Re: [Hornlist] Tool for the Merker Pinky Ring
In a message dated 1/26/2005 12:29:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mine is also stamped 9/64 and I confirmed this with a dial caliper. One of the wrenches you tried may have been correct but worn, try a new one. Many local hardware stores don't carry 9/64 hex wrenches. Try www.grainger.com and search on 9/64. Somewhere around the second or third page of the search result you'll see the right hex wrench. You buy a package of 10 of them for something around $1.50 plus shipping. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Phantom of the Opera
Message text written by The Horn List It was absolutely breath-taking, to hear the horns go to town (haha!) when the Phantom and Christine have their wonderful love duet in the first half! I would recommend this movie to any and all musicians, and if anyone knows of who the musicians were in the horn section for that film I would love to know. Dear All I have checked with Hugh Seenan and he tells me that the horn section is:- Dave Lee, Richard Watkins, Mike Thompson, Paul Gardham, Richard Clews and Tom Rumsby. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time
I just picked up the Franz horn method and, somewhere towards the middle, he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well. I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? (By the way, it was fascinating to do this and listen to the beats between notes - a great way for someone like me with perfect pitch to first do what comes naturally, which is to sing even-tempered pitches, secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Phantom of the Opera
Such a great section for such terrible music!! Oops, did I say that out loud?:) Chris THE PHAAANTOM OF THE OPERA IS THEREE --- Paul Kampen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message text written by The Horn List It was absolutely breath-taking, to hear the horns go to town (haha!) when the Phantom and Christine have their wonderful love duet in the first half! I would recommend this movie to any and all musicians, and if anyone knows of who the musicians were in the horn section for that film I would love to know. Dear All I have checked with Hugh Seenan and he tells me that the horn section is:- Dave Lee, Richard Watkins, Mike Thompson, Paul Gardham, Richard Clews and Tom Rumsby. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tool for the Merker Pinky Ring
To Russ, John, Dave, Matt, and Hornlisters, Thank you all so very much for your assistance in my hour of Allen wrench need. I play a Finke most of the time, but use the Merker for Brass Quintet - my students think the Merker is the best horn ever made, so whenever one has a major performance, I loan the horn if it is needed. Ellen Manthe ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time
Steve, thee is an extensive article about these summation tones resulting from the addition of the overtones, the article is from Musical Ti8mes Sept.1st, 1925. These chords work best only for horns in F, E or E-flat or even lower (C-basso, Bb-basso, D). If you cannot hear the third pitch, may-be it is too weak, as you probably sing it in perfect pitch. If you shift your voice produced tone a bit up or down, you will listen some ugly high pitch. Play (concert) f hold it, sing (concert) c d in a slow movement in succession, you will immideately listen the third pitch. Finally play (concert) c (below stuff) (= the F-horn g below staff) sing a Seventh higher tone, you will hear a chord of 4 pitches then. But Steve, this is snow from after tomorrow. It is good that you know that this is possible, but it might be much better to improve the important things of horn playing, the roots, the basic, first for a few years. And, sorry to say that, you will NEVER need these funny horn chords (as they are named) as they occur just in the really difficult Concertino op.45 by C.M.von Weber the Concerto for Horn Violin by Ethyel Smyth a few modern works for hand horn or what ever horn, all (sorry again) to be far beyond what you might expect to play. This is (super) professional stuff. Nevertheless, it might be much fun for you, to experiment these things. Franz wrote a very good horn method, some classical book for the horn == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:20 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time I just picked up the Franz horn method and, somewhere towards the middle, he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well. I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? (By the way, it was fascinating to do this and listen to the beats between notes - a great way for someone like me with perfect pitch to first do what comes naturally, which is to sing even-tempered pitches, secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] church playing
Once again, for anyone who does any church music, try churchinstrumentalist.com, they have a great selection. paxmaha Gary Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list, I am forwarding the following message from one of our list members who is having some technical problems getting his message to go through. While I work on that, here is his request--remember to respond to HIM and NOT to me if you are not going to reply via the list! Gary Greene I am soliciting information on suitable music to play in church. I have been asked to play for two Catholic masses each week at a very large church. One mass is with large choir and organ and the other is with piano and a smaller choir. I need both short pieces for various places in the service and longer pieces for preludes and communion. We have had good success with Hovhaness' Artik with organ and I have done a fair bit of transcribing vocal solos for the shorter pieces. I also do a solo before the prelude (while the choir and organist are warming up). So far, I have done a fair bit of Bach. Other suggestions welcome. So much music needs an accompaniment. We had good response to Twyla Paris' Lamb of God both accompanied and not. You can also contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] should you need to send any attachment of suggested material. I know someone out there has collected a listing of horn music for church services. John Fenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time
Steve, Actually the E you'll hear is a sixth above the G, and it'll be kinda whistly sounding. Move the G to an A and the E above moves to an F (nice plagal cadence - is that spelled right? It's been a long time). You'll only hear the differential notes if the two main pitches (singing and playing) are PERFECTLY in tune with each other. Here's another: Play C below middle C and sing the E a third above middle C. Once tuned, you'll hear a G (above middle C) and, sometimes, the Bb above that. Or, play the same low C and sing the Bb above middle C. Now move the C up a fourth (F) and the Bb down 1/2 step (A). Drop the F a fifth (Bb) and repeat. Voila - ii-V's around the cycle! There are lots more!! I use multiphonics extensively in my solo improvised pieces (they're kinda hard to hear with the band playing) but it's avant-garde jazz trombonist Albert Mangelsdorff who has really taken the technique to another level. On 1/26/05 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- message: 10 date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:20:14 -0500 from: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time I just picked up the Franz horn method and, somewhere towards the middle, he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well. I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? (By the way, it was fascinating to do this and listen to the beats between notes - a great way for someone like me with perfect pitch to first do what comes naturally, which is to sing even-tempered pitches, secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) -S- -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn End of Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 ³Mark Taylor¹s quartet certainly is unlike any other performing in today¹s jazz scene.² Don Williamson, JazzReview.com An incisive soloist ... JazzTimes Taylor plays French horn boldly and lyrically... Bob Blumenthal, Atlantic Monthly http://www.mark-taylor.biz The new CD ³Circle Squared² is available at: http://www.cdbaby.com/marktaylor http://www.omnitone.com/store/artists/taylormark.htm ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time
The notes are there, the sum and the difference of the frequencies, but as
Hans says, probably too weak to hear well, with all that singing and
playing going on.
You will hear these other two notes even if the primary tones are out of
tune, but the secondary tones will be *very* out of tune. I have an
ancient vinyl recording of classical unaccompanied flute duets which are
sometimes very annoying because of the loud droning of the difference
frequency. It sounds like someone turned on an electric fan in the room.
It's lots of fun to begin singing on the note you are playing, then
slowly raise the sung pitch - you will hear the individual beats until
the difference is enough to call it a note. Sounds like an airplane
taking off.
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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time
Thank you, thanks Hans, thanks David, too. I think I just made this work for the first time - tell me if this sounds right. I'll have to do this in concert pitch, I'm afraid. Horn in F, open. I played the C that's the third partial. I sang the fifth partial, A. I heard some sort of low F, couldn't quite tell if it was the first or second partial, but the whole thing just made me laugh! Slgihtly adjusting the sung concert A up and down was interesting as well. I will have to show this to my wife and kids late - my son, the horn player will certainly want to try it as well. So, written horn in F, I played G, sang E a sixth above that, and heard C below. (I think I got that right.) -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of Mark Taylor Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:43 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time Steve, Actually the E you'll hear is a sixth above the G, and it'll be kinda whistly sounding. Move the G to an A and the E above moves to an F (nice plagal cadence - is that spelled right? It's been a long time). You'll only hear the differential notes if the two main pitches (singing and playing) are PERFECTLY in tune with each other. Here's another: Play C below middle C and sing the E a third above middle C. Once tuned, you'll hear a G (above middle C) and, sometimes, the Bb above that. Or, play the same low C and sing the Bb above middle C. Now move the C up a fourth (F) and the Bb down 1/2 step (A). Drop the F a fifth (Bb) and repeat. Voila - ii-V's around the cycle! There are lots more!! I use multiphonics extensively in my solo improvised pieces (they're kinda hard to hear with the band playing) but it's avant-garde jazz trombonist Albert Mangelsdorff who has really taken the technique to another level. On 1/26/05 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- message: 10 date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:20:14 -0500 from: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time I just picked up the Franz horn method and, somewhere towards the middle, he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well. I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? (By the way, it was fascinating to do this and listen to the beats between notes - a great way for someone like me with perfect pitch to first do what comes naturally, which is to sing even-tempered pitches, secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) -S- -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn End of Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 ³Mark Taylor¹s quartet certainly is unlike any other performing in today¹s jazz scene.² Don Williamson, JazzReview.com An incisive soloist ... JazzTimes Taylor plays French horn boldly and lyrically... Bob Blumenthal, Atlantic Monthly http://www.mark-taylor.biz The new CD ³Circle Squared² is available at: http://www.cdbaby.com/marktaylor http://www.omnitone.com/store/artists/taylormark.htm ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc omputer.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time
This brings back memories of a pysics wave lab setup I built back in college
that was so annoying I can't resist describing it to a younger generation. My
son has an old EMU emulator that he was able to program for a full keyboard
using this concept.
Because I alredy had a reputation for being obnoxious and annoying, the
instructor isolated me in in a cinder block storage room containing all kinds
of neat stuff, including signal generators and transducers (horn speakers). It
didn't take me long to discover the interesting properties of two audio
oscillators operating at high power above the human audible range, but beating
at a quite audible frequency. Meanwhile, I set up some of Cabbage's standard
rope tricks to show to my unsupecting victims, then watched them go slowly nuts.
Come to think of it, Tippet would probably love to write a concerto for it.
In a message dated 1/26/2005 1:54:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, David Goldberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The notes are there, the sum and the difference of the frequencies, but as
Hans says, probably too weak to hear well, with all that singing and
playing going on.
You will hear these other two notes even if the primary tones are out of
tune, but the secondary tones will be *very* out of tune. I have an
ancient vinyl recording of classical unaccompanied flute duets which are
sometimes very annoying because of the loud droning of the difference
frequency. It sounds like someone turned on an electric fan in the room.
It's lots of fun to begin singing on the note you are playing, then
slowly raise the sung pitch - you will hear the individual beats until
the difference is enough to call it a note. Sounds like an airplane
taking off.
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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[Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time
Steve Freides writes Franz . . .he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well.I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? . . . . . secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) Yes, Really cool stuff! I think the resultant tones can be heard better with larger intervals such as 10ths 12ths, maybe 6ths. I totally agree that multiphonics are great for ear training. When you sing and play a third it locks in when it is in tune as a natural third. You can then compare the difference between natural and tempered thirds. One of my faviorite pieces of music to do with horn chords is the prelude to Bach's 5th cello suite. With my low voice it works well in the orginal key. My 6th CD (with tape) has a bunch of my avant garde multi phonic horn solos on if anybody want to hear some recorded multiphonics. Richard Burdick 1st Horn Regina Symphony Regina, SK Canada ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time
For the penultimate in sound fun, download Test Tone Generator from
http://www.esser.u-net.com/ttg.htm
It is shareware and it will work for 30 days, then poof. It plays two
simultaneous tones of your choosing. Very good to experiment with. Feel
the beats!
You can tell that they haven't updated their website lately - they ask 20
euros to buy TTG, which they suggest is equivalent to about $21USD. Time
have changed.
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[Hornlist] Oberlin in Italy
Has anyone been or know anything about this festival? I've been skeptical about going to a festival in Italy again after my last experience, but maybe someone on the list can set me straight about this one. Chris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Jazz Horn gig for NY Area Hornlisters
Last Saturday¹s gig was cancelled due to the ³blizzard of 2005². Not to worry, though. I'll be playing this Saturday at a new spot in Brooklyn called the Spoken Word Cafe. It's on the corner of Union St. and 4th Ave (326 4th Ave) and I'll be there with my quartet Belbarbo. First set is at 8pm. Cover is $5. If you're in the NY area, please come on out and bring some friends. It should be fun. + Spoken Word Café 326 4th Ave. (between Union/President Sts.) Brooklyn NY (718) 569-3923 === Mark Taylor¹s Belbarbo Mark Taylor horn Lalo vibes Brad Jones bass === 8pm $5 Cover Mark Taylor http://www.mark-taylor.biz ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
