Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
Sounds good to me. Anyone objecting DIstribution Manager ? If not I will consider this terminology. Yours, Daniel On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 5:11 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > Daniel Migault wrote: > > "Distribution Primary" is probably my preferred alternative as the > > replacement of Master by Primary makes a smooth transition from what > is > > currently used. If that is fine with everyone I will update the > > document with it as well as the DHCP option draft. If not feel free > to > > provide a better alternative. > > I'm okay with that, but would list "Distribution Manager" as a nice TLA > preserving of "DM" > > -- > Michael Richardson. o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) >Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > > > > > -- Daniel Migault Ericsson ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
Daniel Migault wrote: > "Distribution Primary" is probably my preferred alternative as the > replacement of Master by Primary makes a smooth transition from what is > currently used. If that is fine with everyone I will update the > document with it as well as the DHCP option draft. If not feel free to > provide a better alternative. I'm okay with that, but would list "Distribution Manager" as a nice TLA preserving of "DM" -- Michael Richardson. o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
"Distribution Primary" is probably my preferred alternative as the replacement of Master by Primary makes a smooth transition from what is currently used. If that is fine with everyone I will update the document with it as well as the DHCP option draft. If not feel free to provide a better alternative. Yours, Daniel On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 1:16 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 6. May 2021, at 00:06, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > > > > Ole Troan wrote: > >> Is this the same as a hidden primary name server? > > > > That's Stealth Primary. > > The DM is not a stealth primary, because it's not primary. > > It hasn't got the DNSSEC signing keys, for instance. > > Distribution hub > Distribution leader > Distribution manager > Distribution head > Distribution director > Distribution controller > Distribution governor > Distribution center > Distribution central > > Grüße, Carsten > > ___ > homenet mailing list > homenet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet > -- Daniel Migault Ericsson ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
On 6. May 2021, at 00:06, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > Ole Troan wrote: >> Is this the same as a hidden primary name server? > > That's Stealth Primary. > The DM is not a stealth primary, because it's not primary. > It hasn't got the DNSSEC signing keys, for instance. Distribution hub Distribution leader Distribution manager Distribution head Distribution director Distribution controller Distribution governor Distribution center Distribution central Grüße, Carsten ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
Ole Troan wrote: > Is this the same as a hidden primary name server? That's Stealth Primary. The DM is not a stealth primary, because it's not primary. It hasn't got the DNSSEC signing keys, for instance. >> On 5 May 2021, at 21:09, Michael Richardson >> wrote: >> >> Ted Lemon wrote: On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to invent another term. So, if the DNS anycast operator has another term, then I'd go with it. >> >>> Authority database? >> >> I thought that you were asking who was an authoritive database of >> operators. Then I understood that you are suggesting "authority >> database" as the term. >> >> Some ascii art, (so pick a sensible mono-spaced font, or use the >> archive link): >> >> .-. .-. | S P | ---> | D M |\---\--\ `-' >> `-' | | | V V V .-. .. .. | Sec | | Sec| |Sec | >> `-' `' `' >> >> S.P. = Stealth Primary Sec = Secondary D M = Distribution M* >> >> Note that the "DM" is usually not listed as an NS, but rather, two or >> more "Sec" are what is listed. >> >> So, maybe "Distribution Authority" would make us both happy. >> >> -- >> Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting >> ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide >> ___ homenet mailing list >> homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
Or “Distribution Primary?” I think given this chart that “Distribution Authority” is less clear, since the real authority is the stealth primary. > On May 5, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > Ted Lemon wrote: >> On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson >> wrote: >>> 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to >>> invent another term. So, if the DNS anycast operator has another >>> term, then I'd go with it. > >> Authority database? > > I thought that you were asking who was an authoritive database of operators. > Then I understood that you are suggesting "authority database" as the term. > > Some ascii art, (so pick a sensible mono-spaced font, or use the archive > link): > > .-. .-. > | S P | ---> | D M |\---\--\ > `-' `-'| | | >V V V > .-. .. .. > | Sec | | Sec| |Sec | > `-' `' `' > > S.P. = Stealth Primary > Sec = Secondary > D M = Distribution M* > > Note that the "DM" is usually not listed as an NS, but rather, > two or more "Sec" are what is listed. > > So, maybe "Distribution Authority" would make us both happy. > > -- > Michael Richardson. o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
Is this the same as a hidden primary name server? Cheers Ole > On 5 May 2021, at 21:09, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > Ted Lemon wrote: >>> On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson >>> wrote: >>> 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to >>> invent another term. So, if the DNS anycast operator has another >>> term, then I'd go with it. > >> Authority database? > > I thought that you were asking who was an authoritive database of operators. > Then I understood that you are suggesting "authority database" as the term. > > Some ascii art, (so pick a sensible mono-spaced font, or use the archive > link): > > .-. .-. > | S P | ---> | D M |\---\--\ > `-' `-'| | | >V V V > .-. .. .. > | Sec | | Sec| |Sec | > `-' `' `' > > S.P. = Stealth Primary > Sec = Secondary > D M = Distribution M* > > Note that the "DM" is usually not listed as an NS, but rather, > two or more "Sec" are what is listed. > > So, maybe "Distribution Authority" would make us both happy. > > -- > Michael Richardson. o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > ___ > homenet mailing list > homenet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
Ted Lemon wrote: > On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson > wrote: >> 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to >> invent another term. So, if the DNS anycast operator has another >> term, then I'd go with it. > Authority database? I thought that you were asking who was an authoritive database of operators. Then I understood that you are suggesting "authority database" as the term. Some ascii art, (so pick a sensible mono-spaced font, or use the archive link): .-. .-. | S P | ---> | D M |\---\--\ `-' `-'| | | V V V .-. .. .. | Sec | | Sec| |Sec | `-' `' `' S.P. = Stealth Primary Sec = Secondary D M = Distribution M* Note that the "DM" is usually not listed as an NS, but rather, two or more "Sec" are what is listed. So, maybe "Distribution Authority" would make us both happy. -- Michael Richardson. o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to invent > another term. So, if the DNS anycast operator has another term, then > I'd go with it. Authority database? RFC 8499 appears to have deprecated the term “master” to some extent, although it’s not perfect. “Master server” just says “see Primary Server.” The server on the home router really is the primary authoritative server for the zone from a DNS perspective, even if it doesn’t show up in a public NS record. FWIW I fully support using different terminology. ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > I'm hoping not to start divisive discussion, but think it's better to > discuss inside the WG rather than wait until IETF LC. > Might the authors consider whether a word other than "Master" could be > used in the terms Distribution Master, Reverse Distribution Master, Yes, the authors discussed this at length, and we actually reached out to quite a number of people for the terminology. There were even emails on this ML, I think. 1) DM is a term used in the DNS operational community. It's not ubiquitous, but it is understood in many of the anycast DNS groups. 2) The term "stealth primary" is also used, but according to how it is used, that term would apply to the HNA, not the DM function. 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to invent another term. So, if the DNS anycast operator has another term, then I'd go with it. > Perhaps "Primary" could be used? Or something else? Nope, because that's confusing in the DNS space. It's not a primary. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works|IoT architect [ ] m...@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/| ruby on rails[ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
[homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"
I'm hoping not to start divisive discussion, but think it's better to discuss inside the WG rather than wait until IETF LC. Might the authors consider whether a word other than "Master" could be used in the terms Distribution Master, Reverse Distribution Master, Distribution/Distributed Master Option [BTW, I notice that there are several instances of the "Distributed" instead of "Distribution" in the DHC option draft], Reverse Distribution Master Option, OPTION_DIST_MASTER, OPTION_REVERSE_DIST_MASTER? Perhaps "Primary" could be used? Or something else? If anyone needs context for my comment, I'm happy to provide it. Otherwise, I'll just leave it at this request for the authors to consider this question. Thx, Barbara ___ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
