Re: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
I still haven't fixed this problem. Ironicly, the people who complain about the choke are the ones that are using LAN Settings on internet (e.g. cl_cmdrate 101; cl_updaterate 101; rate 2;). I've even tried setting sv_maxrate to 0 to see if it would help, and it doens't seem to do much. Actually, do I need to reconnect before an sv_maxrate change will take effect, or is it instantaneous? --- Andrew A. Chen Divo Networks On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Oscar wrote: > I don't know if you ever solved this problem but this might be worth a shot. > > We had some small problems with choke a long time ago. The solution to get rid > of the choke (for us at least) was to increase the sv_maxrate on the server and > the rate on the client. > We also noticed that an decreased value of cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate on the > client lowered the choke... > > /Oscar, www.bhood.nu > > Quoting "Andrew A. Chen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I've personally tried setting it to '0' with little to no change. > > > > --- > > Andrew A. Chen > > Divo Networks > > > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Simon Garner wrote: > > > > > Eric (Deacon) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > FWIW, it sounds to me like you have your maxrate set to low to > > > > accomadate the high updaterates of the players, which results in > > > > choke. It would be interesting to jack maxrate up to like 15000 for a > > > > week to see if people say it's all better or what. > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, that's true I suppose. Worth a try :) > > > > > > I'm pretty sure I've tried removing it before and it didn't help though. > > > Can't remember now. > > > > > > -Simon > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > > visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > /Mvh Oscar > > > This mail was sent from www.bhood.nu > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
I don't know if you ever solved this problem but this might be worth a shot. We had some small problems with choke a long time ago. The solution to get rid of the choke (for us at least) was to increase the sv_maxrate on the server and the rate on the client. We also noticed that an decreased value of cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate on the client lowered the choke... /Oscar, www.bhood.nu Quoting "Andrew A. Chen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've personally tried setting it to '0' with little to no change. > > --- > Andrew A. Chen > Divo Networks > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Simon Garner wrote: > > > Eric (Deacon) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, it sounds to me like you have your maxrate set to low to > > > accomadate the high updaterates of the players, which results in > > > choke. It would be interesting to jack maxrate up to like 15000 for a > > > week to see if people say it's all better or what. > > > > > > > Hmm, that's true I suppose. Worth a try :) > > > > I'm pretty sure I've tried removing it before and it didn't help though. > > Can't remember now. > > > > -Simon > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > /Mvh Oscar This mail was sent from www.bhood.nu ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
I've personally tried setting it to '0' with little to no change. --- Andrew A. Chen Divo Networks On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Simon Garner wrote: > Eric (Deacon) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > FWIW, it sounds to me like you have your maxrate set to low to > > accomadate the high updaterates of the players, which results in > > choke. It would be interesting to jack maxrate up to like 15000 for a > > week to see if people say it's all better or what. > > > > Hmm, that's true I suppose. Worth a try :) > > I'm pretty sure I've tried removing it before and it didn't help though. > Can't remember now. > > -Simon > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
> Youre not just a pretty face afterall! :P I'm so much more :) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 14:26, Eric (Deacon) wrote: > FWIW, it sounds to me like you have your maxrate set to low to > accomadate the high updaterates of the players, which results in choke. > It would be interesting to jack maxrate up to like 15000 for a week to > see if people say it's all better or what. Well flock me... Youre not just a pretty face afterall! :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
Eric (Deacon) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FWIW, it sounds to me like you have your maxrate set to low to > accomadate the high updaterates of the players, which results in > choke. It would be interesting to jack maxrate up to like 15000 for a > week to see if people say it's all better or what. > Hmm, that's true I suppose. Worth a try :) I'm pretty sure I've tried removing it before and it didn't help though. Can't remember now. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
> From what you're saying, the only reason I can see for this is > that the other servers have a low sv_maxupdaterate set, while > ours is the default (60). Unfortunately this cvar is not > exported as a server rule to browsers so I can't see what > theirs is. I think this is unlikely though, as the servers I'm > comparing with don't even have an sv_maxrate set (we have 8000 > - that wouldn't be the culprit would it?). FWIW, it sounds to me like you have your maxrate set to low to accomadate the high updaterates of the players, which results in choke. It would be interesting to jack maxrate up to like 15000 for a week to see if people say it's all better or what. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
Leon Hartwig wrote: There is no connection whatsoever between choke and actual bandwidth bandwidth limitations of either clients or the server. Choke is directly related to a client's game "rate" setting, OK... but then what happens if a client has set his rate to higher then what his real world bandwidth is? Wouldn't that also create choke? -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] cause of choke
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:05:17 -0800 (PST), "Andrew A. Chen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello- >So I was reading over http://www.geekboys.org/docs/netcode2.php. It >explains (in a general sense) as to what choke is and the fundamental >reason for it happening. What I'm interested in, however, is if choke can >still occur when there is more than sufficient bandwidth on a connection >or not. > >e.g. what network conditions can cause choke, assuming that there is no >network saturation? > >Also, is there a case where the half-life server itself can add choke to a >game with certain settings? Thanks. There is no connection whatsoever between choke and actual bandwidth bandwidth limitations of either clients or the server. Choke is directly related to a client's game "rate" setting, which each client requests individually based on its own setting, but subject to your server's sv_minrate and sv_maxrate values. If the server would like to send a client some data but cannot because sending more data at that time would overrun the client's rate setting (because of a low rate setting, or lots of stuff going on in the server, or the client's updaterate being too high, whatever), then that client gets choke for that server frame. As an internet server op, if you want to reduce choke and at the same time lower the CPU usage of your server (depending on how many of your clients typically raise their cl_updaterate value from the default of 20), make sure to set sv_maxupdaterate to 20. As a LAN server op, hang tight for the next release where you can control the standard rate of all clients in the LAN environment...and/or follow the above suggestion. :) Thus ends my monthly contribution. There should be an official FAQ for a lot of this stuff. What's that you say? That's my job? Er...I have some important business to attend to... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
