Fw: [Hornlist] Booze
- Original Message - From: "Clayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Booze I tried a Merker- Matic and I got hooked...really good! Laurent > > > My, my, my! Shall we keep track of how many "drinks" e-mails we're able > to toss back and forth on this "nose to the grindstone" "no other topic > except horns" list? > > It's amazing how, when a topic is interesting to us, we tolerate it. > But let another musician talk about a topic that we don't enjoy, and the > negative condemnations pour in. > > Chris Tedesco wrote: > > >Whoa, that's my drink, although I'm satisfied with 1 or 2 cherries. > > > >I have to admit though, a Maker's Mark mannhatty is pretty smooth too. > > > >Chris > >--- Christopher Bonner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Does it have to be scotch? I prefer a Jim Beam Manhattan, up, with three > >>cherries. m now I'm thirsty. > >>Happy thoughts, > >>Chris > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "Alexandre Grand-Clement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:43 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Booze > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> > Hornfolk,I have been advised to pour Scotch (booze) down into a > > > >>sluggish valve. Anyone ever try this,and would it harm the horn? Did it > >>work? Comments,please! > >> > >> > >>>Tried it once. Horn sang like never before, but was in foul mood > >>>following day. > >>> > >>>Alex > >>>___ > >>>post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>set your options at > >>> > >>> > >>http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cbonner%40swfla.rr.com > >> > >> > >>___ > >>post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>set your options at > >> > >> > >http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com > > > > > >__ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > >http://companion.yahoo.com/ > >___ > >post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/whetmore%40bellsouth.net > > > > > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lesmis7%40fix.net > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
Josh Cheuvront wrote: Man, you introduce me to this guy! I have yet to find a repairman who does pro bono work on short OR long notice. I guess that must be a pretty expensive ring you gave him! Five golden rings! Four calling birds, etc. And a partridge in a pear tree ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Booze
My, my, my! Shall we keep track of how many "drinks" e-mails we're able to toss back and forth on this "nose to the grindstone" "no other topic except horns" list? It's amazing how, when a topic is interesting to us, we tolerate it. But let another musician talk about a topic that we don't enjoy, and the negative condemnations pour in. Chris Tedesco wrote: Whoa, that's my drink, although I'm satisfied with 1 or 2 cherries. I have to admit though, a Maker's Mark mannhatty is pretty smooth too. Chris --- Christopher Bonner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does it have to be scotch? I prefer a Jim Beam Manhattan, up, with three cherries. m now I'm thirsty. Happy thoughts, Chris - Original Message - From: "Alexandre Grand-Clement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Booze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hornfolk,I have been advised to pour Scotch (booze) down into a sluggish valve. Anyone ever try this,and would it harm the horn? Did it work? Comments,please! Tried it once. Horn sang like never before, but was in foul mood following day. Alex ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cbonner%40swfla.rr.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/whetmore%40bellsouth.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
One ring to rule them all... -William In a message dated 12/4/2003 9:15:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Man, you introduce me to this guy! I have yet to find a repairman who does > pro bono work on short OR long notice. I guess that must be a pretty > expensive ring you gave him! > > grin, > > Josh ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
Man, you introduce me to this guy! I have yet to find a repairman who does pro bono work on short OR long notice. I guess that must be a pretty expensive ring you gave him! grin, Josh - Original Message - From: "Chris Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Valves My repairman is great about > this, I just give him a ring and he says when he's free. > > > Chris ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Booze
Whoa, that's my drink, although I'm satisfied with 1 or 2 cherries. I have to admit though, a Maker's Mark mannhatty is pretty smooth too. Chris --- Christopher Bonner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does it have to be scotch? I prefer a Jim Beam Manhattan, up, with three > cherries. m now I'm thirsty. > Happy thoughts, > Chris > - Original Message - > From: "Alexandre Grand-Clement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Booze > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > Hornfolk,I have been advised to pour Scotch (booze) down into a > sluggish valve. Anyone ever try this,and would it harm the horn? Did it > work? Comments,please! > > > > Tried it once. Horn sang like never before, but was in foul mood > > following day. > > > > Alex > > ___ > > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cbonner%40swfla.rr.com > > > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Valves
I have watched the first horn player, and he plays off center to, same as me, I really dont know if i have bad embouchre "faults" Professor Pizka, my lesson teacher says im fine. The horn at school since this August has NEVER BEEN OILED. Can you believe that?!? And yet, the valves still work somewhat good. The only valve that i have a problem with, with the horn at home, is the trigger valve... All other valves work great and very nice. Well I guess if im such a bad player of the horn, and my embouchre "faults" are like this...I might as well get oout of second position, not even third, and not even fourth, and get out of the youth symphony period. Maybe even quit the horn, I guess im not worthy, becuase my lips are to big, and i dont have a symetric emcouchre, even though ive only been playing for 2 years and 2 months. Im tried for time, I wish i could go and plead with a repair man/women, but cant right now. AND WHAT REALLY ANNOYES ME SOO MUCH ABOUT THIS "GREAT" DIRECTOR.Last year i was in eigth grade, at the end of the year going to ninth (from Middle School to Highschool) Well, since im going to now be using the highschool instruments I asked him about having a horn for over the summmerDo you know what the man told me?! He tells me he wish he could, but all the horns are going into the shop (understandable)I plead with him, and his short temper bursts and he yells at me WELL THIS YEAR THE HORNS ARE BACK FROM THE SHOP AND THE VALVE STILL STICKS! I tell him about the problems and he says."Come see me later." Then i come "later" and he tells me "WEll you can give me the horn, and ill take it to the shop, but you'll be without a horn for 2-3 weeks"! EVERYONE even his own top clarinet players, mostly loathe him. And the sad thing is, he is such a great clarinet player coming from Julliard, but he is in the wrong field. He is in teaching at a College and a Highschool. He cant help but yell at students for this and that, and how busy he is, but he should be in the PERFORMING FIELD! He is a big fish in a small pond with not much water. He needs to learn how to treat people! Sometimes he is nice and funny, which i liked about him, but finally when i get to the Highschool he starts yelling at me most of the time (about 60% of the time) and he shows his bad side all to late for me. Back to the valves.I DONT KNOW WHAT ILL DO. I just bought some kerosine as advised, and put it in the normal oiling spots...still some sticking. Tomorrow i will clean the horn out with the hose thing attached, then re oil it. If problem persitsts, and solo goes wrong, and Conductor gets mad...I will simple either not attempt to control my anger and have a anger surge through me for him yelling (only if he yells... i wont yell at my conductor, ill go to school and finally give the "great" director a piece of my mind and yell at him.) The only reasong that great director ggave me 2 horns was because that day he was in a good mood, and didnt feel like bieng a butt hole. If when i yell at him.and he yells back, which is very likely.and if he tells the head director about my "list of problems" (He told me i have a lisst of problems and irresponsibilities that go on and on.) and i get kicked out of band, or he takes one horn away...I WILL GET THE LAST LAUGH. Ive been planning this since August. I will buy a horn, which i am very close to doing as of now, and take up Orchestra as my elective ( iplayed the cello and quit this year for band, for the sake of band giving me a horn.) and just practice hard everyday, and take lessons, and play only in the South Texas Youth Symphony. They are the ones losing a "great" player as all the directors have called me. Im sick and tired of all these directors...well not all, but 2 or 3, of acting like spoiled little children. All they seem to care about is themselves and thier exertion of power on me! AHH! IT GETS ME SO MAD! I have to beg them for the instument! But soon I WONT HAVE TO! From a very esSTEAMED, Mike P.S. I hope i get the trigger working somewhat better with all of your helpful replies! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Booze
Does it have to be scotch? I prefer a Jim Beam Manhattan, up, with three cherries. m now I'm thirsty. Happy thoughts, Chris - Original Message - From: "Alexandre Grand-Clement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Booze > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Hornfolk,I have been advised to pour Scotch (booze) down into a sluggish valve. Anyone ever try this,and would it harm the horn? Did it work? Comments,please! > > Tried it once. Horn sang like never before, but was in foul mood > following day. > > Alex > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cbonner%40swfla.rr.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Selling horn stuff update
Leigh, While I do not know your circumstances, they must be pretty dire to consider selling your horn. It was with great relief that I just read that you are going to keep her (or him). I am one of the usually silent members who reads more and types less, but I wanted to let you know that you are in my thoughts. Be well. Happy Thoughts, Chris - Original Message - From: "Leigh Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Yahoo Horns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "The Hornlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Selling horn stuff update > Hornfolks; > > After a gentle talking-to by my friends and some of the people on this > list; I'm going to keep the horn and the minimum accoutrement. I still > need to weed out the remaining flotsam so the following things are > still for sale: > > 1. Yamaha Silent Brass, older model, works great $75 > 2. Marcus Bonna Flight Case (I have photos I can send) $150 > 3. Altieri Gig Bag(photos of this avail too) $ 60 > 4. Pro Tec Case (photos avail) $100 > (The Cases and Gig bag are for a detachable bell horn) > 5. E. Schmid (no. 8) mouthpiece $45 (these are $65 new) > 6. K&M "Robby" style folding music stand w/black cordura case. $30 > (sturdy, in excellent shape) > 7. Music (list avail) $140 for the lot > > Leigh > PS I'm thinking of using ebay to sell some things and I wonder if one > or more of the ebay gurus on the lists would mind contacting me, I > could use some help. > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cbonner%40swfla.rr.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
Hmm... what horn do you have? It always gums up on me... I have about 2/3 of the 8 oz. bottle left... email me privately for an offer :P -William In a message dated 12/4/2003 5:15:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Cum grano salis! > > I've used it with no problem for god knows how long. I'll admit it lasts > less > longer than other oils, but i've never had it gum any valves. > > In fact, any chance you'll give me a good deal on what's left of your > bottle? > > Chris ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
Cum grano salis! I've used it with no problem for god knows how long. I'll admit it lasts less longer than other oils, but i've never had it gum any valves. In fact, any chance you'll give me a good deal on what's left of your bottle? Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have a tank of blue juice sitting around... well not a tank, a pretty full > 8 oz. bottle. I only have it around because I never use it. I used a little, > then stopped. > > Why? Well it just gums everything up and dries out too fast. I think they're > fine for piston valves, but rotary valves are a different story. > > If you have to use it for an emergency you have to clean the whole horn free > of it afterwards in my opinion. > > -William > > In a message dated 12/4/2003 12:10:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I had some nasty valves once before a jury a few years ago and had no time > > to > > have my horn cleaned, so I dumped in a load of blue juice and just moved > the > > valve back and forth until it was worked clean enough to not stick. > > Granted, > > if you're valve is completely stuck you need emergency repair I'm sure > > anyone > > would be glad to do. > > > > Just give a shop a call and ask when you can come in and have somethign > > looked > > at while you wait, I'm sure they would oblige. My repairman is great about > > this, I just give him a ring and he says when he's free. > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Brass Holiday Music
There are some fine and novel arrangemednts of Holiday music in a CD by the Clarion Brass Choir made up of members from the brass section of the Spokane Symphony. The arrangements are by Bill Berry and some of them have been used by the Canadian Brass. Information can be obtained at www.figarotunes.com Pete Exline ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
Who uses oil lamps today? I have two in my house stocked at all times. We always get a bad ice storm or two every now and then, and that always knocks out the power for a day or two. Flashlights are great, but oil lamps give off some nice warmth. Thankfully my propane fireplace never will freeze... Also if you stock flashlights in your house the batteries can degenerate or degrade if they're not used in a year or so. -William In a message dated 12/4/2003 3:07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > who uses oil lamps today ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Valves
Very good advice, indeed, but some super cleaner people will ask for sure, if you use a British size tea spoon or a Russian tea spoon ? And people might ask you where to buy all the stuff from hydrocarbon based auto degreaser to lamp oil (who uses oil lamps today :) :) :)) Some might ask, what voice Singer should be, soprano, alto, tenor or bass .. Cheers to Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graeme Evans Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Valves The best way to fix the problem is really to have the rotors removed and the horn cleaned out, but that not being an option, you could try: 1. Buy a can of hydrocarbon based auto degreaser. This is a strong detergent. Do NOT use any caustic soda based degreaser. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Valves
Oops, I see you've already had this same advice (about using the other horn). Well I guess that's part of the joy of communicating across a myriad of time zones! Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] valves
Couldn't you just use the other horn (the one you usually keep at school) for the concert? It would make you feel more secure about the working parts and therefore probably more secure with playing on the night. Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: booze and valves
>As for scotch"Famous Grouse" has become my new favorite. Not expensive and very fine. It's very fine because The Grouse uses Macallan, Glenrothes and Highland Park as its primary malts. If you like TFG blend, try Famous Grouse Vintage Malt if you're in the UK. You'll love it. It's a vatted whisky unfortunately not available here in the USA. Cheers, Steven Ovitsky www.sotone.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: booze and valves
Famous Grouse is the brand preferred by Craig Lowell, a leading fictional character in the "Brotherhood Of War" series of military novels by W.E.B. Griffin.-AC. ~ At 11:51 AM 12/4/2003 -0800, you wrote: As for scotch.."Famous Grouse" has become my new favorite. Not expensive and very fine. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
I have a tank of blue juice sitting around... well not a tank, a pretty full 8 oz. bottle. I only have it around because I never use it. I used a little, then stopped. Why? Well it just gums everything up and dries out too fast. I think they're fine for piston valves, but rotary valves are a different story. If you have to use it for an emergency you have to clean the whole horn free of it afterwards in my opinion. -William In a message dated 12/4/2003 12:10:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I had some nasty valves once before a jury a few years ago and had no time > to > have my horn cleaned, so I dumped in a load of blue juice and just moved the > valve back and forth until it was worked clean enough to not stick. > Granted, > if you're valve is completely stuck you need emergency repair I'm sure > anyone > would be glad to do. > > Just give a shop a call and ask when you can come in and have somethign > looked > at while you wait, I'm sure they would oblige. My repairman is great about > this, I just give him a ring and he says when he's free. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: booze and valves
I'm surprised no one has screamed "Alcohol Abuse!" yet... -William In a message dated 12/4/2003 12:02:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > As for scotch.."Famous Grouse" has become my new favorite. Not expensive > and very fine. > Regarding valves now, Ferrees (band instrument repair supplier) has a new > product, Z8, made specifically for assisting the action of monel valves. I > have found it to be very useful on all valves that do not have a mechanical > problem. You only use a couple of drops occasionally. It mixes well with any > oil and seems to do the trick on most of the jobs that have been an ongoing > nemesis. > > Happy tooting. > By the way, any knowledge of where we can get gig bags for Yamaha tenor > horns? > > Thanks, Cyn ()@/ > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
I had some nasty valves once before a jury a few years ago and had no time to have my horn cleaned, so I dumped in a load of blue juice and just moved the valve back and forth until it was worked clean enough to not stick. Granted, if you're valve is completely stuck you need emergency repair I'm sure anyone would be glad to do. Just give a shop a call and ask when you can come in and have somethign looked at while you wait, I'm sure they would oblige. My repairman is great about this, I just give him a ring and he says when he's free. Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello everyone, > I have a question regarding valve sluggishness. This last Sunday I > was at my Youth Symphony rehearsal, andmy trigger was giving me problems with > > sticking. Finally when we play Capriccio Italien, in the middle of the 2 > horn > solo, as I activiated the trigger, i doubted its reliability, my doubts were > confirmed, some what expectedly...IT STUCK! It was fine when i needed it > activated during the solo, but when i let go, the vaalve held on! 2nd horn > part was > ruined for that! > The concert is this Sunday, I cant take it into the shop, it would > probably take a week or 3 to get it back, and I dont trust myself to > disassemble > valves for cleaning. > Any solutions? >I use the Holton Valve oil, what is it to be considered? Acidic? > Sinthetic? Would kerosene help with the valve(s)? Do i just oil it under the > valve > caps and underneath stop arm? Or do i put it in a slide and turn the horn > upside down? > Hurry answers are needed VERY SOON! Concert coming up! > > All the best, > Michael Kolaghassi > >P.S. Nex year the first horn is graduating, so I should become first > hornbut, if i mess this solo up (not even solo, just a soli of 1st 2nd > horn) the conductor will probably try very hard to find someone better than > me, > or get my teacher to fill in 1st horn spot. > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: booze and valves
As for scotch.."Famous Grouse" has become my new favorite. Not expensive and very fine. Regarding valves now, Ferrees (band instrument repair supplier) has a new product, Z8, made specifically for assisting the action of monel valves. I have found it to be very useful on all valves that do not have a mechanical problem. You only use a couple of drops occasionally. It mixes well with any oil and seems to do the trick on most of the jobs that have been an ongoing nemesis. Happy tooting. By the way, any knowledge of where we can get gig bags for Yamaha tenor horns? Thanks, Cyn ()@/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
In a message dated 12/4/2003 9:18:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have to agree with Hans. In my experiences playing horn, I played > Principal all through college, but when I returned home and began playing > professionally, I won positions playing low horn (second). Although Hans > has at times said some things about "tutti" players, every part in the > orchestra is very important, and as he states and I whole > heartily agree > with, playing second IS very satisfying. To further make the point, when I was a senior I moved to Boston and had the very good fortune to fill the vacancy at principal 4th horn in the Greater Boston Youth Symphony, an extraordinarily good high school youth orchestra. I have never played in a more intense and precocious group. My playing improved tremendously very quickly. I beat the principal horn player in audition for district, and then again for all state. GBYSO was ruthless, and I was expected to challenge the principal player. My teacher, Ralph Pottle, of the BSO, sternly advised me not to. I was playing first chair in several other groups, but he was slanting his teaching so I could take full advantage of playing the 4th part in a really strong section. I ended up with a reputation of being the best 4th horn the orchestra ever had. The payoff was that, in the following years, my friends who went to conservatory (I majored in physics) kept calling me up to play 4th in whatever group was hiring ringers. I got far more work than anybody else. There weren't many other college students who could afford to own a sailboat and a musclecar, but I did. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: John Williams concerto premiere
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: John Williams concerto premiere > I agree that his concert pieces require repeated listening for full > appreciation. I thought that the concerto wasn't especially exciting, but I enjoyed > the interplay between the horn and the winds and the horn and the percussion. > It also showed how concertos have evolved from being melodic solos w/ orchestra > accompinament to being an almost normal piece that just happens to have a > very prominent part for one instrument. The Chicago Tribune critique called it something like a suite for orchestra with horn obligatto. > Many times in the concerto, the horn > mearly accentuated what the orchestra was doing. Oh, and did anybody notice how > some of the runs in the first movement of the williams concerto seem to have > the same flavor as the runs in the first movement of strauss two? Yes, and I'm sure the warranted repeated listenings if it's ever recorded (Clevenger hopes it is) will reveal a few other familiar flavors. Of course, maybe Strauss was one of the dead composers Clevenger wanted to write a concerto, and Williams acknowledged this. Did you hear any Bernsteinisms? John Baumgart ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
Flush the horn with lots and lots of water with cheap dish washing detergent, such as dawn. The cheap ones don't have a lot of additives. Follow the flushing with clean water flushing. At some point during the process, the valve should clean up and work again. Sometimes you can pull a slide and inject pressurized water right into the valve. It often helps to push the rotor up and pull it down in the casing while turning it. You might even feel the rotor catch a bit if you apply pressure to the dirty area and rotate. Needless to say, valves should be cleaned more regularly if this is the problem. Finally, there is a good chance the valve spring has lost some strength. Thumb springs are usually pretty easy to re-tension. If you look at the spring, you should see an end of the spring being held in tension by the mounting bracket. Get a pair of narrow tip pliers with cerated (not smooth) jaws. Grab the end of the spring and pull hard. You should see the coils wrap more tightly around the lever spindle, and you'll end up with a longer loose end that you're pulling with the pliers. If you pull hard enough, the loose end of the spring will become permanently longer, and the spring tension will be permanently increased. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Selling horn stuff update
Hornfolks; After a gentle talking-to by my friends and some of the people on this list; I'm going to keep the horn and the minimum accoutrement. I still need to weed out the remaining flotsam so the following things are still for sale: 1. Yamaha Silent Brass, older model, works great $75 2. Marcus Bonna Flight Case (I have photos I can send) $150 3. Altieri Gig Bag(photos of this avail too) $ 60 4. Pro Tec Case (photos avail) $100 (The Cases and Gig bag are for a detachable bell horn) 5. E. Schmid (no. 8) mouthpiece $45 (these are $65 new) 6. K&M "Robby" style folding music stand w/black cordura case. $30 (sturdy, in excellent shape) 7. Music (list avail) $140 for the lot Leigh PS I'm thinking of using ebay to sell some things and I wonder if one or more of the ebay gurus on the lists would mind contacting me, I could use some help. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Valves
Michael, I have to agree with Hans. In my experiences playing horn, I played Principal all through college, but when I returned home and began playing professionally, I won positions playing low horn (second). Although Hans has at times said some things about "tutti" players, every part in the orchestra is very important, and as he states and I whole heartily agree with, playing second IS very satisfying. Last month, I got to really enjoy myself by playing a couple of easy, but important solo passages in Beethoven's fifth piano concerto. It was also enjoyable to play the low Bb and having to make sure the entrance was good and in tune. It was nice for me after rehearsal when the Principal Clarinet turned around and said "Nice job on the low note, Walt". The part is not significant, but has to be heard... Revel in the fact that you are supporting the overall sound of great music. It's like professional hockey, not everyone can score the goals, but in the words of Scotty Bowman, one the greatest hockey coaches of all time, defense and goaltending win Stanley cups. Defense and Goaltending is a thankless, not flamboyant job, but is still very necessary That's my opinion Walt Lewis 2nd Horn, Lake St. Clair Symphony Orchestra (St. Clair Shores, Michigan) 2nd Horn, Grosse Pointe Symphony Orchestra (Grosse Pointe, Michigan) At 07:46 AM 12/4/03 +0100, Hans Pizka scrieb: Regarding first chair: Knowing your many problems with embouchure, tone, safety, etc. (as you described), would it not be wise, not to look for the first chair NOW, but may-be in a year or two. And with a multitude of problems, serving as an assisting second horn can be very, very nice & satisfying. Think about. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Valves Hello everyone, I have a question regarding valve sluggishness. This last Sunday I was at my Youth Symphony rehearsal, andmy trigger was giving me problems with sticking. Finally when we play Capriccio Italien, in the middle of the 2 horn solo, as I activiated the trigger, i doubted its reliability, my doubts were confirmed, some what expectedly...IT STUCK! It was fine when i needed it activated during the solo, but when i let go, the vaalve held on! 2nd horn part was ruined for that! The concert is this Sunday, I cant take it into the shop, it would probably take a week or 3 to get it back, and I dont trust myself to disassemble valves for cleaning. Any solutions? I use the Holton Valve oil, what is it to be considered? Acidic? Sinthetic? Would kerosene help with the valve(s)? Do i just oil it under the valve caps and underneath stop arm? Or do i put it in a slide and turn the horn upside down? Hurry answers are needed VERY SOON! Concert coming up! All the best, Michael Kolaghassi P.S. Nex year the first horn is graduating, so I should become first hornbut, if i mess this solo up (not even solo, just a soli of 1st 2nd horn) the conductor will probably try very hard to find someone better than me, or get my teacher to fill in 1st horn spot. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/welewis%40myexcel.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/03 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] US Coast Guard Band concert
Dear All, If anyone is interested, the US Coast Guard Band will be broadcast live on CSPAN at 5PM EST later today (Dec. 4). It should be a fun concert! http://www.pageantofpeace.org/perform.htm Guest artists include: Shirley Jones Lonestar Twlya Robinson Cast of "Mamma Mia" Merlin Olsen Voena Children's Choir Wishing everyone well, Bryan Doughty BVD Press http://www.bvdpress.com/ Over 1900 Brass Quintet pieces available! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
Mike, I too, think that you have gotten some good advice from the posters on how to unstick your valves. One question though, if you have a horn that you use at school and it plays okay, why not just use that one for the concert, if you know it to be more reliable ? You have two horns and that is a luxury that many of us don't have, or giving the expense, takes many years to acquireso why are you so worried ? I kind of hate to say this, but probably most of us have lugged our school horns to and from school to home so you are very lucky. Your band director is being pretty considerate in allowing you to have to school horns to use. So, I'd work with unsticking my valve, but I also would have the other horn ready. If transporting the school instrument home is a problem, then I find it difficult to believe that your mother wouldn't try to help you solve this problem. I don't know about the other situation regarding the upcoming 1st horn opening. First, what do you mean by "next year " ? Do you mean May/June of 2004 when the other player graduates, or do you mean next year as in a whole year ? Although I think that Professor Pizka gave you some excellent advice, there may be some other aspects of this as well. First, it is a youth orchestra, you are not expected to be a mature polished player. who knows at what stage of development you will be at, then ? Second, I find it hard to believe that your conductor would base a decision that he will have to make next year, on the basis of one performance this year. Won't you have an audition, anyway ? Also, after looking up your orchestra in the listings at hornplayer.net, I only see that there are two horns. Three, why is it so important that you have the principal chair ? In many respects second horn is the best slot in the orchestra in my very humble (not even worth 2 euros much less, 2 dollars) opinion. You get a lot of neat parts, some solos and the opportunity to literally play in all registers, plus you are not on the "hot seat". Actually, if your teacher played first and you sat next to her (ed. comment: I happen to know that it is a her) that would be an education too. I wish that I could sit next to my teacher in an ensemble situation (yes even at my age, I still study), I know I would learn something. Make sure that you are not letting a false sense of pride or ego get in your way. Another aspect, you are playing on a horn that you only play once a week. No two horns play alike (If anyone can demonstrate to me physically that they have two horns that are exactly identical in all playing characteristics I will award them a 1954 Olds Single Bb horn as a prize, interested ? Contact me, off list) so in addition to having the stress of wanting to impress your conductor, you also are playing on less familiar equipment. That might not be a big deal when you are older and more experienced, but I'll wager that it affects your playing more than you might think or consider. Anyway, don't panic, you have a back-up and supposing you did take the problem horn to the shop to get it unstuck (I am not advocating this necessarily) I'm sure that if you pled your case, you could get it done with a quick turnaround. Most repair people will respond to an emergency if it is legit...you don't really know until you ask or try, do you ? Take care and best wishes, Mark L. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as I activiated the trigger, i doubted its reliability, my doubts were confirmed, some what expectedly...IT STUCK! It was fine when i needed it activated during the solo, but when i let go, the vaalve held on! 2nd horn part was ruined for that! You already got a lot of good maintenance advice. Another bit of advice: make sure you know all your F-horn fingerings and all your Bb-horn fingerings. You never know when your double horn might temporarily turn into a single horn! Greg ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valves
The best way to fix the problem is really to have the rotors removed and the horn cleaned out, but that not being an option, you could try: 1. Buy a can of hydrocarbon based auto degreaser. This is a strong detergent. Do NOT use any caustic soda based degreaser. 2. Remove the slides and pour degreaser down into the valves so that the slide receivers are full. Work the valves a bit and add more degreaser to fill the receivers again. 3. Support the horn securely so that the receivers are vertical with the valves at the bottom, and leave it standing for a couple of hours. 4. Clean the horn normally with warm water to completely remove the degreaser. 5. Dry out as much as possible and relubricate the horn. With luck this will help unstick the valve, but it is likely that the formation of green copper carbonate deposit has caused the problem in the first place, and will require dismantling and chemical or ulstrasonic cleaning to rectify. I would suggest the following regime to prevent this happening. Use Singer machine oil or similar to lubricate under the valve caps and the spindles near the linkage attachment once weekly. A bottle with a needle type nozzle is the best and will prevent messy over-oiling. Use a good rotary valve oil to lubricate the inside of the instrument. My method is, after cleaning the mouthpipe, to add about a teaspoon of valve oil to the mouthpipe and blow (without the mouthpiece) vigorously through the horn to spray the oil as a mist through the instrument. This will help to prevent corrosion build up in the valves and windways generally. (You can make up a good valve oil by using 1 part Singer oil with 8 parts of pure lamp oil, or deodorised kerosene) It is also a good idea the make sure that all slides are adjusted fitting wise, so that you can avoid the use of heavy greases on them. Something like STP oil treatment can be then be used very sparingly (!) to lubricate the slides. This helps to avoid the problem of grease build up on the slides getting into the valves. Last, but not least, it goes without saying that good mouth hygiene is better for the instrument's welfare than blowing food particles and Coca Cola spray down your mouthpipe, as some students I have known have tended to do(!!). Clean your teeth before playing Hoping this helps. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Valves > Hello everyone, > I have a question regarding valve sluggishness. This last Sunday I > was at my Youth Symphony rehearsal, andmy trigger was giving me problems with > sticking. Finally when we play Capriccio Italien, in the middle of the 2 horn > solo, as I activiated the trigger, i doubted its reliability, my doubts were > confirmed, some what expectedly...IT STUCK! It was fine when i needed it > activated during the solo, but when i let go, the vaalve held on! 2nd horn part was > ruined for that! > The concert is this Sunday, I cant take it into the shop, it would > probably take a week or 3 to get it back, and I dont trust myself to disassemble > valves for cleaning. > Any solutions? >I use the Holton Valve oil, what is it to be considered? Acidic? > Sinthetic? Would kerosene help with the valve(s)? Do i just oil it under the valve > caps and underneath stop arm? Or do i put it in a slide and turn the horn > upside down? > Hurry answers are needed VERY SOON! Concert coming up! > > All the best, > Michael Kolaghassi > >P.S. Nex year the first horn is graduating, so I should become first > hornbut, if i mess this solo up (not even solo, just a soli of 1st 2nd > horn) the conductor will probably try very hard to find someone better than me, > or get my teacher to fill in 1st horn spot. > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/graev%40comcen.com.au > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
