Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Typo in your closing html tag On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Ross Bemrose rbemr...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you too lazy to get curl working, I made a quick (5-minute) web form for registering an API key. http://tf2.rbemrose.com/steamreg.html If you don't trust me, feel free to look at the source code. It should be easy since it's 18 lines long of raw HTML with no JavaScript, CSS, or even images. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key= yourkey https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will release an updated Steam Client beta that knows how to migrate favorites. On the client, each favorite has an IP:port and a gameserver account. The account might be empty --- that will of course be the case for all previously
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
For those of you too lazy to get curl working, I made a quick (5-minute) web form for registering an API key. http://tf2.rbemrose.com/steamreg.html If you don't trust me, feel free to look at the source code. It should be easy since it's 18 lines long of raw HTML with no JavaScript, CSS, or even images. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key= yourkey https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will release an updated Steam Client beta that knows how to migrate favorites. On the client, each favorite has an IP:port and a gameserver account. The account might be empty --- that will of course be the case for all previously existing favorites. Periodically, a client will try to sync up the favorites list IP:port addresses and accounts. If there is an IP:port without an associated account, it will ask the master server for information about that
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Good catch, fixed now. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:13 PM, N-Gon ngongamedes...@gmail.com wrote: Typo in your closing html tag On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Ross Bemrose rbemr...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you too lazy to get curl working, I made a quick (5-minute) web form for registering an API key. http://tf2.rbemrose.com/steamreg.html If you don't trust me, feel free to look at the source code. It should be easy since it's 18 lines long of raw HTML with no JavaScript, CSS, or even images. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key= yourkey https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
er... registering a server using an API key for my last post. Whoops. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key= yourkey https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will release an updated Steam Client beta that knows how to migrate favorites. On the client, each favorite has an IP:port and a gameserver account. The account might be empty --- that will of course be the case for all previously existing favorites. Periodically, a client will try to sync up the favorites list IP:port addresses and accounts. If there is an IP:port without an associated account, it will ask the master server for information about that address. If a server is running on that address and logged into an account, the client will record the account. Once the client has an account associated with the favorite, the account becomes the primary key and will not change.
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Now that this is in place, will the future also hold a steam group option like l4d/l4d2 so you can see the servers from that group? Since its easy to find a nice server, but maybe that community has more servers too offer.. it is not easy for a client to find the others only to search on name. 2014-02-06 2:27 GMT+01:00 Chris Oryschak ch...@oryschak.com: Agreed. There's honestly no point in participating in QP if the box isn't unchecked. We can all look at stats the past 2 weeks and realize we get little to no QP players because of this checkbox, now adding all these rules to participate in QP is pointless as it would give us small advantage in helping to populate our servers. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Frank ad...@gamerscrib.net wrote: I agree here, the official servers box needs to be UNCHECKED by default not the other way around. This needs to take effect with the update tomorrow to go ahead and fix this problem as so many have expressed over the last week. This wasn't even mentioned by Fletch in the recent mails tonight or from anyone at Valve over the course of this past week and the countless mails sent thru this mailing list from the majority of owners not happy about it. The data shows it causes issues when left checked by default - just uncheck it and let people decide after the fact. ___ If the default official servers box isn't going to be removed, community servers will still be cut off from the majority of new players, whether they qualify or not. The new guidelines for quickplay also make it impossible for server owners to support or stand out. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Dear VALVe, Thank you for implementing GameServer Accounts. Please sync CSS too. Thanks! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
On 05/02/2014 23:52, Fletcher Dunn wrote: QUESTIONS? Will we be able to blacklist by these new accounts too? I like the idea you can see the map etc (although, for the example of capture the flag, I think you'd be better simply developing some better maps and dropping the ones that suck in the meantime. The ratio of good maps is low. Even the ratio of maps people vote to play on is low to the total. e.g 2fort and doublecross people play and are pretty good maps. 2fort not being nearly as bad as the reputation it has from its abuse at the hands of instant spawn, 32 man, never ending rounds et al. Turbine people want to play even though it sucks. The rest no one wants to play and they're rubbish too. Then you've thrown doomsday onto those servers when it's not even CTF. It means (if we ignore that voting will skew servers towards 2fort and turbine) picked at random, a CTF server will most likely have a crap map running that no one wants to play. If you added turbine pro that'd make 3 maps that people want to play and that are playable in terms of the objectives. Really though I select servers on information that isn't available until after you've joined. Firstly some technical stuff. Servers that mess with rate either forcing it low or high. But, more often things like the time the level has left. Whether the game has scrambled at 2-0 ( usually pointless joining after that) what the class choices are for the teams, what the other players pings are. In other words, I leave a server if it's full of 23 people with 250 ping, all playing sniper and spy after I've joined and / or some subsets of these. After that, you have to play to see and that's really the point at which you should join, not before. For this reason QP doesn't work, because it puts you on a random server and you need to remember which servers you've checked to not join them repeatedly. For sure, this browsing of a subset QP finds may help, but really it would be better if we could simply see the kind of data I've suggested above before joining. (I think the general problem can be shown with an analogy, If you regularly cycle 200km a week on a road bike, when a colleague who has a bike with a basket invites you to ride at the weekend with a group from his church, you probably don't think Yeah, I'll join your ride - because they aren't going to average the 24mph the guys in your sunday club runs do. Similarly, if you take your kids to a track to race you'd expect them to race against their age range. You wouldn't put your 8 year old in the adult race. TF2 lacks the ability to see these different groups except via inference. e.g one explanation for servers full of snipers and spies with no motor control, game sense or clue, would be that there are vast swathes of halfwitted teenagers and adults in Europe and America. Which is perhaps what a lot of people do believe. However, the real explanation is it's young kids playing this game because it is free - The F2P feature added huge amounts of them, but it didn't add any way of filtering each other out. IRL we can do that easily - and to be fair since this is a game, it's not as simple as parameters like level of fitness or age can do for real sports. But F2p competitive games need something. Currently one way to see in TF2 is just to look at the classes the teams are playing - 6 engineers all camping together in the intel room and none of them have more than 5 points each? Kids 7 spies? Kids) Also, I sometimes pick the map based upon what the next map is because I'd prefer a full round, from scratch on a good map. e.g If I, say, like doublecross, and join doublecross servers on average the round will be half way through. Whereas if I join 2fort servers, I will get part of a round of 2fort and a full round of doublecross. Aside from the annoying voting feature messing that up, so knowing what the next map is going to be is often as important as the current one when selecting a server. -- Dan ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
This is one thing I can't stand about the mailing list. VALVE FIX THIS IT'S BROKEN WE DON'T LIKE IT *valve releases fix V1* VALVE THIS FIX IS BAD IT FIXED THE PROBLEM BUT WE DON'T LIKE IT *valve releases fix V2* VALVE WHY DID YOU PUT RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE THAT SOLVE THE ISSUES WE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT NOW WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE WANT Seriously. You guys expect them to be able to fix the problems without changing anything else. I for one think these changes are a good idea. I'm running 3 servers with consistent player counts. I've had no major drops in traffic since the change. Quickplay didn't do much for me as most of my traffic comes from my playerbase. Just build up a community and you wont need to depend on quickplay. Can't fill 15 servers? Cut back to 10 you can fill. Don't complain to Valve that there are servers changing the gameplay in ways you don't like and then when they restrict that complain that now you can't change the gameplay. You may be changing it to a lesser amount, but still. How are they supposed to restrict it for the bad servers yet allow the good servers to do the same things to a lesser extent? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Nomaan Ahmad n0man@gmail.com wrote: Dear VALVe, Thank you for implementing GameServer Accounts. Please sync CSS too. Thanks! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
On 06/02/2014 00:28, Fletcher Dunn wrote: What's the problem with overfull servers? Can you not set visiblemaxplayers to 24 and allow players with reserved slots to join past 24? That sucks for people that want to join a server that has 24 players on it not a dynamic varying increasing number of people. i.e the problem with it in the past was that people abused it to get quickplay players presumably believing that 32 players gave them more advert hits or chances of donations but needing to pretend it was a 24 player server to get players in the first place. Now you're saying there is no penalty for a 32 player server. Fair enough, but there are still QP players selecting '24' in that box, and they don't want the server to turn into a 32 player one after they've joined. -- Dan. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
On 06/02/2014 01:23, Frank wrote: I agree here, the official servers box needs to be UNCHECKED by default not the other way around. This needs to take effect with the update tomorrow to go ahead and fix this problem as so many have expressed over the last week. This wasn't even mentioned by Fletch in the recent mails tonight or from anyone at Valve over the course of this past week and the countless mails sent thru this mailing list from the majority of owners not happy about it. The data shows it causes issues when left checked by default - just uncheck it and let people decide after the fact. It's the players that the game and checkbox is serving, not the admins. It's a rather obvious answer if you ask a group of people whether they want a checkbox filled in that does or doesn't send them players to get the answer they want it so it does send them players - but only because they have nothing other than their own interests at heart. If you could get countless players to care they'd probably change it. Although I've a sneaky suspicion Valve can count better than you have. That said, a lot of you are often moaning about your server bills too. Valve has just halved them if ICS's figures are correct :D -- Dan ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
someone got worked the account creation with https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/?appid=440?key= keyformat=xml 2014-02-06 dan needa...@ntlworld.com: On 06/02/2014 01:23, Frank wrote: I agree here, the official servers box needs to be UNCHECKED by default not the other way around. This needs to take effect with the update tomorrow to go ahead and fix this problem as so many have expressed over the last week. This wasn't even mentioned by Fletch in the recent mails tonight or from anyone at Valve over the course of this past week and the countless mails sent thru this mailing list from the majority of owners not happy about it. The data shows it causes issues when left checked by default - just uncheck it and let people decide after the fact. It's the players that the game and checkbox is serving, not the admins. It's a rather obvious answer if you ask a group of people whether they want a checkbox filled in that does or doesn't send them players to get the answer they want it so it does send them players - but only because they have nothing other than their own interests at heart. If you could get countless players to care they'd probably change it. Although I've a sneaky suspicion Valve can count better than you have. That said, a lot of you are often moaning about your server bills too. Valve has just halved them if ICS's figures are correct :D -- Dan ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
found a way, it can work with curl 2014-02-06 Marcin Lis velt...@gmail.com: Nope.avi Wysłane z iPhone'a Dnia 6 lut 2014 o godz. 16:03 louloubizou louloubi...@gmail.com napisał(a): someone got worked the account creation with https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/?appid=440?key= keyformat=xml 2014-02-06 dan needa...@ntlworld.com: On 06/02/2014 01:23, Frank wrote: I agree here, the official servers box needs to be UNCHECKED by default not the other way around. This needs to take effect with the update tomorrow to go ahead and fix this problem as so many have expressed over the last week. This wasn't even mentioned by Fletch in the recent mails tonight or from anyone at Valve over the course of this past week and the countless mails sent thru this mailing list from the majority of owners not happy about it. The data shows it causes issues when left checked by default - just uncheck it and let people decide after the fact. It's the players that the game and checkbox is serving, not the admins. It's a rather obvious answer if you ask a group of people whether they want a checkbox filled in that does or doesn't send them players to get the answer they want it so it does send them players - but only because they have nothing other than their own interests at heart. If you could get countless players to care they'd probably change it. Although I've a sneaky suspicion Valve can count better than you have. That said, a lot of you are often moaning about your server bills too. Valve has just halved them if ICS's figures are correct :D -- Dan ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Nope.avi Wysłane z iPhone'a Dnia 6 lut 2014 o godz. 16:03 louloubizou louloubi...@gmail.com napisał(a): someone got worked the account creation with https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/?appid=440?key= keyformat=xml 2014-02-06 dan needa...@ntlworld.com: On 06/02/2014 01:23, Frank wrote: I agree here, the official servers box needs to be UNCHECKED by default not the other way around. This needs to take effect with the update tomorrow to go ahead and fix this problem as so many have expressed over the last week. This wasn't even mentioned by Fletch in the recent mails tonight or from anyone at Valve over the course of this past week and the countless mails sent thru this mailing list from the majority of owners not happy about it. The data shows it causes issues when left checked by default - just uncheck it and let people decide after the fact. It's the players that the game and checkbox is serving, not the admins. It's a rather obvious answer if you ask a group of people whether they want a checkbox filled in that does or doesn't send them players to get the answer they want it so it does send them players - but only because they have nothing other than their own interests at heart. If you could get countless players to care they'd probably change it. Although I've a sneaky suspicion Valve can count better than you have. That said, a lot of you are often moaning about your server bills too. Valve has just halved them if ICS's figures are correct :D -- Dan ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
1) Is fine since the player requests the HTML motd to be opened. 2) Is a non issue since if you want to be on Quickplay you won't have any class limits. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Ilya Larin ilya.dem.la...@gmail.comwrote: Since the QuickPlay guide is updated, ive got a couple of questions: 1) I run some plugins which open MOTD window by player requests (console/chat cmds). Will it be considered as malicious mod? 2) I run the modification allowing players to see the class limits obviously, just like if mp_tournament is enabled, with notifying them of limits in HUD (1 (max 3)). Will it be also considered as malicious mod? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Yeah, I ended up doing it on my Linux server console using curl -X POST -d appid=440key=mykeyhere https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ On 2/6/2014 11:21 AM, louloubizou wrote: found a way, it can work with curl 2014-02-06 Marcin Lis velt...@gmail.com: Nope.avi Wysłane z iPhone'a Dnia 6 lut 2014 o godz. 16:03 louloubizou louloubi...@gmail.com napisał(a): someone got worked the account creation with https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/?appid=440?key= keyformat=xml 2014-02-06 dan needa...@ntlworld.com: On 06/02/2014 01:23, Frank wrote: I agree here, the official servers box needs to be UNCHECKED by default not the other way around. This needs to take effect with the update tomorrow to go ahead and fix this problem as so many have expressed over the last week. This wasn't even mentioned by Fletch in the recent mails tonight or from anyone at Valve over the course of this past week and the countless mails sent thru this mailing list from the majority of owners not happy about it. The data shows it causes issues when left checked by default - just uncheck it and let people decide after the fact. It's the players that the game and checkbox is serving, not the admins. It's a rather obvious answer if you ask a group of people whether they want a checkbox filled in that does or doesn't send them players to get the answer they want it so it does send them players - but only because they have nothing other than their own interests at heart. If you could get countless players to care they'd probably change it. Although I've a sneaky suspicion Valve can count better than you have. That said, a lot of you are often moaning about your server bills too. Valve has just halved them if ICS's figures are correct :D -- Dan ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
McKay basically covered the issue I was referring to. In our case (since we don't use a GSP): Servers can spontaneously combust in my experience when set to a maxplayers value over 32. I know 32 player servers aren't officially supported, so that may play a big part of it. Our experiences with this is a bit outdated since we haven't run 32 player servers in this manner for at least 8 months, if not a full year. I'm not sure if it will affect 24 player servers in the same way, but it is a concern. I guess it might be best to just wait and see if the problem still exists. I certainly feel for those using GSPs with this new rule, but I can see why kicking players for reserved slots is considered unacceptable for those servers in the quickplay pool. It was never an ideal solution to begin with. On 2/5/2014 4:28 PM, Fletcher Dunn wrote: What's the problem with overfull servers? Can you not set visiblemaxplayers to 24 and allow players with reserved slots to join past 24? -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Forrester Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:23 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon Oh happy day! Thank you for taking all our concerns to heart and actually fixing quite a few of the problems that have been around for years. I'm actually giddy with the changes. The only thing I can see being an issue now is this: * Kicking players to make room for reserved slots I agree that it's lame to kick players for reserved slots, but there isn't a great method to support reserved slots right now. A long time ago we used to allow reserved slot players to connect when the server was full without kicking anyone (ex: 25/24 players), but srcds seemed to have issues with greater than 24 players. Are there any plans to support over-full servers like this? I think the donor-based communities are probably the ones with the most contributions to the TF2 community as a whole, and they're the ones that tend to give out reserved slots as incentive to donate. Some legitimate way to allow reserved slots without hurting quickplay eligibility would be /very/ nice. All in all, amazing update Fletcher. I'm glad to see the QP issues being addressed, and the gameserver accounts becoming a reality. -- Jake Forrester Owner / Web Developer FirePowered LLC w: https://firepoweredgaming.com e: j...@ranndesigns.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
This is great news! I asked Alfred about such a feature a year ago and he said it was under development but didnt know when it was due to release! I am really happy that you guys have put an effort in it and are now releasing it! Good Job! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark Warzone Short Valley On 2014-02-06 00:52, Fletcher Dunn wrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=yourkeyhttps://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will release an updated Steam Client beta that knows how to migrate favorites. On the client, each favorite has an IP:port and a gameserver account. The account might be empty --- that will of course be the case for all previously existing favorites. Periodically, a client will try to sync up the favorites list IP:port addresses and accounts. If there is an IP:port without an associated account, it will ask the master server for information about that address. If a server is running on that address and logged into an account, the client
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Definitely looking forward to the gameserver accounts! Off to https post... On 2/5/2014 6:03 PM, Rikard Bremark wrote: This is great news! I asked Alfred about such a feature a year ago and he said it was under development but didnt know when it was due to release! I am really happy that you guys have put an effort in it and are now releasing it! Good Job! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark Warzone Short Valley On 2014-02-06 00:52, Fletcher Dunn wrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=yourkeyhttps://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will release an updated Steam Client beta that knows how to migrate favorites. On the client, each favorite has an IP:port and a gameserver account. The account might be empty --- that will of course be the case for all previously existing favorites. Periodically, a client will try to sync up the favorites list IP:port addresses and accounts. If there is an IP:port without an associated account, it will
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Thank you so much for these changes! An updated QuickPlay experience and guidelines are exactly what we needed, and the Steam-managed accounts is a special bonus. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, The Wave thew...@thewaveserver.com wrote: Definitely looking forward to the gameserver accounts! Off to https post... On 2/5/2014 6:03 PM, Rikard Bremark wrote: This is great news! I asked Alfred about such a feature a year ago and he said it was under development but didnt know when it was due to release! I am really happy that you guys have put an effort in it and are now releasing it! Good Job! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark Warzone Short Valley On 2014-02-06 00:52, Fletcher Dunn wrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/ GetAccountList/v0001/?key=yourkeyhttps://api.steampowered.com/ IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will release an updated Steam Client beta that knows how to migrate favorites. On the client, each favorite has an IP:port and a gameserver
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Oh happy day! Thank you for taking all our concerns to heart and actually fixing quite a few of the problems that have been around for years. I'm actually giddy with the changes. The only thing I can see being an issue now is this: * Kicking players to make room for reserved slots I agree that it's lame to kick players for reserved slots, but there isn't a great method to support reserved slots right now. A long time ago we used to allow reserved slot players to connect when the server was full without kicking anyone (ex: 25/24 players), but srcds seemed to have issues with greater than 24 players. Are there any plans to support over-full servers like this? I think the donor-based communities are probably the ones with the most contributions to the TF2 community as a whole, and they're the ones that tend to give out reserved slots as incentive to donate. Some legitimate way to allow reserved slots without hurting quickplay eligibility would be /very/ nice. All in all, amazing update Fletcher. I'm glad to see the QP issues being addressed, and the gameserver accounts becoming a reality. -- Jake Forrester Owner / Web Developer FirePowered LLC w: https://firepoweredgaming.com e: j...@ranndesigns.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Thank you so much! I hope these clarified rules get enforced. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, The Wave thew...@thewaveserver.com wrote: Definitely looking forward to the gameserver accounts! Off to https post... On 2/5/2014 6:03 PM, Rikard Bremark wrote: This is great news! I asked Alfred about such a feature a year ago and he said it was under development but didnt know when it was due to release! I am really happy that you guys have put an effort in it and are now releasing it! Good Job! -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark Warzone Short Valley On 2014-02-06 00:52, Fletcher Dunn wrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/ GetAccountList/v0001/?key=yourkeyhttps://api.steampowered.com/ IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will release an updated Steam Client beta that knows how to migrate favorites. On the client, each favorite has an IP:port and a gameserver account. The account might be empty --- that will of course be the case for all previously existing
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
What's the problem with overfull servers? Can you not set visiblemaxplayers to 24 and allow players with reserved slots to join past 24? -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Forrester Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:23 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon Oh happy day! Thank you for taking all our concerns to heart and actually fixing quite a few of the problems that have been around for years. I'm actually giddy with the changes. The only thing I can see being an issue now is this: * Kicking players to make room for reserved slots I agree that it's lame to kick players for reserved slots, but there isn't a great method to support reserved slots right now. A long time ago we used to allow reserved slot players to connect when the server was full without kicking anyone (ex: 25/24 players), but srcds seemed to have issues with greater than 24 players. Are there any plans to support over-full servers like this? I think the donor-based communities are probably the ones with the most contributions to the TF2 community as a whole, and they're the ones that tend to give out reserved slots as incentive to donate. Some legitimate way to allow reserved slots without hurting quickplay eligibility would be /very/ nice. All in all, amazing update Fletcher. I'm glad to see the QP issues being addressed, and the gameserver accounts becoming a reality. -- Jake Forrester Owner / Web Developer FirePowered LLC w: https://firepoweredgaming.com e: j...@ranndesigns.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Actually, I'll just post the entire list of things not allowed in QuickPlay according to the new FAQ: * Opening a MOTD window (hidden or visible) that is not requested * Forcing clients to view the MOTD until a timer has expired * Giving or selling gameplay advantage to players * Kicking players to make room for reserved slots * Modifying stock maps, models, or materials * Running non-default game modes: prop hunt, dodgeball, etc * Enforcing class limits * Browser popups * Granting or modifying economy items, or taking actions that devalue players' items, or interfering with the TF2 economy On 2/5/2014 6:52 PM, Fletcher Dunn wrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=yourkeyhttps://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the one that determines quickplay eligibility, and the Steam one does favorites migration. Eventually we will remove the TF accounts and only use Steam gameserver accounts. HOW FAVORITES MIGRATION WORKS: In the next few days we will release an updated Steam Client beta that knows how to migrate favorites. On the client, each favorite has an IP:port and a gameserver account. The account might be empty --- that will of course be the case for all previously
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
What about on 32 player servers? On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote: What's the problem with overfull servers? Can you not set visiblemaxplayers to 24 and allow players with reserved slots to join past 24? -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Forrester Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:23 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon Oh happy day! Thank you for taking all our concerns to heart and actually fixing quite a few of the problems that have been around for years. I'm actually giddy with the changes. The only thing I can see being an issue now is this: * Kicking players to make room for reserved slots I agree that it's lame to kick players for reserved slots, but there isn't a great method to support reserved slots right now. A long time ago we used to allow reserved slot players to connect when the server was full without kicking anyone (ex: 25/24 players), but srcds seemed to have issues with greater than 24 players. Are there any plans to support over-full servers like this? I think the donor-based communities are probably the ones with the most contributions to the TF2 community as a whole, and they're the ones that tend to give out reserved slots as incentive to donate. Some legitimate way to allow reserved slots without hurting quickplay eligibility would be /very/ nice. All in all, amazing update Fletcher. I'm glad to see the QP issues being addressed, and the gameserver accounts becoming a reality. -- Jake Forrester Owner / Web Developer FirePowered LLC w: https://firepoweredgaming.com e: j...@ranndesigns.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Granting or modifying economy items, or taking actions that devalue players' items, or interfering with the TF2 economy Fletch, is the converse here true? Are server ops allowed to modify economy items if we're not a quickplay server? If so, can/will the clientside restriction on visible wearables be lifted on non-quickplay servers? On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Ross Bemrose rbemr...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I'll just post the entire list of things not allowed in QuickPlay according to the new FAQ: * Opening a MOTD window (hidden or visible) that is not requested * Forcing clients to view the MOTD until a timer has expired * Giving or selling gameplay advantage to players * Kicking players to make room for reserved slots * Modifying stock maps, models, or materials * Running non-default game modes: prop hunt, dodgeball, etc * Enforcing class limits * Browser popups * Granting or modifying economy items, or taking actions that devalue players' items, or interfering with the TF2 economy On 2/5/2014 6:52 PM, Fletcher Dunn wrote: There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about. CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY --- The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay: * Show servers button. This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick. This gives players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over the map, server community, etc. * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and instant respawn. There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't. At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers. However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since Valve servers do not run with these settings. We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of server modifications are allowed in quickplay: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS - Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature. The feature is currently in beta. Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present. This means that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new location. CREATING AN ACCOUNT: Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI. (Remember, this feature is currently in beta. We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.) Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/ The POST arguments should be: appid=440 (for Team Fortress) key=your WebAPIKey your WebAPIKey is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to get one of these. (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret. This key is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do certain actions on your behalf. Don't feed the key into anybody's nice convenient web page that automates this. With your WebAPI key they could impersonate you for some actions. If you don't want to go through the pain of making a WebAPI call, just wait until we have a nicer interface implemented.) The output of the WebAPI will be the (permanent) SteamID of your gameserver, and a login token. The login token is a random string of text that allows you to actually login to your account. You can view a list of the servers owned by a user account by making a HTTPS GET call to: https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/ GetAccountList/v0001/?key=yourkeyhttps://api.steampowered.com/ IGameServersService/GetAccountList/v0001/?key=%3cyourkey LOGGING IN TO YOUR ACCOUNT (TF only for now): Once you have a gameserver login token, you can specify your login credentials on a Source engine server by executing this console command sometime before it loads the first map: sv_setsteamaccount login token The server output should make it clear when you are using a Steam gameserver account and when you are logging in anonymously. (The ordinary gameserver login that has always been used.) Remember, for now you will need to login to both your Steam gameserver account and also your TF account. The two accounts are not related. The TF account is the
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Servers can spontaneously combust in my experience when set to a maxplayers value over 32. Plus many people are on GSPs that charge per slot, so paying an extra few dollars for the ability for donors to connect nicely is a bit of a waste, especially when hosting multiple servers. Servers with many donors can possibly have more than 4 people using reserved slots at a time, so to ensure that donors can always connect, you'd need to pay for 4 extra slots. Dr. McKay www.doctormckay.com On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote: What's the problem with overfull servers? Can you not set visiblemaxplayers to 24 and allow players with reserved slots to join past 24? -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Forrester Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:23 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon Oh happy day! Thank you for taking all our concerns to heart and actually fixing quite a few of the problems that have been around for years. I'm actually giddy with the changes. The only thing I can see being an issue now is this: * Kicking players to make room for reserved slots I agree that it's lame to kick players for reserved slots, but there isn't a great method to support reserved slots right now. A long time ago we used to allow reserved slot players to connect when the server was full without kicking anyone (ex: 25/24 players), but srcds seemed to have issues with greater than 24 players. Are there any plans to support over-full servers like this? I think the donor-based communities are probably the ones with the most contributions to the TF2 community as a whole, and they're the ones that tend to give out reserved slots as incentive to donate. Some legitimate way to allow reserved slots without hurting quickplay eligibility would be /very/ nice. All in all, amazing update Fletcher. I'm glad to see the QP issues being addressed, and the gameserver accounts becoming a reality. -- Jake Forrester Owner / Web Developer FirePowered LLC w: https://firepoweredgaming.com e: j...@ranndesigns.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
There are several problems with this. With all the new strict guidelines that looks like a laundry list of complaints from SPUF, people are eventually going to whine about the server expanding beyond 24 slots. Then if a server is completely full then are admins blocked from managing their servers just to be on quickplay? Not every situation can be handled by using the console. And then there is the pay-by-slot issue. I am thankful that there is an attempt at a compromise but frankly it is quite underwhelming. If the default official servers box isn't going to be removed, community servers will still be cut off from the majority of new players, whether they qualify or not. The new guidelines for quickplay also make it impossible for server owners to support or stand out. - Opening a MOTD window (hidden or visible) that is not requested I don't see what the point of this is when the MOTD has been disabled for quickplay players. Does this mean we can't even show the MOTD to non-quickplay players when they connect? - Giving or selling gameplay advantage to players We don't give people bonus HP and damage, but what about things like autobalance immunity, the ability to swap teams, or even humiliation immunity? Seriously, I had someone argue those were gameplay advantages. - Granting or modifying economy items, or taking actions that devalue players' items, or interfering with the TF2 economy This means that donator or frequent player effects are out even though it doesn't change the gameplay? All I see here is that Valve is making it impossible for quickplay servers to support and distinguish themselves, getting rid of the most commonly accepted server benefits that have been offered since CS. And the official server opt-in that is the source of all the recent player loss is still unchanged. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Fletcher Dunn fletch...@valvesoftware.comwrote: What's the problem with overfull servers? Can you not set visiblemaxplayers to 24 and allow players with reserved slots to join past 24? -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Forrester Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:23 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon Oh happy day! Thank you for taking all our concerns to heart and actually fixing quite a few of the problems that have been around for years. I'm actually giddy with the changes. The only thing I can see being an issue now is this: * Kicking players to make room for reserved slots I agree that it's lame to kick players for reserved slots, but there isn't a great method to support reserved slots right now. A long time ago we used to allow reserved slot players to connect when the server was full without kicking anyone (ex: 25/24 players), but srcds seemed to have issues with greater than 24 players. Are there any plans to support over-full servers like this? I think the donor-based communities are probably the ones with the most contributions to the TF2 community as a whole, and they're the ones that tend to give out reserved slots as incentive to donate. Some legitimate way to allow reserved slots without hurting quickplay eligibility would be /very/ nice. All in all, amazing update Fletcher. I'm glad to see the QP issues being addressed, and the gameserver accounts becoming a reality. -- Jake Forrester Owner / Web Developer FirePowered LLC w: https://firepoweredgaming.com e: j...@ranndesigns.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
I agree here, the official servers box needs to be UNCHECKED by default not the other way around. This needs to take effect with the update tomorrow to go ahead and fix this problem as so many have expressed over the last week. This wasn't even mentioned by Fletch in the recent mails tonight or from anyone at Valve over the course of this past week and the countless mails sent thru this mailing list from the majority of owners not happy about it. The data shows it causes issues when left checked by default - just uncheck it and let people decide after the fact. ___ If the default official servers box isn't going to be removed, community servers will still be cut off from the majority of new players, whether they qualify or not. The new guidelines for quickplay also make it impossible for server owners to support or stand out. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
Agreed. There's honestly no point in participating in QP if the box isn't unchecked. We can all look at stats the past 2 weeks and realize we get little to no QP players because of this checkbox, now adding all these rules to participate in QP is pointless as it would give us small advantage in helping to populate our servers. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Frank ad...@gamerscrib.net wrote: I agree here, the official servers box needs to be UNCHECKED by default not the other way around. This needs to take effect with the update tomorrow to go ahead and fix this problem as so many have expressed over the last week. This wasn't even mentioned by Fletch in the recent mails tonight or from anyone at Valve over the course of this past week and the countless mails sent thru this mailing list from the majority of owners not happy about it. The data shows it causes issues when left checked by default - just uncheck it and let people decide after the fact. ___ If the default official servers box isn't going to be removed, community servers will still be cut off from the majority of new players, whether they qualify or not. The new guidelines for quickplay also make it impossible for server owners to support or stand out. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
