Re: [Hornlist] bell throats
On Apr 15, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Alon reuven wrote: Hi all , I am loyal to my Conn8D for almost twenty years now . once in a while I do try a new horn , but only recently I got to test play two versions of the same instrument ( Ricco Kuhn 293 model ) with diferent bell throats . I must say that as far as sound , focus , and resistance, the diference was imence ! I wonder - did'nt anybody think of the Idea of interchangable throats ? imagine what a difference it would make in the performance profile! is there anybody who performes this " operation "? From http://www.corno.de/schmid/deu-eng/engelbert.htm: "Engelbert Schmid horns are available in four different bell sizes: small, medium, wide and extra-wide. Most choose medium or wide. The sizes medium, wide and extra-wide differ only in the taper of the bell, so that with a screw bell horn it is possible to change from one size to another just by changing the bell. Many decide to take two bell sizes for use with different types of music. Four alloys (brass, goldbrass, nickel-silver and strling silver) plus, when desired, a bell with ring complete the choices and add to the range of sound variations. You can also choose a bell made in the difficult historical fashion, out of one piece and hammered by hand" Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] bell throats
Hi all , I am loyal to my Conn8D for almost twenty years now . once in a while I do try a new horn , but only recently I got to test play two versions of the same instrument ( Ricco Kuhn 293 model ) with diferent bell throats . I must say that as far as sound , focus , and resistance, the diference was imence ! I wonder - did'nt anybody think of the Idea of interchangable throats ? imagine what a difference it would make in the performance profile! is there anybody who performes this " operation "? Alon Reuven ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wichita Band
Recently I was in contact with Wichita Band about possibly purchasing a new Alexander horn. They did not stock the options I wanted and their next shipment of horns was already paid-for. I was told that I was to be contacted the next day with availability and price information for the options I wanted and, as I understood it, that if I ended up buying a horn, I may be able to get it faster by putting down a fully refundable $200 deposit that day and I would be called the next day to make a decision. I was not called back to this day and a few weeks ago, I recieved a bill in the mail for a new horn! I called WB and had the "order" that I supposedly made cancelled and was told that it would be a few days to have my deposit refunded. Nearly 3 weeks later, the deposit had not been refunded and I called again to see what the deal was. I spoke to the salesmen with whom I spoke on my first call and he said he clearly remembered that I "bought" the horn from them and more or less told me that I was wrong. I then inquired about when I could get my deposit back and I was told their policy is that they do returns 3 weeks after the request has been put in. (remember that I was told on the phone from another salesperson that it would only be a few days. I just returned a pair of shoes that broke and the money was back in my account in about 2-3 days) At this point, the deposit should back into my account around the middle of next week, so that's probably as good as I could hope for, but I feel VERY deceived and almost tricked into buying a horn. I must add this though: The second person I spoke to on the phone, with whom I cancelled my "order", was absolutely professional, curteous, and was just totally cool about the whole thing. /end rant, Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: leadpipes on 8D
It's good to realize though that historical value and playing value are not necessarily in conflict. Those old cats knew how to make a horn that sounded and played great in the old days. I've seen too many of those great old horns "modernized" so that they now sound bland, dead, "digital", whatever you want to call it. The way most newer horns sound. The magic was in those old parts that got thrown away. You really can't improve an old horn that has mechanical trouble (leaks) by adding new parts. Fix the leaky valves and slides and you may find the original leadpipe was pretty darn good! Having said that, it's very possible for an old leadpipe to be just worn out or damaged beyond use. Then you don't have much choice. Of course you should get my new leadpipe which is in trials right now but should be ready for production in the next couple of months. - Steve Mumford In a message dated 4/15/06 1:00:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steve F writes: > The sound is what matters, and historical value is for things that sit in a > glass case somewhere. If you play the thing, make it to your liking limited > by only your good judgement and your wallet. If your horn is of historical > value, put it on the shelf and buy one to play! > > I realize I'm oversimplifying a bit but these two things - historical value > and playing value - are really potentially in conflict. People don't > commute in Model T's. > > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Leadpipes on 8d Luke Zyla's Post
Hornfolks My absolute opinion. If one purchases an 8d; one would wish to do his/her best effort to obtain an Elkhardt 8d. Especially L,M,N series and perhaps even the rarer earlier series. One may do quite a bit of shopping, searching & haggling with collectors of these wonderful horns; but it is WORTH it. I had an L series & loved it for 20 yrs. It got trashed on a Mexico City bus (not my fault). When they moved the factory to Texas, the quality of 8d's fell quite dramatically. I accidentally, due to the purposeful action of a dishonest music store owner in Alabama, obtained an 8d that I was told was an Elkhardt; however proved to be an hybrid (some Texas some whatever.) It was a piece of ; played out of tune; valves froze up; metal too thin for my taste . I got rid of it after 2 yrs, bought my Millenium Merker 2000 & loved it. Still have it; still love it but it is not the same as an 8d. If I could get another Elkhardt 8d I would fork over the $ in an instant if I had it. I understand the factory has moved to a different location & improved the quality of the 8d. I have not played any of these horns, therefore cannot offer my honest opinion; however should I come across one, the list will know my honest thoughts, both good and not so good. and as far as placing a different model of leadpipe on a horn. One wishes to be most cautious in doing this. I had a (particular unnamed brand) of leadpipe installed on my old Alexander Mainz horn; which; prior to this, played perfectly on tune; tested perfect on a chromatic strobotuner. After the leadpipe was installed, the horn played FEROCIOUSLY out of tune. In addition, the PERSONS (I will not give out the name because everyone knows who they are...); did something to the valves that caused them to leak worse than they had before; in addition, they polished the horn so much that the metal became quite thing (it was unlacquered. I had to sell it & got my Elkhardt, due to a happy coincidence in Moss Landing, CA where an antiques dealer had 2 of them for $150.00 apiece purchased from a dentist who had intended to hang them on his wall as garden ornaments. Thank God I got to that horn before someone else. It saved my playing. best wishes to all of you Rachel Harvey > >From: "Luke Zyla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] leadpipes on 8D > >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:48:13 -0400 > > > >All I can say is that I wasn't pleased with the upper register and the > >focus of the low register on my 8-D. The goal of a company like Conn is to > >>>maximize profit by producing the best horn for the lowest price. This > >involves > >compromise. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: OIL Issues
This message has been processed by Symantec's AntiVirus Technology. Unknown.data was not scanned for viruses because too many nested levels of files were found. For more information on antivirus tips and technology, visit http://ses.symantec.com/--- Begin Message --- Hornfolks Here is what I learned from an excellent repairman in Sacramento, CA (Sac State). I have a horn w/mechanical linkages and even though I use Roche Thomas on inside of slides & a heavier weight oil on linkages, occasionally it will still clonk on me. I took the horn in 2003 to this repair person. He used a BIT of TRANSMISSION Type F fluid (red stuff) on my valves. Just a TEENY drop. Fixed the problem...at least temporarily for several years. It is now 2006 and I need to do this again, so I may go to my garage & swipe some Type F & do it myself & see what happens. He warned me not to use more than a TINY drop so it is your call if you wish to do this; I take NO responsibility because this is a 3rd party call. At any rate it was NOT harmful to my instrument although I cannot attest this to be true for unlacquered instruments because I do not know. Rachel Harvey -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This message has been processed by Symantec's AntiVirus Technology. Oil Issues clonking mechanical valves...referenced --- Begin Message --- --- Begin Message --- Send Horn mailing list submissions to horn@music.memphis.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Horn digest..." Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT include the entire digest in your reply. For more netiquette information, see: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today's Topics: 1. RE: Oil advice needed please (Hans.Pizka) 2. RE: Oil advice needed please (christine williamson) 3. RE: Oil advice needed please (R. Saylor) 4. RE: Oil Advice ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5. RE: RE: Oil Advice (Joe Scarpelli) 6. RE: RE: Oil Advice (Joe Scarpelli) 7. RE: RE: Oil Advice (christine williamson) 8. RE: Music Making and Mozart (Bill Gross) 9. Re: leadpipes on 8D (Gretchen) 10. Oil Advice (Jay Kosta) 11. RE: Music Making and Mozart (Hans.Pizka) 12. Re: Oil advice needed please (Paul Mansur) 13. Re: Leadpipes on 8d ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- message: 1 date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:38:40 +0200 from: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please Well, this horn seems to have passed some years. Look at the linkage, if there is some "mobility" at the connections of the arms, where metal "clonks" metal, perhaps. If you hold both arms & they seem to allow a bit of movement at the connections, bring the horn to a repairman to get it fixed. What kind of linkage does it have ? Is it a cross-joint ? (mostly) This can be fixed. My Easter break is La Tosca tomorrow & Parsifal on Sunday = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christine williamson Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:41 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please > - Original Message - > From: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As Loren said, a good repair person might help. But as you said, the > valves are getting noisy, you should consider checking the valve > linkage first, as here wear appears first. How old is your horn ? Thankyou, I did check the linkage and it seemed OK although I wasn't 100% certain to know what to look for. There is a brass repairman in town so perhaps I'll ask him to take a look too. My horn is a Gerhard Schneider B&H sponsored Master Model. I don't know how old it is, it only has 131205M stamped on the leadpipe but no other markings. I suspect it has been around for a while but it is a bit of a mystery instrument! You were actually the only person able to provide me with any information on G. Schneider a year or so ago. Thankyou again for your suggestions. As it is my only instrument (and the only one I'm ever likely to have) and I value it dearly I want to take the best care of it that I can. Have a Happy Easter break! Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/
[Hornlist] [NHR] Bernie Glow -- Lead Player
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Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven 3
Message text written by The Horn List > once played it in a large orchestra under a >> show-boating, flamboyant conductor. He doubled the horn section with >> six of us and had us play the solo line with all six of us playing >> the tune, bell up and ff! < Dear All Sir John Barbirolli always performed it this way and this can be heard on an LP (I do not know if it was ever transferred to CD) with the BBC Symphony Orchestra - all six horns playing the Trio. I remember my teacher - Julian Baker - who was then 1st horn of Sir John's Halle Orchestra in Manchester grumbling that "The old man is trying to thin the metal out!" when he came in for a teaching session after a day spent rehearsing with Sir John. 'The Old Man' was the Halle players' knickname for Sir John who died, aged only 70, in 1970. I got my first dates with the Halle a couple of weeks before he died but never played for him. I was offered his last recording sessions on 6th for some Delius but turned them down as I thought that I would not be released from my last performances as a full time student (it was made very clear to me by the college principal that I was a total idiot for doing this and, of course they would have released me - no modern 22 year old would be so green!). 'The Old Man' collapsed during these sessions, got off the stretcher on which the ambulance crew were trying to take him to hospital, finished the sessions, went home, did a couple of rehearals with the Philharmonia the day after the sessions and then died during the night - not "on the box" as he would have wished. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rauch Bell Rings
Hi List, A while ago I acquired an excellent condition Berlin Schmidt horn that had work done by Steve Lewis and Dan Rauch. I know that when Dan Rauch converted the bell to detachable bell he put one of his screw rings on it and manufactured another bell to go with the horn. I received both bells when I picked up the horn; but I like the original silver/copper plated bell compared to the excellent condition Rauch bell. So, I have for sale the bell made by Rauch (absolutely nothing wrong with it unlaquered in perfect condition); and I'm trying to figure out which bell ring Rauch used in the Mid to Late 70's. If anyone out there has experience with Rauch's equipment please let me know. IF anyone would like to make an offer please mail me off list. Thanks for your time, Josh Johnson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Selling my horn
Hello, all I am currently selling my Conn 11D horn on ebay. The opening bid is set for $800 (a steal!). I'm not giving up playing or anything - I'm replacing it with a different horn, because the 11D and I were not a good match. The auction can be found here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Conn-11D-Horn-Professional-Model_W0QQitemZ7407586523QQcategoryZ16215QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Or if that does not work, just look it up under Musical Instruments:Brass:French Horn Most of this information about the horn is listed in the description, and any more questions can be addressed to me. It has been played heavily but well maintained. It is a good instrument, and probably ideal for one with a smaller build, because it is a very lightweight, small horn. The 11D is very similar to the 10D. The only difference is the bell throat - the 11D is larger. It is a good horn, and I would keep it for use in chamber music, but I am a broke college student who needs the money more than an extra instrument. If you're interested, take a look! Thanks, Anna - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
