Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha Hans Reread
You can, but are you doing it ?? How about the profit left then ? Arent you (means the factories or share holders) just looking for high profit ? .. "Leonard & Peggy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Many Americans still consider Japanese parts better than American. This > started back in the 70s and 80s when the imported cars from Japan and > Germany ran so well and were so much better made. I think those days are > over and we can make anything as well, but we had our eyes opened. > > LB > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
If you check my message, you find that I wrote (Yamaha) in brackets to remind the readers about your assumption, that it was Yamahas philosophy (perhaps). ... . "J. Kosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Just to clarify... the email I sent to Hans Pizka was marked as a PRIVATE > EMAIL, and was not posted to the list. > > Also, I DID NOT write the quoted section below - I certainly believe that > reliable and high quality parts CAN be made in the USA. > My comment to Hans was that perhaps the Yamaha quality-control people in > Japan CHOOSE to use parts that are made in Japan so they are sure of the > quality of those parts. > > I agree with Hans that it is more likely that there are economic reasons > for having part manufacturing done at a single location (Japan), and that > quality-control (of USA parts) might not be the primary reason. > > Jay Kosta > Endwell NY USA > - > At 08:55 PM 11/24/2002 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >... > >Jay had some arguments about "parts being not so reliable if produced in > the USA instead of Japan" (Yamaha). Jay, you have no practical ideas. It > were mere nonsense & wrong investment policy by Yamaha, to have two sets of > tools or mandrels for every part for every model, just to produce parts in > Japan & in the USA or in Europe (a third set perhaps). And the amortisation > of these tools works only, if these machines run & run & run, not running > one day to produce the necessary parts for a full month & stand still the > other four working days. > >... > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
As I said, factory quality. No wonder about the rotor problems .. cylindrical too .. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > In a message dated 11/24/2002 2:56:36 PM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I know how much I pay for the valve section without the slides > > True, I pay over $1000 for a Meinlschmidt valve section. But if one checks > the price list in the Holton parts catalogue, the price for one rotor > assemble and casing is $100 dealer cost or $50 to make. A Farkas bell, dealer > cost is about $250, or $125 to make.So on down the line. > > Wes (giving out more retail info than I should be) Hatch > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
Just to clarify... the email I sent to Hans Pizka was marked as a PRIVATE EMAIL, and was not posted to the list. Also, I DID NOT write the quoted section below - I certainly believe that reliable and high quality parts CAN be made in the USA. My comment to Hans was that perhaps the Yamaha quality-control people in Japan CHOOSE to use parts that are made in Japan so they are sure of the quality of those parts. I agree with Hans that it is more likely that there are economic reasons for having part manufacturing done at a single location (Japan), and that quality-control (of USA parts) might not be the primary reason. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA - At 08:55 PM 11/24/2002 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >... >Jay had some arguments about "parts being not so reliable if produced in the USA instead of Japan" (Yamaha). Jay, you have no practical ideas. It were mere nonsense & wrong investment policy by Yamaha, to have two sets of tools or mandrels for every part for every model, just to produce parts in Japan & in the USA or in Europe (a third set perhaps). And the amortisation of these tools works only, if these machines run & run & run, not running one day to produce the necessary parts for a full month & stand still the other four working days. >... ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Yamaha Hans Reread
Prof Pizka writes: Do you still think, Japanese factories of quality products produce junk par= ts ? Their failure factor is the same as everywhere in the industrialized = world, if not less. Do not make the mistake, thinking about other nations p= roducts as if they had not improved things during the last 30 or 40 years. .=2E... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > In a message dated 11/23/2002 4:00:33 PM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Tax advantage &cheaper labour costs ! > > > > Also, control of the quality and consistancy of the parts going to make t= he > instruments in Grand Rapids. > > Wes Prof. Pizka, I think we all know how good Japan is at making parts. If you reread Wes's comments above I think you will see that he is saying the consistency of the parts are controlled by Yama because they are making them in Japan. Not the parts MADE in Grand Rapids but the parts Used in Grand Rapids. Many Americans still consider Japanese parts better than American. This started back in the 70s and 80s when the imported cars from Japan and Germany ran so well and were so much better made. I think those days are over and we can make anything as well, but we had our eyes opened. LB ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry hans, that email was from October, and somehow I just got it??? -William ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Re:Verdi
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hans, I think I've found one person in the world who has less tact than I do. *Hands Hans the Sarcastic Congeniality Award* -William In a message dated 10/28/2002 9:36:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj:Re: [Hornlist] Re:Verdi > Date:10/28/2002 9:36:12 PM Pacific Standard Time > From:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-to:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet > > > > Why do you play music at all ? > ... > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > In a message dated 10/28/02 1:01:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > If you get tired with the afterbeats, friends = > > > on the list, it is your fault, only your fault, as you see the music > from > > y= > > > our very narrow horizon of your part. Listen to the wonderful melodies > of > > t= > > > he singers, as Paul just said, and enjoy this superbn music. > > > > Oh, I know a lot of people are transported into ecstasy by the music > of > > Verdi, but in my personal opinion, I've never much liked the music of > Verdi > > and I invite any and all abuse from those who think I must be wrong about > > that. As they say, one man's meat is another man's poisson. Perhaps if > it > > had motorcycles in it... > > By the way, I think I'm probably one of the minority of people who > very > > much enjoy playing afterbeats. There is so much that can be done > > stylistically with them and we were lucky to have had a conductor for > this > > Trovatore who paid some attention to them. It makes a pleasant > difference. > > Meanwhile, I pay attention to everything and would have greatly enjoyed > the > > singing if the music didn't bother me so much. > > -Steve > > ___ > > Horn mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > > > > -- > Prof.Hans Pizka > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 > http://www.pizka.de (horn site) > http://www.pizka-music.com (publications) - open soon > http://www.pizka-horn.com (instruments, mouthpieces) - open soon > http://www.pizka-travel.com (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) > - open soon > > mail is virus checked > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In a message dated 11/24/2002 2:56:36 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I know how much I pay for the valve section without the slides True, I pay over $1000 for a Meinlschmidt valve section. But if one checks the price list in the Holton parts catalogue, the price for one rotor assemble and casing is $100 dealer cost or $50 to make. A Farkas bell, dealer cost is about $250, or $125 to make.So on down the line. Wes (giving out more retail info than I should be) Hatch ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In a message dated 11/24/2002 2:56:36 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But tell me, how Holton can produce a double horn for $ 1.000.- ? The operation sheets at Holton allow for a Farkas horn to be built in 24 man hours from the first screw made to the final testing. When they buy raw materials by the hundreds of pounds they do get a bit of a cost break. Many of the machines at Holton are quite old, and much of the manufacture is done by hand. Holton produces about 4000 french horns per year, a lot of valves.Making 600 sets with out a tool change may have been an exageration, but it is pretty close. Wes ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
You said some things, which are absolutely true except in details. You should show me a cutting tool, which holds for 600 valve sets. No way. The good old masters, who work here in Germany, use very good machines, but do not make mass production. So they have time to re-adjust the tools, to re-sharpen them. But they do not use them for six hundred sets. They dont make that many in a year - speaking of valve makers. The good makers throw trash to trash if a part is broken or otherwise wrong. The big problem is the mass production. But tell me, how Holton can produce a double horn for $ 1.000.- ? I know how much I pay for the valve section without the slides, I know how much the slides cost, I know how much one has to pay for a good bell section or for a perfect fitting bell screw. I also know how much engraving costs. There is no way to produce a decent horn for this amount, if you expect a minimum on quality. Yeah, if tubes are blown up hydraulically, things are much different & much cheaper. The investment in machinery is quite high then, but due to the mass output, the quality will become very<, very< poor, if not junk. Cleaning the solder away by use of acid bath, well, it works much faster & costs just a fraction, but the horn is ruined faster as solderings become lose. Chemically polishing, well, it works, but the same doubts apply as above. Cheap lacquering cost much less and takes much less on time. But I think, I have not to tell you about the difference in lacquering quality then. Jay had some arguments about "parts being not so reliable if produced in the USA instead of Japan" (Yamaha). Jay, you have no practical ideas. It were mere nonsense & wrong investment policy by Yamaha, to have two sets of tools or mandrels for every part for every model, just to produce parts in Japan & in the USA or in Europe (a third set perhaps). And the amortisation of these tools works only, if these machines run & run & run, not running one day to produce the necessary parts for a full month & stand still the other four working days. Example: the little joints or bridges between the tubes: the full automatic machine can produce thousands of pieces in one day. Valve slides: they are bent in the machine within seconds, heated within seconds, melted out in the same process & calibrated again within seconds. If there are three working places, three workers, how many slide sets can they produce during one week ? And the bell section ? They are cut by use of a laser cutter, cutting ten pieces the same time. Bending them together to form a tube, well, is done by a half automated press, perhaps, soldering in a half automated street. Bending is done within less than a minute, if deep frozen before, even faster. But think a moment: are the equipment & their maintenance FREE ? No ! This must be calculated with the price of the parts. Just some thouht from experience. ... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > In a message dated 11/24/2002 9:49:18 AM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > And, who is making most of the money ? The producer or the dealer ? The same > > as in the CD market. > > > > Sorry for the incomplete quote, but my answer only relates to the above. > Holton produces a horn for $1000, Leblanc sells the horn to a dealer for > $2000 with a suggested retail of $4000. The dealer then has to discount the > horn up to 40% to make a sale. Most dealers would go out of business if they > only sold horns. > > Wes > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In a message dated 11/24/2002 9:49:18 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And, who is making most of the money ? The producer or the dealer ? The same > as in the CD market. > Sorry for the incomplete quote, but my answer only relates to the above. Holton produces a horn for $1000, Leblanc sells the horn to a dealer for $2000 with a suggested retail of $4000. The dealer then has to discount the horn up to 40% to make a sale. Most dealers would go out of business if they only sold horns. Wes ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In a message dated 11/24/2002 2:23:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Do you still think, Japanese factories of quality products produce junk > parts ? Their failure factor is the same as everywhere in the > industrialized world, if not less. Do not make the mistake, thinking about > other nations products as if they had not improved things during the last > 30 or 40 years. > I know from first hand experience that all companies produce " junk parts". Whether or not they make it onto a horn is another matter. Having worked at Holton for ten years I know what kind of tools and machines they have and what condition they are in, and what kind of parts they produce. Yamaha has state of the art tools and machines and a replacement schedule that replaces tools before they actually wear out, not after a run of 600 valve sets were produced that should have been rejected. I also know that Yamaha Japan has a very stringent inspection process and that every part that is shipped to Grand Rapids is good quality. What are done with the parts during assembly in Michigan may be another matter, such as the final assembly and pad fitting of their woodwind instruments. Wes Hatch ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
Hans, I think you're picking a fight where there isn't one. Or maybe you're just looking for one. I don't think Dave meant anything by the "Made in Japan" other than to make exactly the point you made in the following sentence. You then go on to make fun of his comments relative to price on parts as opposed to finished instruments. His basic point was that labor is a substantial cost factor in the production of instruments, and the more of it that's done here in the US, the less it's hit by tariffs. While I respect your comments relative to horn playing and acknowledge your substantial accomplishments, I wonder why you take such a confrontational attitude. I sometimes chalk it up to language and interpretation, and this is probably true in many cases. However, the knack you have for reading things in to what people have to say, and creating and/or sustaining arguments that don't exist, makes me wonder where you're coming from... - Original Message - From: "Prof.Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun) > What are high quality parts & what are low quality parts ? What is the difference in the making process ? Are they produced or processed differently ? Please explain that regarding the single parts for brass instruments. Is there a difference in machining ? > > What are the prefabricated parts ? > > Bell section > valve slides & tuning slide & similar > valve sections (casing, bearing, rotor, wing, back screw, lid, stopper, buffer, horse shoe, linkage, linkage arm) > joints > lead pipe > case > > What´s the matter witzh "Made in Japan" ? Japanophobia ?? > And the import tariffs on horns would be 7%, not much, but on the full value of the horn, it would matter definitely. > > Relatively valueless parts ??? You are quite funny. Do you have any idea, how much the parts are ? (I know the prices) - And, who is making most of the money ? The producer or the dealer ? The same as in the CD market. > ... > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > In a message dated 11/24/2002 3:23:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > they do not have to have a "made in Japan" stamp on them, and > > are therefore not subject to tariffs. The tariffs on the relatively > > value-less parts are practically miniscule compared to tariffs on finished > > instruments. This definitely keeps the prices down. > > > > ___ > > Horn mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > > > > -- > Prof.Hans Pizka > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to > www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) > www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) > www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon > > mail is virus checked > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] request for brass quintet music suggestions
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi I played for ten years with a brass quintet and can send you a list of titles later, but I'm just off to do a gig now. Titles that we played when we first started which come immediately to mind: "Just Brass" Series: Frere Jacques Fancies Toyes and Dreams Susato Suite Echo Canzona King Music: Victor Ewald - Symphony for brass quintet (a standard classic) This Old Man arr. Nagel You could do worse than to look at the set of titles in the aforementioned "Just Brass" series edited, I think, by Philip Jones. They were published by Chesters Music but I'm sure the company was taken over by a larger publishing house later. The Robert King catalogue too could be useful. There is a lot of stuff out there! (and much of it is very good) I'll try to write more later, All the best, Lawrence ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
What are high quality parts & what are low quality parts ? What is the difference in the making process ? Are they produced or processed differently ? Please explain that regarding the single parts for brass instruments. Is there a difference in machining ? What are the prefabricated parts ? Bell section valve slides & tuning slide & similar valve sections (casing, bearing, rotor, wing, back screw, lid, stopper, buffer, horse shoe, linkage, linkage arm) joints lead pipe case What´s the matter witzh "Made in Japan" ? Japanophobia ?? And the import tariffs on horns would be 7%, not much, but on the full value of the horn, it would matter definitely. Relatively valueless parts ??? You are quite funny. Do you have any idea, how much the parts are ? (I know the prices) - And, who is making most of the money ? The producer or the dealer ? The same as in the CD market. ... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > In a message dated 11/24/2002 3:23:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, they do not have to have a "made in Japan" stamp on them, and > are therefore not subject to tariffs. The tariffs on the relatively > value-less parts are practically miniscule compared to tariffs on finished > instruments. This definitely keeps the prices down. > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] request for brass quintet music suggestions
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I am in the process of starting a brass quintet. This is in a small rural community.
All of the potential members are quite accomplished but amateur musicians. The
problem is that there is not much quintet music available locally, so we will have to
purchase a fair amount of music. We are located 200 miles from the nearest
university, so checking music out of a library is not very feasible. We will probably
play for churches, schools, etc.
Characteristics of the music could be:
1) features each of the instruments,
2) is generally accessible to a wide range of audiences,
3) is musically interesting to the players,
4) has add on instrumentation, such as percussion and/or organ
5) any but the most difficult levels ("grades II-IV") would be acceptable.
I would appreciate any suggestions of a list of "start-up" music; title, composer,
arranger, and comments.
Please send suggestions to my email and I will post a list of the recommendations to
the list in a few weeks.
Thanks
Randall Sullivan
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Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] In a message dated 11/24/2002 3:23:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Do you still think, Japanese factories of quality products produce junk > parts ? Their failure factor is the same as everywhere in the > industrialized world, if not less. Do not make the mistake, thinking about > other nations products as if they had not improved things during the last > 30 or 40 years. Actually, I think that was Wes's point, namely that the parts factory in Japan produces extremely high quality parts. And, how many parts factories do you need? On the other hand you need a certain number of assemblers to produce a certain number of instruments, and it doesn't matter if they are in the US, Japan, or wherever. Moreover, if the instruments are assembled here in the US then they do not have to have a "made in Japan" stamp on them, and are therefore not subject to tariffs. The tariffs on the relatively value-less parts are practically miniscule compared to tariffs on finished instruments. This definitely keeps the prices down. On horns, the prices are relativley high, so the tariffs don't figure in as much. Yamaha can control production costs sufficiently to keep horn prices competitve, tariffs notwithstanding. And they probably only need just so many horn assemblers, all of whom are in Japan. Yamaha does NOTHING without a good business reason. Dave Weiner ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
Do you still think, Japanese factories of quality products produce junk parts ? Their failure factor is the same as everywhere in the industrialized world, if not less. Do not make the mistake, thinking about other nations products as if they had not improved things during the last 30 or 40 years. . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > In a message dated 11/23/2002 4:00:33 PM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Tax advantage &cheaper labour costs ! > > > > Also, control of the quality and consistancy of the parts going to make the > instruments in Grand Rapids. > > Wes > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
