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question Realistically I would say about 2 (maybe 3, maybe) 16 slot pubs on each cpu there. As the slots count up the cpu usage goes up more and more. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Toker Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question Ok, so I have been researching and researching more Everyone says something different. I would like to know from this list, since there are some pretty bright people, on a T1, how many slots can you have on your server. The server is a dual 1.8ghz Xeon, with 2 gig of ram. Mod is CS 1.6. I have seen people say that you can only have an 18 player server, people say a 128 player server. I'm asking it here, because I watch this list carefully, and people here seem to know what they are talking about vs. people on the steam forums. Thanks! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question
Realistically I would say about 2 (maybe 3, maybe) 16 slot pubs on each cpu there. As the slots count up the cpu usage goes up more and more. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Toker Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question Ok, so I have been researching and researching more Everyone says something different. I would like to know from this list, since there are some pretty bright people, on a T1, how many slots can you have on your server. The server is a dual 1.8ghz Xeon, with 2 gig of ram. Mod is CS 1.6. I have seen people say that you can only have an 18 player server, people say a 128 player server. I'm asking it here, because I watch this list carefully, and people here seem to know what they are talking about vs. people on the steam forums. Thanks! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question
Not to be a troll, but if you "watch this list carefully" you would already know the answer to this question which is: it depends. You would also know that hitting REPLY to post a NEW topic is bad. And I hope you know that there is no such thing as a 128 person CS server. To get more to the root of your query, just keep adding servers/slots until you reach a point where they become unplayable and then you will have your answer. There are too many factors to give a definitive answer for all cases. It's trial and error. On Sun, 2004-09-05 at 13:20, Toker wrote: > Ok, so I have been researching and researching more Everyone says > something different. I would like to know from this list, since there are > some pretty bright people, on a T1, how many slots can you have on your > server. The server is a dual 1.8ghz Xeon, with 2 gig of ram. Mod is CS > 1.6. > > I have seen people say that you can only have an 18 player server, people > say a 128 player server. I'm asking it here, because I watch this list > carefully, and people here seem to know what they are talking about vs. > people on the steam forums. > > Thanks! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Another bandwidth question
As far as bandwidth is concerned you should be able to host 40 - 45 players on that I would think. Not sure about the hardware though. Cheers On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:20:22 -0400, Toker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, so I have been researching and researching more Everyone says > something different. I would like to know from this list, since there are > some pretty bright people, on a T1, how many slots can you have on your > server. The server is a dual 1.8ghz Xeon, with 2 gig of ram. Mod is CS > 1.6. > > I have seen people say that you can only have an 18 player server, people > say a 128 player server. I'm asking it here, because I watch this list > carefully, and people here seem to know what they are talking about vs. > people on the steam forums. > > Thanks! > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
