RE: [Hornlist] Re: Bells Up - new positions!
Sorry, there is a much better solution if you modify position no 3) as follows: Just stand up, hold your horn as usual but remove the hand from the bell. The bell is pointing to the director. You have no difficulty following the conductor if the orchestra has a big mirror at the back. This position has several advantages: 1) the conductor can see his own stupid & disturbing gestures and 2) you can shoot right to the conductor even enforcing the sound by odor from body escapes. If a conductor has not better things to care so much as for "bells up", take his stick away & break it into pieces & feed him these pieces. He is surely an incompetent a... hole. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Jellison Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:51 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Bells Up - new positions! To have the bells facing forward, I have discovered three new positions for the horn player: 1) Standing, facing forward, bow forward such that your face is toward the floor. Point the bell toward the conductor and up at 45 degrees. It is virtually impossible to use the trigger valves in this position-- if your horn stands in F, Hans will mightily approve, possibly. Of course, you can't see the conductor, but so what? 2) Standing, rotate yourself 90 degrees to your left. Raise horn. You might have a little bit of peripheral vision to see the conductor. Regardless, you can follow your principal from this position. The principal will be forced to take a leadership role. 3) The most creative position, and my favorite, is standing, rotate 180 degrees so you are looking toward the back of the orchestra. Hold the bell up so that it is over your head, aiming basically upwards. If you need more bell projection toward the front, then you need to bend over backwards somewhat. For an elegant twist, rotate the horn so that the bell axis is at a 45 degree with vertical. I'm somewhat surprised that Mahler didn't think of this position. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: FW: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
In a message dated 4/27/06 1:53:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The wax idea would > serve a similar function as the graphite and indeed one could use a chunk of > bakers paraffin too (found in the baking aisle of your grocer) > Wax from a candle will also work just as well. A very small amount is all you need. I never recommend any petroleum based lubricants for bell rings to my clients. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Women In Brass Sections....
L.O.L.!! Best regards, Martin Bender On 27-Apr-06, at 11:10 PM, Jerry Houston wrote: matthew scheffelman wrote: Another great player, Elizabeth Freimuth, just won Principal Horn of the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra. Heard from a friend. Yeahbut... don't keep us in suspense. What's she lube her bell threads with? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Women In Brass Sections....
matthew scheffelman wrote: Another great player, Elizabeth Freimuth, just won Principal Horn of the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra. Heard from a friend. Yeahbut... don't keep us in suspense. What's she lube her bell threads with? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
I'm not going to get drawn into a pissing contest regarding factual or non-factual methodologies or mythologies. I have owned screw-bell horns for 30 years, performed hundreds of concerts in formal attire, and consistently lubricated and cared for my horns as I described, using miniscule amounts of wheel bearing grease. I was sharing my experiences with someone who was requesting assistance in the maintenance of screw rings, based on my own experience-- far from making ignorant pronouncements. That someone has a different perspective based on their experience, does not give another person license to label them or their experience ignorant. Different would be a more appropriate adjective. Respect for another persons ideas is a basic tenet in the information sharing process, and as a clearing house for information, this site can be a valuable resource. As adults, it's a sign of maturity that two people can disagree without being disagreeable. Best regards, Martin Bender On 27-Apr-06, at 8:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be a good idea if you had some factual information about my method and the materials I use before making ignorant pronouncements. Most of the performances I do require formal attire, and it is idiotic to recommend the use of graphite or bearing grease, neither of which can be removed from white clothing. The Scotch-Brite I recommend is the equivalent of steel wool and is used to prepare a surface for final polishing. The abrasive is embedded into a plastic matrix. If there is any residue it can be wiped off, unless you're foolish enough to mix it with bearing grease. The wax paper leaves a very thin, hard surface behind that is very smooth and slippery. It is good to replenish the wax surface, but it should never have to be cleaned off -Original Message- From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:13:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. I disagree. The Scotch-brite (which is an abrasive material) pad will leave fine particles behind, which are abrasive. Then you have to clean the threads of the small abrasive particles that remain, or else they get ground up in the threads. I would never use Scotch-brite on the soft metal the threads are made of, on any of my three horns which are all screw bells. Ideally, you want the threads to have a very small amount of lubricant, in order to slide smoothly over each other as they are very fine. Wax will also attract dirt, and is much harder to remove once it gums up the threads. You can always clean the threads with a spot of kerosene on a clean rag; this will dissolve the grease, and clean the threads so you can then re-apply a small amount of grease to the threads. Selmer makes a synthetic slide grease (it's red) which also works quite well. Think very small amounts. The threads on a screw bell horn are like the slides on your horn. They do require a bit of attention in order to last for the life of the instrument. Best regards, martin bender On 27-Apr-06, at 2:22 PM, Christine Ranson wrote: > Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! > > Where is wax paper avaliable from? > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Reply-To: The Horn List >> To: horn@music.memphis.edu >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. >> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:11:20 -0400 >> >> Lubricants will make a mess and attract grit like a magnet. Get an >> extra fine Scotch-Brite pad at home depot and polish any crud off >> the threads. You just want to remove what shouldn't be there. With >> the threads clean, rub them hard with a wad of wax paper. Keep the >> wad in your case to dress the threads when needed. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: The Horn List >> Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:45 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. >> >> A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will keep >> them moving smoothly. >> Martin Bender >> >> On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote: >> >> > I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I > bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) >> > >> > ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need >> any > kind of lube or special oil or anything? >> > >> > _ >> > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >> > >> > ___ >> > post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/ mailman/>> > options/horn/embee%40magma.ca >> >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/ma
[Hornlist] Women In Brass Sections....
Another great player, Elizabeth Freimuth, just won Principal Horn of the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra. Heard from a friend. I don't think women are "taking over" brass sections as another poster said. There are many more orchestras around the world, many more people, many more players with good or great teachers. It is logical that more and more great women horn players will rise in the ranks to the top orchestras and then, to the top positions. I am happy to hear about great players getting the great jobs. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Lubricants are also like religion - either you believe or you don't. I have a history of this with bicycles, not with horns, but the religious fervor is no different there. Some folks lube their bike chains with kerosene, others WD40, others dip their chains in melted wax and let it dry on a clothes line. There are commercially available lubricants based on graphite, based on wax, based on silicone, and whatever else you might imagine. The bottom line is that they all work well enough for some people to think very highly of them, so I say 'to each his own'. Steve "a big fan of fixed-gear bicycling" Freides > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of John Dutton > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM > To: Memphis Hornlist > Subject: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. > > "It might be a good idea if you had some factual information > about my method and the materials I use before making > ignorant pronouncements. Most of the performances I do > require formal attire, and it is idiotic to recommend the use > of graphite or bearing grease, neither of which can be > removed from white clothing." > > > Without trying to continue this impending rumble, I must > redirect here. I am a professional performing musician as > well who has no trouble keeping his whites white and keeping > graphite (pencil lead) on his bell threads despite apparently > being an idiot-the first time I have been called that by > anyone other than my ex-wife ^_^. I also did not denounce > your method if you recall. Perhaps my own method of several > decades has some merit despite my cognitive state. YMMV > > Again, if one of the repair gurus weighs in we will all have > a more definitive answer. Until then maybe we should all > take Jerry Old's advice, "Bottom line ... it don't make a > hill 'o beans. Use whatcha' got. Use what we know." > > The Jack Attack! > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays > computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Talking about beer is like talking about BBQ and they are both closely related to religion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:26 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. Aahh; Hetman & Guinness? Leigh On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Now can we get back to which oil is best and which beer > is the favorite among horn players? > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City;-)) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
"It might be a good idea if you had some factual information about my method and the materials I use before making ignorant pronouncements. Most of the performances I do require formal attire, and it is idiotic to recommend the use of graphite or bearing grease, neither of which can be removed from white clothing." Without trying to continue this impending rumble, I must redirect here. I am a professional performing musician as well who has no trouble keeping his whites white and keeping graphite (pencil lead) on his bell threads despite apparently being an idiot-the first time I have been called that by anyone other than my ex-wife ^_^. I also did not denounce your method if you recall. Perhaps my own method of several decades has some merit despite my cognitive state. YMMV Again, if one of the repair gurus weighs in we will all have a more definitive answer. Until then maybe we should all take Jerry Old's advice, "Bottom line ... it don't make a hill 'o beans. Use whatcha' got. Use what we know." The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
It might be a good idea if you had some factual information about my method and the materials I use before making ignorant pronouncements. Most of the performances I do require formal attire, and it is idiotic to recommend the use of graphite or bearing grease, neither of which can be removed from white clothing. The Scotch-Brite I recommend is the equivalent of steel wool and is used to prepare a surface for final polishing. The abrasive is embedded into a plastic matrix. If there is any residue it can be wiped off, unless you're foolish enough to mix it with bearing grease. The wax paper leaves a very thin, hard surface behind that is very smooth and slippery. It is good to replenish the wax surface, but it should never have to be cleaned off -Original Message- From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:13:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. I disagree. The Scotch-brite (which is an abrasive material) pad will leave fine particles behind, which are abrasive. Then you have to clean the threads of the small abrasive particles that remain, or else they get ground up in the threads. I would never use Scotch-brite on the soft metal the threads are made of, on any of my three horns which are all screw bells. Ideally, you want the threads to have a very small amount of lubricant, in order to slide smoothly over each other as they are very fine. Wax will also attract dirt, and is much harder to remove once it gums up the threads. You can always clean the threads with a spot of kerosene on a clean rag; this will dissolve the grease, and clean the threads so you can then re-apply a small amount of grease to the threads. Selmer makes a synthetic slide grease (it's red) which also works quite well. Think very small amounts. The threads on a screw bell horn are like the slides on your horn. They do require a bit of attention in order to last for the life of the instrument. Best regards, martin bender On 27-Apr-06, at 2:22 PM, Christine Ranson wrote: > Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! > > Where is wax paper avaliable from? > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Reply-To: The Horn List >> To: horn@music.memphis.edu >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. >> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:11:20 -0400 >> >> Lubricants will make a mess and attract grit like a magnet. Get an >> extra fine Scotch-Brite pad at home depot and polish any crud off >> the threads. You just want to remove what shouldn't be there. With >> the threads clean, rub them hard with a wad of wax paper. Keep the >> wad in your case to dress the threads when needed. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: The Horn List >> Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:45 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. >> >> A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will keep >> them moving smoothly. >> Martin Bender >> >> On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote: >> >> > I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I > bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) >> > >> > ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need >> any > kind of lube or special oil or anything? >> > >> > _ >> > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >> > >> > ___ >> > post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/>> > options/horn/embee%40magma.ca >> >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/>> options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com >> >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/>> options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com > > _ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://> join.msn.com/toolbar/overview > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/> options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
In a message dated 4/27/2006 7:59:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...and remember, Guinness for strength! -- I think it might not be right for me to pick a "best" oil, but I will heartily add another vote for Guiness. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Blue Juice on the rotors ATF on the bearings snip and vote #2 for Guinness Phil Hey Phil, If the Bureau of ATF is bearing down on you, you might want to cut back on the Blue Juice. ...and remember, Guinness for strength! The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Blue Juice on the rotors ATF on the bearings (automatic transmission fluid) - really automotive grease for the slides and vote #2 for Guinness Phil In a message dated 4/27/2006 5:27:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aahh; Hetman & Guinness? Leigh On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Now can we get back to which oil is best and which beer > is the favorite among horn players? > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ;-)) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/plj59%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Aahh; Hetman & Guinness? Leigh On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now can we get back to which oil is best and which beer is the favorite among horn players? Regards, Jerry in Kansas City;-)) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
On Thursday, April 27, 2006, at 02:22 PM, Christine Ranson wrote: Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! Where is wax paper avaliable from? From your kitchen, of course. Mansur's Answers ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
> -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Christine Ranson > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:23 PM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. > > Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! > > Where is wax paper avaliable from? The grocery store? -S- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: The Horn List > >To: horn@music.memphis.edu > >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. > >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:11:20 -0400 > > > >Lubricants will make a mess and attract grit like a magnet. Get an > >extra fine Scotch-Brite pad at home depot and polish any > crud off the threads. > >You just want to remove what shouldn't be there. With the threads > >clean, rub them hard with a wad of wax paper. Keep the wad > in your case > >to dress the threads when needed. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: The Horn List > >Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:45 -0400 > >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. > > > > A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will > keep them > >moving smoothly. > >Martin Bender > > > >On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote: > > > > > I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time > since I > > >bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) > > > > > > ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw > bit need any > >> kind of lube or special oil or anything? > > > > > > _ > > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? > Download MSN > > >Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > > > > > ___ > > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/> > >options/horn/embee%40magma.ca > > > >___ > >post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > >http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com > > > > ___ > >post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >unsubscribe or set options at > >http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40ho > tmail.com > > _ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! > http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays > computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: FW: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
In a message dated 4/27/2006 1:53:45 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Graphite used for locks (or a pencil lead) is the choice du jour. The wax idea would serve a similar function as the graphite and indeed one could use a chunk of bakers paraffin too (found in the baking aisle of your grocer). Hi, To add to the confusion pencil lead contains clay which is an abrasive, however, many use and recommend it. Candle wax can also be used and is more easily available than baker's paraffin. Bottom line ... it don't make hill 'o beans. Use whatcha' got. If it's grease, be careful not to get it on your white tux shirt or blouse. If it's pencil lead, be prepared to have the worn ring replaced in about 60-70 years. Common sense if it's dark like pencil lead, grease or graphite, it will probably stain. If it's greasy like grease, oil or candle wax, it will attract dirt and will probably stain. Just be careful. IMHO, the threads should be lub'ed with something simply to keep the threads from seizing. The horn may be damaged trying to remove a stuck bell not to mention the embarrassment of having to carry the horn to the car in one hand and the cut bell case in the other. I use candle wax. Now can we get back to which oil is best and which beer is the favorite among horn players? Regards, Jerry in Kansas City;-)) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Bells Up - new positions!
To have the bells facing forward, I have discovered three new positions for the horn player: 1) Standing, facing forward, bow forward such that your face is toward the floor. Point the bell toward the conductor and up at 45 degrees. It is virtually impossible to use the trigger valves in this position-- if your horn stands in F, Hans will mightily approve, possibly. Of course, you can't see the conductor, but so what? 2) Standing, rotate yourself 90 degrees to your left. Raise horn. You might have a little bit of peripheral vision to see the conductor. Regardless, you can follow your principal from this position. The principal will be forced to take a leadership role. 3) The most creative position, and my favorite, is standing, rotate 180 degrees so you are looking toward the back of the orchestra. Hold the bell up so that it is over your head, aiming basically upwards. If you need more bell projection toward the front, then you need to bend over backwards somewhat. For an elegant twist, rotate the horn so that the bell axis is at a 45 degree with vertical. I'm somewhat surprised that Mahler didn't think of this position. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Playbill Article: "Philadelphia Orchestra Names Principal Horn"
Philadelphia Orchestra Names Principal Horn, in Another Milestone for Women By Vivien Schweitzer 27 Apr 2006 Jennifer Montone, 29, has been appointed principal horn of the Philadelphia Orchestra, the orchestra announced. She comes to Philadelphia from the Saint Louis Symphony, which she joined as principal horn in 2003. She was formerly associate principal horn of the Dallas Symphony Orchestra . Born in Fairfax, Virginia, Montone began playing the horn at age 10. She received a bachelor's degree from Juilliard, where she studied with Julie Landsman, a principal horn at the Metropolitan Opera. Montone has performed with the Saint Paul Chamber Orchestra, the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra, the New York Philharmonic, and the New Jersey Symphony Orchestra, with whom she was awarded the position of third horn while still studying at Juilliard. She is a faculty member at the Aspen Music Festival and School. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Montone is the first woman principal horn in one of the major "Big Five" orchestras in nearly six decades. Montone joins principal tuba player Carol Jantsch, another recent appointment to the Philadelphia Orchestra and the only female tuba player in a major American orchestra. Landsman, Montone's teacher, told the paper, "When I joined the Met orchestra 20 years ago, I was the first woman in the brass section. Since that time three of my female students have won [auditions]... and we now have four women in the brass section. So my hat's off to [Philadelphia Orchestra music director] Christoph Eschenbach—go for it. He's not going to be sorry." Speaking about the scarcity of women in brass sections, Montone told the paper, "It probably just has to do with this slow turnover rate with orchestras in general. People successfully hold posts for a very long time." Montone's contract and start date are still being negotiated. --> Steve Marcus http://www.geocities.com/semarcus1/Steve_Marcus.html - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
I disagree. The Scotch-brite (which is an abrasive material) pad will leave fine particles behind, which are abrasive. Then you have to clean the threads of the small abrasive particles that remain, or else they get ground up in the threads. I would never use Scotch-brite on the soft metal the threads are made of, on any of my three horns which are all screw bells. Ideally, you want the threads to have a very small amount of lubricant, in order to slide smoothly over each other as they are very fine. Wax will also attract dirt, and is much harder to remove once it gums up the threads. You can always clean the threads with a spot of kerosene on a clean rag; this will dissolve the grease, and clean the threads so you can then re-apply a small amount of grease to the threads. Selmer makes a synthetic slide grease (it's red) which also works quite well. Think very small amounts. The threads on a screw bell horn are like the slides on your horn. They do require a bit of attention in order to last for the life of the instrument. Best regards, martin bender On 27-Apr-06, at 2:22 PM, Christine Ranson wrote: Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! Where is wax paper avaliable from? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:11:20 -0400 Lubricants will make a mess and attract grit like a magnet. Get an extra fine Scotch-Brite pad at home depot and polish any crud off the threads. You just want to remove what shouldn't be there. With the threads clean, rub them hard with a wad of wax paper. Keep the wad in your case to dress the threads when needed. -Original Message- From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will keep them moving smoothly. Martin Bender On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote: > I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I > bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) > > ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need any > kind of lube or special oil or anything? > > _ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ > options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http:// join.msn.com/toolbar/overview ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Wax paper is available at any grocery store, but if it's an Italian grocery store, they must have to file it under 'A'. -Original Message- From: Christine Ranson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:22:41 + Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! Where is wax paper avaliable from? >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: The Horn List >To: horn@music.memphis.edu >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:11:20 -0400 > >Lubricants will make a mess and attract grit like a magnet. Get an extra >fine Scotch-Brite pad at home depot and polish any crud off the threads. >You just want to remove what shouldn't be there. With the threads clean, >rub them hard with a wad of wax paper. Keep the wad in your case to dress >the threads when needed. > >-Original Message- >From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: The Horn List >Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:45 -0400 >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. > > A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will keep them moving smoothly. >Martin Bender > >On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote: > > > I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I > bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) > > > > ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need any >kind of lube or special oil or anything? > > > > _ > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/> options/horn/embee%40magma.ca > >___ >post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com > > ___ >post: horn@music.memphis.edu >unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
FW: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
"Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! Where is wax paper available from?" ___ Wax paper is available at any grocery store or Wal-Mart etc. It is usually next to the aluminum foil. Most repair people will NOT recommend putting oil or grease on the ring's threads as it will attract dirt & gunk which wears the threads. Graphite used for locks (or a pencil lead) is the choice du jour. The wax idea would serve a similar function as the graphite and indeed one could use a chunk of bakers paraffin too (found in the baking aisle of your grocer). I am not a renowned repair person so if one of them ponies up to the discussion then listen to them. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! Where is wax paper avaliable from? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:11:20 -0400 Lubricants will make a mess and attract grit like a magnet. Get an extra fine Scotch-Brite pad at home depot and polish any crud off the threads. You just want to remove what shouldn't be there. With the threads clean, rub them hard with a wad of wax paper. Keep the wad in your case to dress the threads when needed. -Original Message- From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will keep them moving smoothly. Martin Bender On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote: > I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I > bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) > > ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need any > kind of lube or special oil or anything? > > _ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/> options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Lubricants will make a mess and attract grit like a magnet. Get an extra fine Scotch-Brite pad at home depot and polish any crud off the threads. You just want to remove what shouldn't be there. With the threads clean, rub them hard with a wad of wax paper. Keep the wad in your case to dress the threads when needed. -Original Message- From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will keep them moving smoothly. Martin Bender On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote: > I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I > bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) > > ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need any > kind of lube or special oil or anything? > > _ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/> options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will keep them moving smoothly. Martin Bender On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote: I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need any kind of lube or special oil or anything? _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
The best thing for this is graphite. Just run a soft pencil around the threads a couple of times. Chris Gongos I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need any kind of lube or special oil or anything? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I bought it (the lead pipe was foul!) ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.does the screw bit need any kind of lube or special oil or anything? _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
