[Hornlist] help
hello, i just recently managed to get a double french horn. there isnt any horn tutors in my area, so i would have to learn how to play the horn by myself. basically, i have the foundation due to my 4 years experience on playing the marching mellophone in my school's marching band. i do know the fingerings for the horn and i use a tuner to keep in tune. what can i do to improve my playing and my techniques? please advice. thanks Ian - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] various advices
I noticed over the years, that too many mailing in their answers & their advice, tend to much to "speak them right after their mouth" - understood. This does not help. Just critic & realism will help, everything expressed honestly. Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: schumann's konzertstucke
This is a NONSENSE advice. One cannot gradually work up to the Schumann, ONE MUST BE COMPLETE as a horn player FIRST. Complete means here: arrived at very, very, very & extremely good & rare first horn to even think about this goal Anything different is DANGEROUS, while damaging the lips step by step & creating FRUSTRATION after FRUSTRATION. Nothing can be forced just by study. This is a long procedure taking years. It is like thinking about driving like Michael Schumacher without remembering that he started racing before entering school. Childish dreams of near adults. Ashaming indeed. I would expect more realism. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: schumann's konzertstucke Julius Pranevicius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "does anybody have ideas how to practice and to play e''' in schumann's konzertstuck?" This is an excellent goal. What I am thinking about towards this goal is: Work up to it gradually . Avoid excess mouthpiece pressure, counteract the tendency to press with more air flow and a relaxed open aperture. As you work upwards always find your best tone quality, then apply it to the next step higher. I like scales arriving at beautiful high tones with lots of air flow. "and about endurance: how to play from beginning to end?" Do it every day until you can do it no-stop. Think about the trumpet method by Caruso. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Slide Lubricants
Michael, with this size 5´8 & 142 lbs at age 16 are too fat. And your spelling of the Californian Governor´s name is unique absolutely: His name has nothing to do with vine-gar. His name is Schwarzenegger. This is some dialect spelling from Austria & translates somewhat like "(Man) from the black corner" or "(Man)from the dark corner" or "Black Harrow(er)", also "Dark (fat earth) Fields".(means good earth like vegetable mould). Or simply "Man from Schwarzeneck", where Schwarzeneck means a small village name (Black Corner). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Slide Lubricants Thanks everyone, Yeah I do get allittle to worrisome at times. BTW Professor Pizka, actually I'm not that big, I'm 5'8 so far and weigh only 142 lbs. My cousins are bigger. My grandma and mom say im to skinny...:-(, but I'm workin out, or at least tryin to. I wish horn playing *Arnold Schwarzannegar? accent* pumped me up. Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Lopsided embouchre?
Yes, correct, but I use different start on every note: f, sf, sfz, fp, p, pp, and I do a note from the upper octave followed by one note of the lower octave, sometimes starting from high, sometimes starting from middle & sometimes starting from low. So I do avoid the stress in the embouchure. But I had long tones enough to day with Parsifal. But what a wonderful music. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of milton kicklighter Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 5:57 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Lopsided embouchre? Oh Hans, I thought I would never see anyone recommend long tones again!!! It has been part of my daily routine as long as I have been playing the horn. I learned a wonderful exercise from a trombone player many many years ago. I start on horn middle C and work down and up chromatically until I have reached the bottom and top of the register. It takes about 20 min, but what a wonderful workout Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] e''' in schumann's konzertstuck
If you dont have the endurance fort his piece & if you dont have the high e´´´ , hands off this piece. It is not for you, or it is much too early for you. Very simple answer. There are more other pieces to conquer before attempting top play Schumann op.86. If you have no high e´´´ , why not playing second horn in that piece ? BTW: This piece is written for the EXTREM secure and experienced special high horn player not for the average first or third horn in a meadow & forest symphony somewhere in the bushes. Sorry, but this is the truth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julius Pranevicius Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] e''' in schumann's konzertstuck does anybody have ideas how to practice and to play e''' in schumann's konzertstuck? and about endurance: how to play from begining to end? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Buzzing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Writes: " Does anyone know the pro's/con's of buzzing?" Once you can buzz, don't do it. One does not sing by tightening their throat (larynx). Don't play horn by tighten your lips. Good playing is just like good singing. Richard Burdick principal horn of Regina Symphony Orchestra Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: schumann's konzertstucke
Julius Pranevicius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "does anybody have ideas how to practice and to play e''' in schumann's konzertstuck?" This is an excellent goal. What I am thinking about towards this goal is: Work up to it gradually . Avoid excess mouthpiece pressure, counteract the tendency to press with more air flow and a relaxed open aperture. As you work upwards always find your best tone quality, then apply it to the next step higher. I like scales arriving at beautiful high tones with lots of air flow. and about endurance: how to play from beginning to end? Do it every day until you can do it no-stop. Think about the trumpet method by Caruso. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Slide Lubricants
Thanks everyone, Yeah I do get allittle to worrisome at times. BTW Professor Pizka, actually I'm not that big, I'm 5'8 so far and weigh only 142 lbs. My cousins are bigger. My grandma and mom say im to skinny...:-(, but I'm workin out, or at least tryin to. I wish horn playing *Arnold Schwarzannegar? accent* pumped me up. Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lopsided embouchre?
Oh Hans, I thought I would never see anyone recommend long tones again!!! It has been part of my daily routine as long as I have been playing the horn. I learned a wonderful exercise from a trombone player many many years ago. I start on horn middle C and work down and up chromatically until I have reached the bottom and top of the register. It takes about 20 min, but what a wonderful workout Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil Hans Pizka wrote: It means two defects in one: 1) you are still not able to keep your lip muscles under control 2) you still play with too much air pressure. BTW, buzzing does not work as any preparation for the embouchure. It might help for a relax, but one buzz would be enough to release the tension. How about Long Tones ? The nearly forgotten best preparation for sound & sound stability. Also to build up endurance. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Lopsided embouchre? Hello again, I noticed also when I free buzz it seems that when I'm descending, my left corner (left half of embouchre) gets bigger first, while my right half still seems more compressed(smaller). Is this like a huge problem that will eliminate me in the horn game if not fixed? Thanks again, Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/milton%40sitez.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] e''' in schumann's konzertstuck - play Kopprasch instead
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: <> One Word: Kopprasch. Put your metronome on 88 for the quarter note (this works for most exercises). Play through each etude without stopping, and play a different transposition for each one; if you need to practice hitting a high E in the context of a piece, transpose some of the etudes into C alto. If playing Kopprasch or playing in C alto is a problem for you, then you probably have no business playing Schumann. Of course, I'm most inclined to think that anyone who has any business playing this piece wouldn't have to ask this question. Many seasoned professionals who do play high horn on this piece -that is *play* it, not play *with* it- choose to use a descant horn, though I once heard an up-and-coming professional at a workshop play it on an 8D with a hole in it...and this was after a technically flawless (and musical, to boot) performance of Strauss 2 in its entirety. Phil Myers, giving the masterclass, had virtually no criticism of her performance. She must've practiced her Kopprasch. Happy Kopprasching. Sarah Hogan At the foot of the Rockies - soon crossing the border ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] e''' in schumann's konzertstuck
does anybody have ideas how to practice and to play e''' in schumann's konzertstuck? and about endurance: how to play from begining to end? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Slide lubricants
Hetman makes an excellent slide lubricant that is synthetic. I use two grades: USG#9 which is very thick and Slide Grease #8 which is a normal consistency for most applications. CORdially, Luke Zyla email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 4:27 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Slide lubricants >Hello everyone, >I was reading the information archive on hornplayer.net, and read Mr. > Hecht's posting about lubricating your slides with certain things. >I am currently using Selmer's Pink goo stuff, and was wondering if > thats the stuff that eventually works its way through the horn and intto the > valves. >What would be the best lubricant that allows the slides to move quite > freely, forms a great seal, and does not dry up quickly and travel through the > horn? > >Thanks, >Mike > >PS: I heard that axle grease, vaseline, and other petroleum products > are some culprits that will eventually work its way through the horn. >Thanks Mr. Hecht ;-) > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Slide lubricants
Listen, Michael, dont think so scrulelous about anything regarding the horn (hardware). Use your common sense instead, please & not the subjective judgement of others, at least for such simple questions. If you exaggerate maintenance you will damage more than conserve. If you grease your slides ever 2nd day or every week, no wonder, grease may make it up to valves. Greasing: for example Vaseline or similar (I use a little round plastic box of the size less than a quarter & of a thickness of 1/4" full of the red slide fat - and this box last for years !): clean the slide off remaining fat, using toilet paper. When ? After water cleaning your horn once every month. Take a fingertip of fat with your little finger & place it on every shank of every tuning & valve slide, just so little you can just see it. Insert one shank into its place carefully & move the slide from one side to the other. Pull it out, inset the whole slide carefully. What will you see then ? Excess fat on the edge of the slide receiver & on the slide. Clean it away with toilet paper and insert the slide on its place. Repeat the procedure for the other slides. How should fat make it into the valves if you cleaned it away. The whole whining about comes only from these peoples who are too lazy to clean the excess fat away BEFORE inserting the slide. The fat layer on the slides is extremely thing, some thousandths of an inch. But, if you push & shave your slides up & down all the times instead of tuning your horn correctly ONCE & correcting occasional intonation differences with your partners by the use of the right hand & the embouchure, you must not WUNDER if mud, grease or else will be accumulated inside the slide shanks. It might be WISE, to push the slides fully in a few times before water cleaning your horn monthly, so to shave off eventually accumulated slime, grease mud from the inner walls of the slides. But be careful, as you said you are a quite big person, be careful with your power not to damage things. As Karajan said about a very, very prominent player in Vienna: "He is so tall, so big, like an elephant baby, he has so much power but does not know yet how to use it." = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Slide lubricants Hello everyone, I was reading the information archive on hornplayer.net, and read Mr. Hecht's posting about lubricating your slides with certain things. I am currently using Selmer's Pink goo stuff, and was wondering if thats the stuff that eventually works its way through the horn and intto the valves. What would be the best lubricant that allows the slides to move quite freely, forms a great seal, and does not dry up quickly and travel through the horn? Thanks, Mike PS: I heard that axle grease, vaseline, and other petroleum products are some culprits that will eventually work its way through the horn. Thanks Mr. Hecht ;-) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Slide lubricants
Hello everyone, I was reading the information archive on hornplayer.net, and read Mr. Hecht's posting about lubricating your slides with certain things. I am currently using Selmer's Pink goo stuff, and was wondering if thats the stuff that eventually works its way through the horn and intto the valves. What would be the best lubricant that allows the slides to move quite freely, forms a great seal, and does not dry up quickly and travel through the horn? Thanks, Mike PS: I heard that axle grease, vaseline, and other petroleum products are some culprits that will eventually work its way through the horn. Thanks Mr. Hecht ;-) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
