Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR

[Michael Henry]

David Goldberg wrote:
 
>
 

Uh, sure Davidand for some background on the totally discredited 
McCarthy-ite right wing racist nutcase Daniel Pipes (should you be interested 
and concerned),  you might want to check this out: 
 
http://www.actsofconscience.net/Pipes/stopthenomination.html
 
-Michael Henry
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from: David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned, check this out for
some background on the attack:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742


{  David Goldberg:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
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Re: [Hornlist] unnatural

[Valkhorn]

 
Exactly. 
 
I always joke about fixed pitch instruments like Vibraphones and Triangles  - 
especially when someone else is out of tune I jokingly turn around to the  
triangle player and tell them they're sharp or flat.
 
Actually you could tune a Triangle or a Vibraphone. All you need is some  
sandpaper or a welding arc and some patience.
 
-William
 
In a message dated 7/9/2005 6:59:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yeahbut... Even a natural horn needs a tuning slide and some terminal  
crooks, or it would be forever in one (right or wrong) key. 


 
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Re: [Hornlist] unnatural

[Jerry Houston]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In response to Alan Cole "I've never understood what it is about
> valves
> that's considered so unnatural."
>
> The naturalness of a horn come from the smoothness of its conical
> shape. The
> more valves and slides there are the more straight and therefore
> nonconicalness to the horn.

Yeahbut... Even a natural horn needs a tuning slide and some terminal 
crooks, or it would be forever in one (right or wrong) key. 

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Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven 9th fourth horn solo

[Hans]

What kind of orchestras & how often ?

If Berlin Phil & Vienna Phil get the solo played by the
soloist of the horn section, the principal, what might be
wrong with it. Risking a high class concert ??? And these
are the top pro orchestras.

Sorry !

= 

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Whenever I've played Beethoven's 9th in a professional
orchestra, the solo has been played by the very competent
fourth horn players.

John Schreckengost


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date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:04:13 -0500
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subject: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo
Beethoven's
9th

>From what I've heard in modern performances of Beethoven's
9th the 4th 
>Horn
Solo more often than not is performed by the Principal Horn
rather than the 4th Horn.

How long has this been the practice?  Why did Beethoven
score it for 4th Horn if the Principal would end up playing
it?  Was there that much difference between expectations of
4th Horns players when he completed the work and today?
Just curious.


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Re: [Hornlist] Peace Comes After Victory

[Hans]

That is the reason,why we cannot get peace  Not Giulio
Caesar, but Marcus Aurelius !!! The one with strategy,
brain, eloquence, but no heart, the other the philosopher,
the man with a great heart.

Austria did it well in history: they united the countries by
marriage. This worked until the selfishness & the greed for
power by some few groups & individuals destroyed the empire.
Nationalism, religious misunderstanding & onesided fanatism
- the worst driving forces to divide nations & to create
terror.

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Peace comes after victory.





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Re: [Hornlist] purchase descant horn

[Hans]

For what purpose do you need it ?
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Can I get some advise on purchasing a descant horn?
 
Thanks,
 
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[Hornlist] Beethoven 9th fourth horn solo

[John Schreckengost]

Whenever I've played Beethoven's 9th in a professional orchestra, the solo
has been played by the very competent fourth horn players.

John Schreckengost


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date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:04:13 -0500
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subject: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's
9th

>From what I've heard in modern performances of Beethoven's 9th the 4th Horn
Solo more often than not is performed by the Principal Horn rather than the
4th Horn.

How long has this been the practice?  Why did Beethoven score it for 4th
Horn if the Principal would end up playing it?  Was there that much
difference between expectations of 4th Horns players when he completed the
work and today?  Just curious.


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Re: [Hornlist] Endowed Chairs

[Edwin Glick]

I can answer this questions only partially. 
 
1. Howard Rachofsky (and his wife) are listed in today's Dallas Morning News as 
being among the world's top 10 collectors of art. (Their specialty according to 
the article, is contemporary art.) So, his interest in the arts is obvious. 
 
2) Every principal player (or almost every principal) in the Dallas Symphony is 
the recipient of an endowed chair. Why did Mr. Rachofsky endow the principal 
horn position? I don't know, but I can offer two possible reasons. First, 
perhaps because he is particularly fond of the horn (for which we applaud his 
great taste) or perhaps that was one of the positions available when he was 
asked to endow a principal chair. Or perhaps, for both reasons.
 
I hope someone in the Dallas area (or elsewhere in the country, for that 
matter) can fill in the blanks.
 
Ed Glick

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/9/2005 1:26 PM >>>

Any one on the list know who Howard E. Rachofsky is?  Why would he create an
endowed chair for Principal Horn with the Dallas Symphony?  The DSO web site
has not information on him.  



How long have people been providing funds to symphonies to such as this?  It
seems like it is relatively new.  

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Re: [Hornlist] purchase descant horn

[billbamberg]

Stupid computer!  
>From my personal experience, I can make some suggestions for you to consider:
 
Don't be in a rush.  Go out of your way to try any you can get your hands on.
 
Audition them with your regular mouthpiece.  You'll probably get as much use 
out of it as a Bb horn.  It will take some time to find a true descant 
mouthpiece that will be smooth over the break, and interchanges well with your 
normal full range mouthpiece.  A screw rim model with a scaled down version of 
your normal rim is a logical place to start.  A deep cup will give the best 
instant results, but physics says proper cup depth should scale with the length 
of the horn.  I've come to favor a shallower cup with a bowl shape to lower the 
pop frequency.  It sounds shrill and hard initially, but the darkness comes 
right back, because that's the sound I work to get.  The complex upper partials 
are the key to blending the Bb sound with the F alto.  Playing the horn as a 
full range double Bb gets you well grounded into the real tone potential of the 
instrument.  I routinely use mine for playing fourth horn for its agility in 
the low register.  Having the F alto available to the sect
 ion for high, exposed entrances is an interesting resource that has been a 
relief to tiring principals.  Just owning a good descant, even just to loan, 
has gotten me enough extra gigs to pay for the thing.  I even rent it out.
 
Don't get a horn with a large bell throat.  A large bell descant is a 
mellophone.  Medium throat works fine.  It preserves the upper partials needed 
to blend the F alto to the Bb.  It also makes the whole horn very agile.  If 
your regular horn plays symphonic works well, you'll find yourself using the 
descant, full range, for solos or small ensembles.
 
Make sure you have an F valve available.  If it comes on the horn, great.  If 
not, have an F crook made for the stopping valve.  Having the open F notes 
available is key to using the horn full range, as a double Bb.
 
As far as quality, Bob Osmun sold me my Paxman 42M, used, at a very fair price. 
 I could probably sell it to you for considerably more, and still give you a 
good deal.  Basically, it costs me the price of the cash I've got invested.  I 
use it as much as my double.  With Geyer sections becoming more prevalent, I'm 
using it more and more for section work and jazz/rock work.
 
 
 
 
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Subject: [Hornlist] purchase descant horn


Can I get some advise on purchasing a descant horn?
 
Thanks,
 
Ron
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[Hornlist] Endowed Chairs

[Bill Gross]

Any one on the list know who Howard E. Rachofsky is?  Why would he create an
endowed chair for Principal Horn with the Dallas Symphony?  The DSO web site
has not information on him.  

 

How long have people been providing funds to symphonies to such as this?  It
seems like it is relatively new.  

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Re: [Hornlist] purchase descant horn

[Aleks Ozolins]

Save the money on lessons to improve your high range, because you'll get
really miffed when you realize there is 8000$ sitting in your closet for 99%
of the time.

If you really want one, I recommend checking out the Alex 107.

(All in jest)
Aleks Ozolins
NYC

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>From my personal experience, I can make some suggestions for you to
consider:
 
Don't be in a rush.  Go out of your way to try any you can get your hands
on.
 
Audition them with your regular mouthpiece 
 
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Can I get some advise on purchasing a descant horn?
 
Thanks,
 
Ron
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Re: [Hornlist] purchase descant horn

[billbamberg]

>From my personal experience, I can make some suggestions for you to consider:
 
Don't be in a rush.  Go out of your way to try any you can get your hands on.
 
Audition them with your regular mouthpiece 
 
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Can I get some advise on purchasing a descant horn?
 
Thanks,
 
Ron
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Re: [Hornlist] Peace ...

[billbamberg]

That would leave me owing.  They already have to use irrational numbers when 
recording my IQ. 
 
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I just lost 10 IQ points...


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For a light hearted view of finding the answer, you might enjoy a side trip
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[Hornlist] unnatural

[rob]

In response to Alan Cole "I've never understood what it is about valves 
that's considered so unnatural." 

The naturalness of a horn come from the smoothness of its conical shape. The 
more valves and slides there are the more straight and therefore 
nonconicalness to the horn. 

Richard Burdick
1st Horn Regina Symphony
Regina, SK Canada
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Re: [Hornlist] Almost horn related

[Alan Cole]

I have removed the bell from my horn...

...just to facilitate putting it back in its case.

I'm putting the bell on the horn again next time I'm getting ready to play it.

With luck, that won't attract any mountain lions, coyotes, cats, birds, or 
terrorists.

-- Alan Cole, rank amateur
McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.
  ~
That's why I removed the bell from my bicycle.


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[Hornlist] Almost horn related

[HornCabbage]

Bill B wrote

I have cats that like to kill birds.  The cat's aren't evil, they're cats. 
A tree hugger neighbor put bells on the cats to protect her bird feeder. 
One by one the cats disappeared.  Those bells were dinner bells to the local
coyotes.  The coyotes aren't evil, they're coyotes.  I told the tree hugger 
I'd put the bells back on if she arranges the extermination of the coyotes.  
Interestingly, a mountain lion ate a bicyclist a few months back and 
started talk of eradicating the lions.  Fortunately, they're protected 
because 
they eat the coyotes.

***
That's why I removed the bell from my bicycle.

Gotta go,
Cabbage
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[Hornlist] Peace Comes After Victory

[Bill Hauser]

Peace comes after victory.





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[Hornlist] purchase descant horn

[MARKSUERON]

Can I get some advise on purchasing a descant horn?
 
Thanks,
 
Ron
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Re: [Hornlist] Peace ...

[Aleks Ozolins]

I just lost 10 IQ points...


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Re: [Hornlist] Peace ...

[Bill Gross]

For a light hearted view of finding the answer, you might enjoy a side trip
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