Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
Brett Fernicola wrote: AT LEAST WHEN I CALL SOMEONE A MORON I GIVE FACTS TO BACK MY SELF UP YOU DUMB SHIT. Think about trying reiser fs filesystem it is a lot faster at handeling small files. This reduced my load times a lot with slackware 9.1 Yeah, right, and HL has so many so extremely small files. And btw, AMD Fanboy, you may stick both your Intel and AMD cpus where the sun don't shine. PCs are for children, get yourself a *real* machine. Once you've played Doom on a SGI you won't touch anything else anymore. Yay for workstations and supercomputers, that is what real Men play with. Muhuhauhaua! SCNR, Florian. P.S.: This post could be considered a troll. Resist from feeding it unless your name is Brett. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
We have some Dual AMD MP Systems. Every system has already a 2.6 kernel. Sure I can also run much more than 72 slots on the Xeons, but not with the HalfLife linux gameserver (bf / mohaa / ... works). Yes, we can run on the Amd MPs a few slots more (compared on CPU speed with Xeon), but not enough. Compare this with windows servers and you will see, you have much more CPU usage on every linux systems. I suggest you to read some benchmarks about Amd MP and Intel Xeon CPUs. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200203131/index.html - Marco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 If you cant run 50 slots on a dual xeon 2.66ghz then your problem is not with valve although they do suck. The problem is you and your server. Next time spend your money on a real company like AMD. Intel is for fan boys who like to ride the bandwagon. AMD crushes Intel in all benchmarks with much lower clock speeds bottom __ Sell your Dual Intel and get a dual AMD. Next Install slackware 9.1 and recompile with 2.6 kernel. After that you should be able to handle up 72 slots ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
You guys sounds like a team of female cheer leaders. rah rah AMD rah rah AMD. I don't know if it's just NETFIRE blowing smoke up your butts or if you've actually gone out and tried to prove it. 50 slots? please. The box you specified can handle 3 times that. I've bench marked and can prove that our dual process XEON 2.4 Ghz machines out perform our AMD 2400XP boxes with equivelent specs when it comes to HLDS. Primary comparison is based on thread counts, over all reported CPU usage based on # of slots. Intels run cooler - with more stability - and faster. A little more money? I am happy to pay it. We bought /only/ AMD for the first year of our existance and when we switched to Intel a year and a 1/2 a go - our support problems dropped dramatically. -Shane - Original Message - From: Britt Priddy (PZGN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Actually - he's right regarding Valves software... they develop on AMD - and compile under AMD - so it makes sense it runs / performs better under AMD. - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 real company like AMD I'm not quite sure where you got that from Considering Intel have more than 80% market share and AMD only have 15% it seems not many people agree with you there. Stop talking shit - it only starts big long threads pointlessly trying to argue the merits of each company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: 23 November 2003 00:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 If you cant run 50 slots on a dual xeon 2.66ghz then your problem is not with valve although they do suck. The problem is you and your server. Next time spend your money on a real company like AMD. Intel is for fan boys who like to ride the bandwagon. AMD crushes Intel in all benchmarks with much lower clock speeds bottom __ Sell your Dual Intel and get a dual AMD. Next Install slackware 9.1 and recompile with 2.6 kernel. After that you should be able to handle up 72 slots - Original Message - From: Marco Balle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Well, we stop renting halflife servers this weekend. New games are ready to rent for us (most Q3 engine, which runs really great). I don't believe Valve (Alfred) is able to fix the cpu issue this year. I think he does everything he can to make the best for it, but we can not run only 50Slots on a Dual Xeon 2,66GHz anymore. So we first drop the CPU hungry HL servers. That's the only way to keep our Server rental alive. The problem is known about many month and nothing is happened to solve this. Maybe the work to solve this problem is too expensive for valve, so we change our Gameserver offer. I think Alfred did a great job, but he was not able to fix the cpu issue. Don't know why, but I think there is a good reason. So long.. - Marco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mad Scientist Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 According to the great words of Jay Anstiss: Hey folks - could use a bit of help here...I'm about to get back to the thrills of running a CS server again, but I'm unsure which way to go - version 1.5 or 1.6...which do you folks prefer running right now? I've heard lots of bad comments from friends about 1.6 but I've personally not used it. I used to run 1.5 with HLGuard and adminmod - how does this lot work with 1.6? Also, is it true that HLguard doesn't work now since STEAM id's were brought in? I hope we can still set these things up to catch cheats! 1.5 is no longer being supported by Valve, and eventually it will no longer work for Internet play since Valve plans to retire the WON infrastructure. It's really not much of a choice. Personally, if I were starting over, I would go with another game. Right now I still have a fairly large community and I feel bad just turning off their server, although I do plan on migrating slowly to something else once I have selected the new game. I would not invest any new money in Valve's games since they have clearly demonstrated that the server admin community is not important to them. -Mad -- A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. - Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo
RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
Brett - nobody cares about your opinion. To everyone else: Everyone has their own experiences and opinions regarding Intel/AMD. Intel tends to be the first choice for larger organizations for several reasons: 1 - To my knowledge - none of the top 5 servers manufacturers make AMD MP based systems. (surely thats saying something already) 2 - Compatibility - nothing beats an Intel chipset and processor when it comes to compatibility. 3 - Dependability - People have used Intel for years and they are not about to stop - they buy into what they know - its worked well for them in the past so there's no reason to think it wont in the future. AMD users generally buy AMD because : 1 - cheaper 2 - more bang for your buck I concede that AMD systems are generally faster than the Intel equivalent. However Intel is winning when it comes to shear speed. The XP3200 is 2.2ghz and it simply cant compete with a P4 3.2ghz. Memory speed on the Intel platform is also much faster than AMD. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett aka Weaver Sent: 23 November 2003 13:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 You guys sounds like a team of female cheer leaders. rah rah AMD rah rah AMD. I don't know if it's just NETFIRE blowing smoke up your butts or if you've actually gone out and tried to prove it. 50 slots? please. The box you specified can handle 3 times that. I've bench marked and can prove that our dual process XEON 2.4 Ghz machines out perform our AMD 2400XP boxes with equivelent specs when it comes to HLDS. Primary comparison is based on thread counts, over all reported CPU usage based on # of slots. Intels run cooler - with more stability - and faster. A little more money? I am happy to pay it. We bought /only/ AMD for the first year of our existance and when we switched to Intel a year and a 1/2 a go - our support problems dropped dramatically. -Shane - Original Message - From: Britt Priddy (PZGN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Actually - he's right regarding Valves software... they develop on AMD - and compile under AMD - so it makes sense it runs / performs better under AMD. - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 real company like AMD I'm not quite sure where you got that from Considering Intel have more than 80% market share and AMD only have 15% it seems not many people agree with you there. Stop talking shit - it only starts big long threads pointlessly trying to argue the merits of each company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: 23 November 2003 00:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 If you cant run 50 slots on a dual xeon 2.66ghz then your problem is not with valve although they do suck. The problem is you and your server. Next time spend your money on a real company like AMD. Intel is for fan boys who like to ride the bandwagon. AMD crushes Intel in all benchmarks with much lower clock speeds bottom __ Sell your Dual Intel and get a dual AMD. Next Install slackware 9.1 and recompile with 2.6 kernel. After that you should be able to handle up 72 slots - Original Message - From: Marco Balle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Well, we stop renting halflife servers this weekend. New games are ready to rent for us (most Q3 engine, which runs really great). I don't believe Valve (Alfred) is able to fix the cpu issue this year. I think he does everything he can to make the best for it, but we can not run only 50Slots on a Dual Xeon 2,66GHz anymore. So we first drop the CPU hungry HL servers. That's the only way to keep our Server rental alive. The problem is known about many month and nothing is happened to solve this. Maybe the work to solve this problem is too expensive for valve, so we change our Gameserver offer. I think Alfred did a great job, but he was not able to fix the cpu issue. Don't know why, but I think there is a good reason. So long.. - Marco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mad Scientist Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 According to the great words of Jay Anstiss: Hey folks - could use a bit of help here...I'm about to get back to the thrills of running a CS server again, but I'm unsure which way to go - version 1.5 or 1.6...which do you folks prefer running right now? I've heard lots of bad comments from friends about 1.6 but I've personally not used
RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
Well, we stop renting halflife servers this weekend. New games are ready to rent for us (most Q3 engine, which runs really I recall a website that showed the number of players playing each game... Anyone know of a site, or sites, that do that?? I'm just interested to see where the trend is going Roach ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
Marco Balle wrote: We have some Dual AMD MP Systems. Every system has already a 2.6 kernel. Sure I can also run much more than 72 slots on the Xeons, but not with the HalfLife linux gameserver (bf / mohaa / ... works). Yes, we can run on the Amd MPs a few slots more (compared on CPU speed with Xeon), but not enough. Compare this with windows servers and you will see, you have much more CPU usage on every linux systems. I suggest you to read some benchmarks about Amd MP and Intel Xeon CPUs. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200203131/index.html Ur a funny guy, and special, I would go calling names into people... but since when does a AMD MP matches a Intel Xeon ? not in this world mate. I will be calling stupid to anyone who tries to relate AMD MP with Intel Xeon, because they are both very different. Just for you information the MP is nothing more than a AMD XP with a couple more of routines for SMP optimization. Xeon is much more than that, try comparing a Lusitan Horse with a mule, it's the same kind of comparison. nelson - Marco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 If you cant run 50 slots on a dual xeon 2.66ghz then your problem is not with valve although they do suck. The problem is you and your server. Next time spend your money on a real company like AMD. Intel is for fan boys who like to ride the bandwagon. AMD crushes Intel in all benchmarks with much lower clock speeds bottom __ Sell your Dual Intel and get a dual AMD. Next Install slackware 9.1 and recompile with 2.6 kernel. After that you should be able to handle up 72 slots ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
James Sykes wrote: Brett - nobody cares about your opinion. To everyone else: Everyone has their own experiences and opinions regarding Intel/AMD. Intel tends to be the first choice for larger organizations for several reasons: 1 - To my knowledge - none of the top 5 servers manufacturers make AMD MP based systems. (surely thats saying something already) What you talking about ? What 5 manufacturers ? gimme the names of them. 2 - Compatibility - nothing beats an Intel chipset and processor when it comes to compatibility. Prove it. How can you test compatibility ? just let me know, really interested on that. 3 - Dependability - People have used Intel for years and they are not about to stop - they buy into what they know - its worked well for them in the past so there's no reason to think it wont in the future. Well, people have been using ALPHA for years, and so far it is the best munching cpu I've seen, no Ultra Sparc can beat that, specially not a Xeon. The future is a 64 bit or more CPU, and not intel man. Intel has no future on high end systems. AMD users generally buy AMD because : 1 - cheaper 2 - more bang for your buck I concede that AMD systems are generally faster than the Intel equivalent. However Intel is winning when it comes to shear speed. The XP3200 is 2.2ghz and it simply cant compete with a P4 3.2ghz. Memory speed on the Intel platform is also much faster than AMD. Memory speed ? What kinda servers do you use ? Usually any intel based server uses PC2600 ECC. Why do you need more for ? Nelson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett aka Weaver Sent: 23 November 2003 13:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 You guys sounds like a team of female cheer leaders. rah rah AMD rah rah AMD. I don't know if it's just NETFIRE blowing smoke up your butts or if you've actually gone out and tried to prove it. 50 slots? please. The box you specified can handle 3 times that. I've bench marked and can prove that our dual process XEON 2.4 Ghz machines out perform our AMD 2400XP boxes with equivelent specs when it comes to HLDS. Primary comparison is based on thread counts, over all reported CPU usage based on # of slots. Intels run cooler - with more stability - and faster. A little more money? I am happy to pay it. We bought /only/ AMD for the first year of our existance and when we switched to Intel a year and a 1/2 a go - our support problems dropped dramatically. -Shane - Original Message - From: Britt Priddy (PZGN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Actually - he's right regarding Valves software... they develop on AMD - and compile under AMD - so it makes sense it runs / performs better under AMD. - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 real company like AMD I'm not quite sure where you got that from Considering Intel have more than 80% market share and AMD only have 15% it seems not many people agree with you there. Stop talking shit - it only starts big long threads pointlessly trying to argue the merits of each company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: 23 November 2003 00:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 If you cant run 50 slots on a dual xeon 2.66ghz then your problem is not with valve although they do suck. The problem is you and your server. Next time spend your money on a real company like AMD. Intel is for fan boys who like to ride the bandwagon. AMD crushes Intel in all benchmarks with much lower clock speeds bottom __ Sell your Dual Intel and get a dual AMD. Next Install slackware 9.1 and recompile with 2.6 kernel. After that you should be able to handle up 72 slots - Original Message - From: Marco Balle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Well, we stop renting halflife servers this weekend. New games are ready to rent for us (most Q3 engine, which runs really great). I don't believe Valve (Alfred) is able to fix the cpu issue this year. I think he does everything he can to make the best for it, but we can not run only 50Slots on a Dual Xeon 2,66GHz anymore. So we first drop the CPU hungry HL servers. That's the only way to keep our Server rental alive. The problem is known about many month and nothing is happened to solve this. Maybe the work to solve this problem is too expensive for valve, so we change our Gameserver offer. I think Alfred did a great job, but he was not able to fix the cpu issue. Don't know why, but I think there is a good reason. So long.. - Marco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL
Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
We run both - Intel and AMD - just on the Intel side - stay away from Celerons - they blow with their 128k L2 Cache - snap it up to a 512k L2 and you'll be fine - but performance as far as Valves software is concerned does perform better on AMD's with 512k L2 Cache - we tested in all possible CPU's with Intel and AMD - the best we've got is an AMD 2800+ - with 1 gig ddram - 40 slots (2 20 player processes) - no choke / latency - its good. Intel - you'll see a little choke / jerkyness - even with 512k cache - but nothing that would make you go 'blah' this is unplayable. - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Brett - nobody cares about your opinion. To everyone else: Everyone has their own experiences and opinions regarding Intel/AMD. Intel tends to be the first choice for larger organizations for several reasons: 1 - To my knowledge - none of the top 5 servers manufacturers make AMD MP based systems. (surely that's saying something already) 2 - Compatibility - nothing beats an Intel chipset and processor when it comes to compatibility. 3 - Dependability - People have used Intel for years and they are not about to stop - they buy into what they know - its worked well for them in the past so there's no reason to think it wont in the future. AMD users generally buy AMD because : 1 - cheaper 2 - more bang for your buck I concede that AMD systems are generally faster than the Intel equivalent. However Intel is winning when it comes to shear speed. The XP3200 is 2.2ghz and it simply cant compete with a P4 3.2ghz. Memory speed on the Intel platform is also much faster than AMD. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett aka Weaver Sent: 23 November 2003 13:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 You guys sounds like a team of female cheer leaders. rah rah AMD rah rah AMD. I don't know if it's just NETFIRE blowing smoke up your butts or if you've actually gone out and tried to prove it. 50 slots? please. The box you specified can handle 3 times that. I've bench marked and can prove that our dual process XEON 2.4 Ghz machines out perform our AMD 2400XP boxes with equivelent specs when it comes to HLDS. Primary comparison is based on thread counts, over all reported CPU usage based on # of slots. Intels run cooler - with more stability - and faster. A little more money? I am happy to pay it. We bought /only/ AMD for the first year of our existance and when we switched to Intel a year and a 1/2 a go - our support problems dropped dramatically. -Shane - Original Message - From: Britt Priddy (PZGN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Actually - he's right regarding Valves software... they develop on AMD - and compile under AMD - so it makes sense it runs / performs better under AMD. - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 real company like AMD I'm not quite sure where you got that from Considering Intel have more than 80% market share and AMD only have 15% it seems not many people agree with you there. Stop talking shit - it only starts big long threads pointlessly trying to argue the merits of each company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: 23 November 2003 00:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 If you cant run 50 slots on a dual xeon 2.66ghz then your problem is not with valve although they do suck. The problem is you and your server. Next time spend your money on a real company like AMD. Intel is for fan boys who like to ride the bandwagon. AMD crushes Intel in all benchmarks with much lower clock speeds bottom __ Sell your Dual Intel and get a dual AMD. Next Install slackware 9.1 and recompile with 2.6 kernel. After that you should be able to handle up 72 slots - Original Message - From: Marco Balle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Well, we stop renting halflife servers this weekend. New games are ready to rent for us (most Q3 engine, which runs really great). I don't believe Valve (Alfred) is able to fix the cpu issue this year. I think he does everything he can to make the best for it, but we can not run only 50Slots on a Dual Xeon 2,66GHz anymore. So we first drop the CPU hungry HL servers. That's the only way to keep our Server rental alive. The problem is known about many month and nothing is happened to solve this. Maybe the work to solve this problem is too expensive for valve, so we change
RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
http://www.gamers-search.de/ You have to do some playing around in the search area, but I believe its under server overview... D.Batastini -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roach Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Well, we stop renting halflife servers this weekend. New games are ready to rent for us (most Q3 engine, which runs really I recall a website that showed the number of players playing each game... Anyone know of a site, or sites, that do that?? I'm just interested to see where the trend is going Roach ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
Man...is it just me, or has this list gotten stupider and stupider since I started lurking? -- Eric (the Deacon remix) Nelson Marques wrote: Ur a funny guy, and special, I would go calling names into people... but since when does a AMD MP matches a Intel Xeon ? not in this world mate. I will be calling stupid to anyone who tries to relate AMD MP with Intel Xeon, because they are both very different. Just for you information the MP is nothing more than a AMD XP with a couple more of routines for SMP optimization. Xeon is much more than that, try comparing a Lusitan Horse with a mule, it's the same kind of comparison. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
Actually - he's right regarding Valves software... they develop on AMD - and compile under AMD - so it makes sense it runs / performs better under AMD. - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 real company like AMD I'm not quite sure where you got that from Considering Intel have more than 80% market share and AMD only have 15% it seems not many people agree with you there. Stop talking shit - it only starts big long threads pointlessly trying to argue the merits of each company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: 23 November 2003 00:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 If you cant run 50 slots on a dual xeon 2.66ghz then your problem is not with valve although they do suck. The problem is you and your server. Next time spend your money on a real company like AMD. Intel is for fan boys who like to ride the bandwagon. AMD crushes Intel in all benchmarks with much lower clock speeds bottom __ Sell your Dual Intel and get a dual AMD. Next Install slackware 9.1 and recompile with 2.6 kernel. After that you should be able to handle up 72 slots - Original Message - From: Marco Balle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Well, we stop renting halflife servers this weekend. New games are ready to rent for us (most Q3 engine, which runs really great). I don't believe Valve (Alfred) is able to fix the cpu issue this year. I think he does everything he can to make the best for it, but we can not run only 50Slots on a Dual Xeon 2,66GHz anymore. So we first drop the CPU hungry HL servers. That's the only way to keep our Server rental alive. The problem is known about many month and nothing is happened to solve this. Maybe the work to solve this problem is too expensive for valve, so we change our Gameserver offer. I think Alfred did a great job, but he was not able to fix the cpu issue. Don't know why, but I think there is a good reason. So long.. - Marco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mad Scientist Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 According to the great words of Jay Anstiss: Hey folks - could use a bit of help here...I'm about to get back to the thrills of running a CS server again, but I'm unsure which way to go - version 1.5 or 1.6...which do you folks prefer running right now? I've heard lots of bad comments from friends about 1.6 but I've personally not used it. I used to run 1.5 with HLGuard and adminmod - how does this lot work with 1.6? Also, is it true that HLguard doesn't work now since STEAM id's were brought in? I hope we can still set these things up to catch cheats! 1.5 is no longer being supported by Valve, and eventually it will no longer work for Internet play since Valve plans to retire the WON infrastructure. It's really not much of a choice. Personally, if I were starting over, I would go with another game. Right now I still have a fairly large community and I feel bad just turning off their server, although I do plan on migrating slowly to something else once I have selected the new game. I would not invest any new money in Valve's games since they have clearly demonstrated that the server admin community is not important to them. -Mad -- A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. - Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6
Not only are you correct, but the highest bechmarks for most of the intensive applications out there being run on standard equipement are held by AMD 64bit FX systems. Intel has nothing to match pound for pound against the AMD 64bit FX. G5 comes close but no cigar. Itanium 1 or even 2 sorry not a chance. Lets not forget our gamers. If your a true gamer you jerk off to a Dual AMD 64Bit FX system with an ATI 9800 OC, and 4 Gb of mushkin DDR. Sorry but no Intel system is on any gamers dream list at the moment. I dont have favorites, they change month to month according to whose top dog at the moment. Believe me I would never own an AMD pruduct prior to the Thunderbird, or and ATI product prior to the 9700. - Original Message - From: Britt Priddy (PZGN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Actually - he's right regarding Valves software... they develop on AMD - and compile under AMD - so it makes sense it runs / performs better under AMD. - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 real company like AMD I'm not quite sure where you got that from Considering Intel have more than 80% market share and AMD only have 15% it seems not many people agree with you there. Stop talking shit - it only starts big long threads pointlessly trying to argue the merits of each company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: 23 November 2003 00:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 If you cant run 50 slots on a dual xeon 2.66ghz then your problem is not with valve although they do suck. The problem is you and your server. Next time spend your money on a real company like AMD. Intel is for fan boys who like to ride the bandwagon. AMD crushes Intel in all benchmarks with much lower clock speeds bottom __ Sell your Dual Intel and get a dual AMD. Next Install slackware 9.1 and recompile with 2.6 kernel. After that you should be able to handle up 72 slots - Original Message - From: Marco Balle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 Well, we stop renting halflife servers this weekend. New games are ready to rent for us (most Q3 engine, which runs really great). I don't believe Valve (Alfred) is able to fix the cpu issue this year. I think he does everything he can to make the best for it, but we can not run only 50Slots on a Dual Xeon 2,66GHz anymore. So we first drop the CPU hungry HL servers. That's the only way to keep our Server rental alive. The problem is known about many month and nothing is happened to solve this. Maybe the work to solve this problem is too expensive for valve, so we change our Gameserver offer. I think Alfred did a great job, but he was not able to fix the cpu issue. Don't know why, but I think there is a good reason. So long.. - Marco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mad Scientist Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HLDS CS 1.5 or 1.6 According to the great words of Jay Anstiss: Hey folks - could use a bit of help here...I'm about to get back to the thrills of running a CS server again, but I'm unsure which way to go - version 1.5 or 1.6...which do you folks prefer running right now? I've heard lots of bad comments from friends about 1.6 but I've personally not used it. I used to run 1.5 with HLGuard and adminmod - how does this lot work with 1.6? Also, is it true that HLguard doesn't work now since STEAM id's were brought in? I hope we can still set these things up to catch cheats! 1.5 is no longer being supported by Valve, and eventually it will no longer work for Internet play since Valve plans to retire the WON infrastructure. It's really not much of a choice. Personally, if I were starting over, I would go with another game. Right now I still have a fairly large community and I feel bad just turning off their server, although I do plan on migrating slowly to something else once I have selected the new game. I would not invest any new money in Valve's games since they have clearly demonstrated that the server admin community is not important to them. -Mad -- A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. - Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
