RE: [Hornlist] haydn concerto piano reduction
Sorry, Amy, if Scott uses the scores available on the market (edited bz Edmond Leloir - former KaWe or the other score from Musica Rara) instead of any score from complete Haydn Works (I do not know it yet), he is breaching the copyright law, as he is using copyrighted materal. If he travels to Germany to see the set of parts from the Oettingen Wallerstein Collection, writing his own score & making his own piano reduction from material he prepared himself, well, no objection at all. But the two scores mentioned above, are protected, as Leloir & von Pringsheim invested a lot of work to eliminate writing errors, set better clear phrasings etc. Jumping on board of a car which is running well, is too easy. Greetings from near Shangri-la Hans +++ > If Scott has done his own piano reduction from the full score, however, > he's not breaking copyright, is he? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Hans Pizka > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 7:36 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] haydn concerto piano reduction > > Hello Scott, > > the piano reduction for that double concerto is not #out of print since > long#, very sorry, it is available at any time in Edmond Leloirs > reduction > >from the original score, which is protected under copyright. It is K.100 > or > K.099 as full score & the parts are available as well. > > Greetings > Prof.Hans Pizka, on tour in Yuennan South Western China heading for > Shangri-la. > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/gix3514%40gmx.at > -- SigfridFafner the under ground horn player from Vienna NEU: WLAN-Router f?r 0,- EUR* - auch f?r DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = superg?nstig & kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9 Vibrato
What is your opinion on using vibrato with the horn? I used vibrato once on a horn solo passage during a collage performance. Miles "Mity" Johnson, the St. Olaf Band director and a fellow horn player, looked at me sternly and said, "Don't ever do that again." I complied except when mocking excessive vibrato from sax players. Claude Benson ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] haydn concerto piano reduction
Scott, Don't be so hasty in withdrawing your own reduction. You may indeed be able to offer your reduction without any problem. First of all, according to US copyright law, anything published prior to 1923 is in the public domain (see http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm). So if the score from which your reduction was taken was first published before that (and I'll wager the chances are that good that it was), you're in the clear. But what if it wasn't published before '23? Original works of art are generally protected by copyright law for some period of time after the artists death. Currently, that period is 70 years, though this varies quite a bit depending on when the work was first published. (see above URI.) After this interval, the work passes into the public domain and it is freely available for anyone to do with as they like. You may recall that horrible disco "Hooked on Classics" thing some years ago, in which all of the "oldies" were trashed - I'm sure Beethoven was turning in his grave! Nonetheless, this was perfectly legal as the tunes used were in the public domain. During the period of copyright protection, the copyright owner has complete authority over all aspects of his or her work, including performance rights (ever heard of ASCAP? They protect members works from being performed without having paid the appropriate performance fee and can be quite nasty about it), reproduction rights, and the right to produce so-called "derivative" works, such as arrangements and transcriptions. Here's an example: Many of us in America wish that America the Beautiful was our national song - it's so much more descriptive of the country and is much more musical than the Star Spangled Banner. AtB is in the public domain, so anyone can take that tune and make their own arrangement of it. Carmen Dragon did exactly that, and wrote one of the most stunning orchestra/band arrangments that I've ever played. While the original tune is in the public domain, Dragon's arrangement of it is subject to copyright protection. If I wanted to rearrange his version for horn quartet, I'd have to ask his permission (or rather his estate's permission as he has passed on) or I'd be subject to civil action. In Haydn's case, it's clear that any original copyright that Haydn has long since expired. If you were to work from his original score, you could offer your reduction without any fear of liability, regardless of whether someone else offered a similar reduction. However, if you were working from some publisher's score, things would be a bit more murky. You'd have to check to see what the dates of publication were but a new transcription or rearrangement is probably encumbered, and you'd need to ask permission to base your work on it. Note that the existance of a protected publication in someone elses catalog does not mean that you can't publish your own. You simply have to make sure that you base your work on something that is not protected. So while Leloirs reduction may still be available, that does not necessrily preclude you from making and offering your own. In the final analysis, you should look at the exposure that you might face were you to offer your reduction. Your exposure from Leloirs is zero, unless you make your reduction from theirs. If you take the reduction from Haydn's original score, your exposure from Haydn is zero. Neither Leloirs or anyone else has a claim simply because you make a similar arrangement from a public domain source. The only exposure that I can see is if you take your reduction from some other publisher's score. (And even then, if that other score is a note-for-note reproduction of the original, it's not protected either - only "new" material can be copyrighted!) Last note: I'm not an attorney, but for business and professional reasons, I've studied copyright law quite extensively. One thing I've learned is that there is more confusion about what copyright allows and what it doesn't. Check out http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/copyright.html for more detailed information. Sean message: 5 date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:00:24 -0700 (PDT) from: Scott Pappal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: Re: [Hornlist] haydn concerto piano reduction All and professor Pizka: I appreciate the information - and since I don't want to violate any copyright laws, I must withdraw my offer of the piano reduction to this concerto. Thank you for the update! Scott in Altoona ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Hose "A" can you "C"
John K wrote As a piano tuner with more than twenty years experience I can tell you that it is impossible to tune a piano properly with a pair of scissors. ** Not so fast, John. The scissors I buy at the local store come from China, so they are tuned to A = 445, instead of 440. But after I use them for a while, they're no longer sharp at all, making them perfect for tuning my piano. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hose "A" Can You See?
Hahaha, nevertheless it'd be in D. I suppose those would be for those 4th Hosaphone parts that were in Symphonie Fantastique, but were later whited out when Berlioz realised they were just too difficult to tune. Making a Hoseaphone sharp is easy. But, adding tubing to make it flatter is hard. Of course this was before the valved/slide Hoseaphone I suppose. And it was before PVC. -William In a message dated 8/9/2004 9:19:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That would then make the 25+ foot hose be pitched in D basso? Whoo! I shudder to think of navigating those close partials. Herb Foster ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] thanks
My thanks to all who helped with my CB liner notes request. I have them, and can now rest easier, knowing what track I am listening to. I would reccommend this cd to all, but since it is out of print, it is hard to track down. Maybe if we all put enough pressure on PHillips records, they may reissue it, along with the out of print Hermann Baumann cds. Paxmaha - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hose "A" Can You See?
That would then make the 25+ foot hose be pitched in D basso? Whoo! I shudder to think of navigating those close partials. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well if a D hose is 14 feet, than double that length would still be a D horn > > That would make it 28 feet, and so 25 feet would be close enough to work. If > anything it might be on the sharp side though hehe > > -William > > In a message dated 8/8/2004 10:51:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This seems wrong to me. My F hosepipe horn is a bit over 12 feet. To > be in D it would need to be extended quite a bit, likely about 14 feet, > I'd guess, or more. It is a small bore, however, less than a half inch > bore, about 7/16ths as I recall. I have a plastic funnel on the end > and a bit of 3/8 copper tubing as a receiver on the mouthpiece end. > > Paul Mansur > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] haydn concerto piano reduction
If Scott has done his own piano reduction from the full score, however, he's not breaking copyright, is he? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Pizka Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 7:36 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] haydn concerto piano reduction Hello Scott, the piano reduction for that double concerto is not #out of print since long#, very sorry, it is available at any time in Edmond Leloirs reduction from the original score, which is protected under copyright. It is K.100 or K.099 as full score & the parts are available as well. Greetings Prof.Hans Pizka, on tour in Yuennan South Western China heading for Shangri-la. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
