Re: [Hornlist] 2 questions re: old instrument
Thanks for catching me on that. I'm to familiar with my own instructions. It is also good to slop the baking soda rinse all over the outside, especially if you can't resist using the acid cleaner for a little tarnish removal on the outside, or if you've done some soldering with acid flux solder. I've become partial to the hydrochloric acid toilet bowl cleaner that 'clings to the bowl'. My guess is they thicken it with fumed silica or alumina (Cabosil or Alon-C). Does anyone know for sure or whether the additive might pose a potential problem. I haven't seen any problems so far. I buy mine from an industrial cleaning place, by the case. A quart generously does everything I want to do to a horn, and can obviously be run down any drain with no more environmental consequence than cleaning a toilet. With a few stoppers from the hardware store, I can isolate, and fill, the entire horn in stages. I do it in the kitchen sink with a strainer to hold upright various crooks. I can even use the three timers on the microwave, and upper and lower ovens. Make your claim to full use kitchen time so no one else is inconvenienced. The HCl content varies by product. A web search for the materials safety data sheet, MSDS, will easily locate any product and list the ingredients and concentration David Jewell wrote on 6/9/2004, 10:09 AM: > Hi Steve - in addition the the excellent advice that Mr. Bamberger > gave you and the list - I need to add that any time you use an acid > type of cleaner you need to immediately rinse with a watery solution > of baking soda - you need to stop any acid/metal reaction and plain > water won't do it. Even after a heavy clear water rinse there may be > acid residue that will then continue to react with horn from the > inside out - not good. After the baking soda rinse a thorough, heavy > clear water rinse is all that is neccessary. Happy restoring!! > Paxmaha > > Steven Tarter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just bought an oval Eb alto horn (looks like a small Wagner tuba) > for a"wall hanger". The seller claims it is about 100 years old. > Thanks, > -Steve Tarter-- > Tokyo, Japan > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 2 questions re: old instrument
Hi Steve - in addition the the excellent advice that Mr. Bamberger gave you and the list - I need to add that any time you use an acid type of cleaner you need to immediately rinse with a watery solution of baking soda - you need to stop any acid/metal reaction and plain water won't do it. Even after a heavy clear water rinse there may be acid residue that will then continue to react with horn from the inside out - not good. After the baking soda rinse a thorough, heavy clear water rinse is all that is neccessary. Happy restoring!! Paxmaha Steven Tarter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just bought an oval Eb alto horn (looks like a small Wagner tuba) for a"wall hanger". The seller claims it is about 100 years old. Thanks, -Steve Tarter-- Tokyo, Japan - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 2 questions re: old instrument
Clean the horn thoroughly from one end to the other. Toilet bowl cleaner with HCl will do a really good final cleaning of the inside. Like any acid cleaner, limit the exposure to a few minutes so you don't dissolve solid metal. A good detergent cleaning prior to the acid rinse will clean and degrease the horn. The clockwork mechanisms are fun to take apart and clean. Soak them in good penetrating oil and scrub them with equivalent scotch brite to remove any corrosion build-up. If a spring is broken, it's usually right at the end, and can be shortened a bit to get it working. Usually leak checking will get the horn playing. If you plan to be in Boston over the summer, bring it along and contact my brother at the Roma Band, www.romaband.com, and you can make a few bucks. When my son and I play, he marches with an EG Wright contrabass Saxhorn, and I play a circa 1880 solo alto. You'd fit right in. You'll experience the Boston North End as no tourist ever does. The 'societies' invite the band in for wine, and the Regina usually provides all the pizza you can eat. Steven Tarter wrote on 6/8/2004, 10:12 PM: > I just bought an oval Eb alto horn (looks like a small Wagner tuba) > for a > "wall hanger". The seller claims it is about 100 years old. > > I have two questions: > > 1) Does anyone know if submerging the instrument in a bath (for cleaning) > would cause the enclosed "clock-work" valve springs to rust? > > 2) Does anyone know what the "C.K.M.T.J. No 12" engraved on the bell > stands > for? > > Thanks, > > --Steve Tarter-- > Tokyo, Japan > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 2 questions re: old instrument
Squirt WD40 into the spring casing. That's what it's made for: WaterDisplacement. For that it works well. For lubrication, no. Keeps tools, etc. from rusting. Herb Foster --- Steven Tarter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just bought an oval Eb alto horn (looks like a small Wagner tuba) for a > "wall hanger". The seller claims it is about 100 years old. > > I have two questions: > > 1) Does anyone know if submerging the instrument in a bath (for cleaning) > would cause the enclosed "clock-work" valve springs to rust? > > 2) Does anyone know what the "C.K.M.T.J. No 12" engraved on the bell stands > for? > > Thanks, > > --Steve Tarter-- > Tokyo, Japan > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Henry Meredith on the CBC
Henry Meredith played trumpet at my stepfather's funeral in Michigan on Saturday (and found a hornist from Flint in the audience). He taped a program for CBC the previous Thursday. Henry says: "The producer took a digital photo (on my camera) of me and a Polish hunting horn posing with a statue of Glenn Gould in front of the CBC building!" http://www.cbc.ca/inperformance/schedules/sched_june.html Carole "so that's a Polish hunting horn" Nowicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Amateur band/orchestra conductors
At 09:08 PM 6/8/2004, Larry wrote: Is it acceptable good manners/politeness to ever suggest to the conductor of the band/orchestra how the group performance could be improved? Last night we heard the CD of our band performance of our recent concert; the CD indicated a very good performance, except some group sections were way too loud (e.g., the drummer!). The drummer I don't blame for his performance since he can't tell from his location how loud he is-- it is the conductor's job to do that. The CD is a brilliant performance but the loud drumming really detracts. The conductor acted very surprised, saying, "I don't think the drumming was really that loud!". If he is truly a good conductor he will learn from the recording and adjust. If he isn't, then nothing will change, and if that is the case and you have the opportunity to move to a better group, then do so. Nothing worse than sitting in a group and being unhappy. Margaret Margaret Dikel JCCSO Librarian / Horn 11218 Ashley Drive, Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Amateur band/orchestra conductors
A recording is maybe sometimes nog the best way to jugde how good a concert was. On a recording of our band we marked the following: - a recording with one mic, made from somewhere in the hall: good balanced - a recording with sectionmics: the drumming was way to loud: his drumming interfered in all the microphones placed around. - the recording of another concert with the drummer behind a plexiwall: it was a good balanced recording So judging a conductor must sometimes be nuancated? PD -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Larry Jellison Verzonden: woensdag 9 juni 2004 3:08 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: [Hornlist] Amateur band/orchestra conductors A review of the past season: we have heard from the professionals regarding what they put up with conductors, what about us amateurs? Is it acceptable good manners/politeness to ever suggest to the conductor of the band/orchestra how the group performance could be improved? Last night we heard the CD of our band performance of our recent concert; the CD indicated a very good performance, except some group sections were way too loud (e.g., the drummer!). The drummer I don't blame for his performance since he can't tell from his location how loud he is-- it is the conductor's job to do that. The CD is a brilliant performance but the loud drumming really detracts. The conductor acted very surprised, saying, "I don't think the drumming was really that loud!". Well, it was, and it has been all season. I have known it and don't understand why the conductor doesn't hear the balance between sections. My experience with two local orchestras resulted in the same situation; one, if fact, where the conductor loved horns and allowed the horns to overblow the orchestra. Do you (us) ever intervene, or do we just keep our mouths shut? One thing I'm doing is carefully listening to other groups to see which one I should jump to, the one that has a conductor that listens and adjusts. Larry J. ___ Internet Access, Shared & Dedicated Web Hosting. Colocation and Domain Name Registration at http://www.SharedPoint.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pieterdejonghe%40planetint ernet.be --- Deze mail is virusvrij. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 11/05/2004 --- Deze mail is virusvrij. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 11/05/2004 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
