[Hornlist] Horn competitions in Texas or southern US
Hey everyone, Does anyone know of any horn competitions in (preferably southern) Texas or the southern US? Not a school organized competition, but for any hornist of any age. Or is there a place I can check out on the internet? Thanks, Michael K. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cor Anglais & French Horn
Robert Dickow wrote: > > ...and it's interesting that the typical non-musician French person is > equally confused as the rest of us about les différences entre cor anglais, > cor d'harmonie, cor chromatique, cor à pistons, cor d'orchestre, cor de > chasse, et coeur de lion. ;-) > > Amicalement, > > Bob Dickow > Univérsité d'Idaho Oh ! Monsieur, 'ow could you forget: cor solo, cor mixte, cor Meifred, cor à palettes, cor omnitonique, cor aux pieds.. Yours truly, Alexandre, typical non-musician French person. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] bagpipes
Bagpipes: you either love them or hate them - but you CANNOT ignore them. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The Bagpipe NHR
I have part of a piece done for brass quintet and bagpipes. Funny sound, because the pipes are in A but it's really a bit closer to B-flat, and the scale is kinda funky. Composing this is interesting, because modulating and other situations are a challenge. I play a little bombarde, a traditional Britanny oboe of sorts, but much much louder--it is a bit like the chanter on a highland pipe and has the same tuning. I was in Lorient France last summer for the Festival interceltique and heard 80 bagpipe bands in parade... some bands sport up to 24 bombardes. The Scottish pipe bands never use bombardes, but the French (pardon bagads brétons) ones do, along with of course drums and 16-20 pipes typically. Fantastic!! Anybody ever play Peter Maxwell Davies' 'Orkney Sunrise and Wedding'? This modern orchestral piece has a piper enter toward the end. In Spokane Symphony a few years back the piper entered from the real of the auditorium and marched to the stage in full Scottish regalia. The audience went wild, and the piece was played again that season by popular demand. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music - Original Message - From: "Carl Vidos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Hornlist Memphis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] The Bagpipe NHR > On 6/17/04 6:26 PM, "David Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > All joking aside - well not all, but some - there could be some musical > > possibilities in a piece for horn ensemble and bagpipe. I assume that > > there is no such thing presently? One bagpipe would be enough. One piece > > would be enough. > > How about a piece for bagpipe ensemble and solo horn? There is a wonderful > group based out of Houston called "The Rogues" who happen to know a chap by > the name of Brian Thomas, the second horn of the Houston Symphony. Seems > Brian has done some solo work for them on a piece called "Bonny Portmore" > off their "V" album. It's quite nice, actually. I catch all the Rogues shows > at the state festivals we have here. > > Anyway, you can find out more here: > > http://www.therogues.com > > Click on the "listen" link, then choose the "Bonny Portmore" link. Let me > know what you think. > > Now for a bit of horn trivia. Which hornist (a list member, I believe) > played a duet for horn and Digeridoo? > > -Carl > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dickow%40uidaho.edu > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Geyer vs Kruspe wraps.
from: Harriet & Nielsen Dalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The significant difference between the two wraps was that the Geyer wrap had wider and more gradual bends in the main tubing. The result was that the F horn side has less resistance than in a Kruspe wrap. That meant the F and B flat horns sounded more "alike" in quality. Yes, the result of the Geyer wrap was that the wind passage went through the valve sets in opposite directions on the F and B flat sides. Merriweather, at Paxman, solved that problem in the 40L. He and I had a long discussion on this attribute many years ago. His theory was that the valve rotor should turn with the air flow when the valve lever is depressed, and that horns where the wind passage is in the opposite direction to the direction of the valve rotor causes an interruption in the smoothness of the air flow. Regards I apologize to clarify lest the original author be confused: The Paxman Model 40L is a Bb/F descant horn. Not a Knopf/Geyer wrap double horn as previously discussed. Bob Marlatt Boston MA ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Geyer vs Kruspe wraps
Paul had a very good posting a few months back regarding the differences in all the main different wraps of horns. I mention this because several times of late the Alexander 103 has been referred to as a copy of a Kruspe. This is plainly not correct as Alexander held the first patent for a double horn (around 1911 I think). The 103 is a large bore medium bell flare instrument and again is NOT a copy of the Kruspe-Horner model (which the Conn 8D most certainly IS). The 103 is also not a copy of the Kruspe-Wendler model which is the other common version of Kruspe wrap seen from the first half of the 20 century. Check out Paul's post-it is informative. The Jack Attack! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The Bagpipe NHR
On 6/17/04 6:26 PM, "David Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All joking aside - well not all, but some - there could be some musical > possibilities in a piece for horn ensemble and bagpipe. I assume that > there is no such thing presently? One bagpipe would be enough. One piece > would be enough. How about a piece for bagpipe ensemble and solo horn? There is a wonderful group based out of Houston called "The Rogues" who happen to know a chap by the name of Brian Thomas, the second horn of the Houston Symphony. Seems Brian has done some solo work for them on a piece called "Bonny Portmore" off their "V" album. It's quite nice, actually. I catch all the Rogues shows at the state festivals we have here. Anyway, you can find out more here: http://www.therogues.com Click on the "listen" link, then choose the "Bonny Portmore" link. Let me know what you think. Now for a bit of horn trivia. Which hornist (a list member, I believe) played a duet for horn and Digeridoo? -Carl ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Alexander 301 Triple Horn
Hello, I see Alexander has made yet another Triple horn. (Their 4th I believe!) The Mod 301. Has anyone tried one yet? best Wishes, Benno ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Geyer vs Kruspe wraps.
On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 05:55 AM, Harriet & Nielsen Dalley wrote:
The significant difference between the two wraps was that the Geyer
wrap had wider and more gradual bends in the main tubing.
Many Geyer Wrap Horns are more pleasing to me to look at, it is true,
because of the wider curving tubes.
The result was that the F horn side has less resistance than in a
Kruspe wrap. That meant the F and B flat horns sounded more "alike" in
quality. Yes, the result of the Geyer wrap was that the wind passage
went through the valve sets in opposite directions on the F and B flat
sides. Merriweather, at Paxman, solved that problem in the 40L.
He and I had a long discussion on this attribute many years ago. His
theory was that the valve rotor should turn with the air flow when the
valve lever is depressed, and that horns where the wind passage is in
the opposite direction to the direction of the valve rotor causes an
interruption in the smoothness of the air flow.
The "problem" with the air flowing in opposite directions on the two
sides also occurs on the Alexander 103 which is one of the original
Kruspe "copies".
The Merewether System was first used in the Model 20 I believe, a while
before the 40. Reading between the lines on Paxman's website, Paxman
is claiming that the Model 20 was ("completely original... ...broke
away from earlier designs" ) not a Geyer Horn at all.
What I am wondering, is that if it is better for the air-flow when the
valve moves in the same direction, what happens when the valve is
released again during a slurred passage? Then the valve will be moving
in the other direction again! Doesn't this have the same negative
effect which Merewether was striving to avoid?
I have noticed that on Paxman horns, all Valves rotate the same way.
On Alexander and Dürk they have different Combinations of clockwise and
anti-clockwise. I have not had time to examine any other Makes yet.
I wonder if most Makers give much consideration to this Factor?
On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 12:42 AM, Francois Lefebvre wrote:
The big difference is the valves are not at the same place between the
mouthpiece and the bell, on kruspe than on geyer for the Bb side.
So the placing of the various valves within the cylindrical section can
affect the characteristics? Can anyone say in what way what affects
what and how? And does the Amount of Conical Tubing vary much from one
Wrap to another, or the relative lengths of the Leadpipe and First
Branch/bell? Also, are these variations important compared to those in
the bore and geometry of the conical parts?
just curious,
Benno Heinemann
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RE: [Hornlist] NHR Spell check and a bit of irrelevant info
> > There was a famous (non British) singer on the British 'Oratorio Circuit' > some years ago who used to amuse orchestral players when singing 'The > Trumpet shall Sound' from Handel's 'Messiah' when he declaimed that the > dead shall awake at the sound of the "laast-a-strumpet!) > > NB - a strumpet is an old slang term for a lady of the night. Even further NHR... There's the old joke of the four friends, a musician, a librarian, a chef and an English Lit professor. Walking together one day on their way to dinner, they passed three ladies of the night. One of the men said "That's unusual, I've never seen three of them together round here before. I wonder what is the collective noun for such a group?" The chef suggested "A jam of tarts" The librarian offered "A volume of Trollope's" The musician proposed "A flourish of strumpets" The Eng Lit prof thought for a moment and eventually said "No, the correct word is not a jam, a volume or a flourish. It is an anthology - an anthology of English pros!" Regards Jonathan West ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] hand guards and other accessories
I have to agree as to the quality of the people. When I first encountered them several years ago after seeing an ad in I believe the ITG Journal, they were the most considerate, conversational and informative folks. We had a several minute general conversation, and all I had expected was for them to get my info to mail me a catalog. When I got the catalog I was immediately impressed by the care they obviously take to make a quality, musician informed product. From someone who has always made my own handguards, [you should see the fake sheepskin one, its really comfortable!!] I would not hesitate to get one of theirs in a NY minute. paxmaha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the plug. Don't forget my friend Ken Pope at Pope Instrument Repair. I believe Larry Black is now retired from Atlanta. They have moved the operation to North Carolina, and after some unfortunate problems caused by the move, are now back up in production. They are making some changes that the customer will not notice in the product per se, but will make it far easier for dealers to sell and order, making the hand guards, mouthpiece pouches, etc. made by Leather Specialties far more accessible to the consumer, in my opinion. Fine product, fine people. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited, Inc. - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cor Anglais & French Horn
In american jazz and popular music, and thence spread to the western world at large, any instrument is a "horn". I have even heard violinists refer to their instrument as "horn" when they were playing jazz. Another increasingly heard term is "axe", originaly used only by guitar players and now even used by the esteemed moderator of the other list to describe his horn. Paxmaha Benno Heinemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's only in american English the case. I don't know what "common english" should mean. To a speaker of british English ( or one like me who tries) or even an Australian I think, there could be not much chance of thinking Horn means Trumpet or Saxophone. Greater of the danger in England of thinking it is an E-flat tenor horn as Mr Kampen recently pointed out. Benno On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 06:36 PM, Herbert Foster wrote: > From: Herbert Foster > Date: Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:36:37 PM Europe/Berlin > To: The Horn List > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Cor Anglais & French Horn > Reply-To: The Horn List > > Because at least in common English "horn" is any wind instrument, in > spite of > our conceit about our horn being the only horn. > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Silly question: Why Horn name as " French Horn"?
I once had an interesting experience with bagpipes, that thankfully didn't involve them being played. During a rehearsal for my HS production of "Brigadoon" the bagpiper [there for the wedding scene] came down to the pit to put his pipes away and then spent nearly an hour showing us everything about their construction and playing techniques. All the while rehearsal was continuing around us, but us brass players, thanks to the patience and understanding of our wonderful director, got a once in a lifetime lesson. I still don't know why anyone would want to put 5 or 6 oboes together and think that it would work, but it does. paxmaha - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR Spell check and a bit of irrelevant info
Message text written by The Horn List >It caused some embarrassment years back, when the prime minister at an English spoken international press conference tried to say: "I hope I will have an outstanding election tomorrow!"< Dear Klaus and List There was a famous (non British) singer on the British 'Oratorio Circuit' some years ago who used to amuse orchestral players when singing 'The Trumpet shall Sound' from Handel's 'Messiah' when he declaimed that the dead shall awake at the sound of the "laast-a-strumpet!) NB - a strumpet is an old slang term for a lady of the night. Cheers Paul A. Kampen, 4th horn - Orchestra of Opera North (Leeds UK) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 18, Issue 19
Message text written by The Horn List >"It isn't ea-sy, it's blood-y diff-i-cult" That worked too.< Dear Lawrence So does a certain other little mnemonic but we had better draw a veil over that (this is a family list). Regards Paul Kampen ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 18, Issue 19
But it is not that way always. Sometimes it goes: One-n-tw-n-three-ee-ee Or one-ee-ee- two-n-three-n or ONE --two-three Or one-two-THREE Or One-two- one-two-three - one-two Even that is not consistent as the rhythm shifts with the composers will. The best is it, if the conductor decides, but certain sections or individuals might find it better for their particular entrance, if this particular measure is conducted in a special way. If so, ask your conductor to assist you for your entrance by considering a special way of conducting. Well, this might be sound strange but it is necessary for the perfection. Some conductors (??? Not worth the term !) might feel it as an insult as any question coming up from the orchestra. Fire this kind of conductors as they ruin not only the music but also spoil your fun making music, except you are some kind of masochistic. You could ask something like: "Maestro, you would help us a great deal for our entrance at measure XY, if you would subdivide kindly measure XY " If he gets furious or refuses to do so as just suggested, give him a very hard time until he gives up or bows in. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 18, Issue 19 The conductor of my college orchestra, a very experienced professional player used to conduct it "One, two, three-ee-ee" It worked very well. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 18, Issue 19
The conductor of my college orchestra, a very experienced professional player used to conduct it "One, two, three-ee-ee" It worked very well. When we played "The Perfect Fool" by Holst he encouraged the correct rhythm with the lines "It isn't ea-sy, it's blood-y diff-i-cult" That worked too. All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
