Re: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
I did that once, buy a Lawson-threaded rim from Tom at Moosewood. A few years back, but as I dimly recall it didn't cost a whole lot more than his other rims and was done in a reasaonable time frame. Fred - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes hello- someone already beat me to it, but yes indeen the lawson rims do not fit the Giardinelli C8/10. Lawson does make a rim very similar, called the "reverse peak" or B23 model. He offers it four inner-diameter sizes sizes 600, 650 for the s660; 700 and 750 for the s670. I play the 700, which is a bit wider than the Girdinelli, so you might want to start with the 650 or 600. It seems that people who like the reverse-peak style rims live by them and others hate them. I severly hurt myself on the Giardinelli stock rim (that was years ago when i was using way too much pressure thought) and I still can't stand to play that style rim, but that is just me. Also, I would check out Moosewood, the website is http://www.hornmouthpiece.com/, and he might be able to make you a copied rim with the Lawson threads, but that might be expensive and would probably take a long while and a lot of mailing stuff back and forth. I wish you good luck getting the leaking under control. Please let us know how that works out, so we can learn more about the problem, symptoms, and fixes. Best wishes, Dave Meichle Lawrence University Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute
Look up the Tittle Serenade. It's been around a long time. W. Lawson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
hello- someone already beat me to it, but yes indeen the lawson rims do not fit the Giardinelli C8/10. Lawson does make a rim very similar, called the "reverse peak" or B23 model. He offers it four inner-diameter sizes sizes 600, 650 for the s660; 700 and 750 for the s670. I play the 700, which is a bit wider than the Girdinelli, so you might want to start with the 650 or 600. It seems that people who like the reverse-peak style rims live by them and others hate them. I severly hurt myself on the Giardinelli stock rim (that was years ago when i was using way too much pressure thought) and I still can't stand to play that style rim, but that is just me. Also, I would check out Moosewood, the website is http://www.hornmouthpiece.com/, and he might be able to make you a copied rim with the Lawson threads, but that might be expensive and would probably take a long while and a lot of mailing stuff back and forth. I wish you good luck getting the leaking under control. Please let us know how that works out, so we can learn more about the problem, symptoms, and fixes. Best wishes, Dave Meichle Lawrence University Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Mr. Pizka - Following your advice, I checked both the alignment of my rotors and for leaks when I got home. I found that my second rotor depressed and my first rotor open were out of line; I replaced the corks. When I checked for leaks... I heard so many hisses that I could not locate them individually. So I filled the bathtub with water, plugged up my bell, and lowered my horn into the water and blew into my mouthpipe. This is what I found: - My main tuning slide leaks. - There is an heretofore unnoticed pinhole leak next to my first rotor on the F side due to a heretofore unnoticed failing solder joint. - My first and third F slides leak, with the valves not depressed, and even worse with them depressed. - My second Bb slide leaks only when the valve is depressed, but then it leaks horribly (the worst of them all), which is quite probabally the cause of my high register issues. Granted, I do need to grease my slides (I have not done so in about a week), but I don't think that any slides should be leaking a constant stream of bubbles when under water. Since I had my tuning slides expanded two months ago, I am quite suprised to see them leaking this much already. Any ideas about what to do, especially with the first and third F slides leaking when the rotor's are not depressed? I don't strive for a dark sound - I really like a clear, rich sound (like Hermann Baumann's, in my mind). I don't tend to use a lot of brassiness in my sound, but it has been asked of the horns to sound like "the nine hornsmen of the Apocolypse (sp.)" (we have all the parts doubled, and first tripled in this piece) so edge is unavoidable. Thanks for your help, Ben Benjamin Reidhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poudre School District, Ft. Collins, Co. "No opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible." W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Lawson threads will not match up with your Giardinelli rim or other "C copies" you need a Lawson rim or a custom copy that has the thread size Lawson uses. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Mr. Meichle - This is an interesting post - my teacher just got an S660 10XT! I will have to give it a try. I, however, love the Giardinelli rims; any idea which Lawson rim would be the most similar? If there aren't any, any idea about any makers that just sell the C-series rims? Ben On Tue, 9 May 2006 21:53:15 GMT "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hello- > > I have a suggestion about a mouthpice to try, I have no idea if this will > help. I used to play a giardinelli C10 , very similar to your C8, but hated > the stock rim. > I play an 8D by the way. I tried an array of Lawson, Osmun, and Moosewood > mouthpieces, and liked the S670 (exactly the same as S660, but fit for a > slightly larger inner-diameter rim), my only complaint was it was to brassy > -just as you said- so Lawson sent me a S670 10-XT, which is the same idea > with a little more cup volume. To me this is the perfect middle-ground > between the giardinelli C10 and the S660/670. I also was living in NY and > when I moved to the midwest I was honestly shocked at how small most of the > mouthpieces people were playing on are compared to NY. I am still able to > produce a real nice, dark sound, but the slightly smaller mouthpiece has > added a lot of clarity and focus. I also think it is a lot easier to play, > especially in the forte-fortissimo dynamics and high range. I suggest you > contact Lawson again and ask to play one of these, it did take me a few weeks > to get used to it, but I now love it. > > I am sure you know this, but you might still want to make sure that the > problem is not "behind the reed." (as my mother and oboist used to say) I > used to have a lot of trouble getting a good fortissimo sound, and for a > while I blammed the horn, but since I have learned that a good, moving, > relaxed, thick but not stagnant airstream and more relaxed NOT tight > embochure is the key. Try singing very loud, and try going out for a jogging > run before you play, see if that helps. > > Best wishes, > Dave Meichle > Lawrence University > > > > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/breidhea%40psdschools.org Benjamin Reidhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poudre School District, Ft. Collins, Co. "No opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible." W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Music of Eric Ewazen..a comment
I am playing the sonata for my final recital exam in June! I'm really excited, I love it! From: "Matt James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: "The Horn List" Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Music of Eric Ewazen..a comment Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:55:50 -0600 I agree completely. I have had the privelage to perform Eric ewaznes Sonata, trio, and his symphony in brass. These peices are as John said, not for the artistically challenged. Try them out before you beat them up. Tehy are marvelous. MAthew James On 5/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eric Ewazen recently was in-residence at ULM and I was delighted to host part of his residency. In addition to performing his Trio for Piano, Flute and Horn I was delighted to again perform his Sonata for Horn and Piano at ULM and a week later at the 2006 Southeastern Horn Workshop. Additionally, I will be performing the Sonata this summer at the IHS Symposium in Capetown, South Africa. Eric's works are well respected in the professional and academic horn communities. Before sarcastically referring to his music as "trite or vapid" I encourage Chris and others to attempt playing the Sonata, for example, as well as the Trio. They are not pieces for the artistically challenged. This past week while performing in New York City with both the Metropolitan Opera orchestra and the NYC Opera orchestra I was once again reminded how often composers honor our instrument with beautiful passages in ensemble playing as well as in chamber and solo settings. Mr. Ewazen continues that tradition. Sincerely, John David Smith, DMA Assistant Professor of Music ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornboy101%40gmail.com -- Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
hello- I have a suggestion about a mouthpice to try, I have no idea if this will help. I used to play a giardinelli C10 , very similar to your C8, but hated the stock rim. I play an 8D by the way. I tried an array of Lawson, Osmun, and Moosewood mouthpieces, and liked the S670 (exactly the same as S660, but fit for a slightly larger inner-diameter rim), my only complaint was it was to brassy -just as you said- so Lawson sent me a S670 10-XT, which is the same idea with a little more cup volume. To me this is the perfect middle-ground between the giardinelli C10 and the S660/670. I also was living in NY and when I moved to the midwest I was honestly shocked at how small most of the mouthpieces people were playing on are compared to NY. I am still able to produce a real nice, dark sound, but the slightly smaller mouthpiece has added a lot of clarity and focus. I also think it is a lot easier to play, especially in the forte-fortissimo dynamics and high range. I suggest you contact Lawson again and ask to play one of these, it did take me a few weeks to get used to it, but I now love it. I am sure you know this, but you might still want to make sure that the problem is not "behind the reed." (as my mother and oboist used to say) I used to have a lot of trouble getting a good fortissimo sound, and for a while I blammed the horn, but since I have learned that a good, moving, relaxed, thick but not stagnant airstream and more relaxed NOT tight embochure is the key. Try singing very loud, and try going out for a jogging run before you play, see if that helps. Best wishes, Dave Meichle Lawrence University Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Music of Eric Ewazen..a comment
I agree completely. I have had the privelage to perform Eric ewaznes Sonata, trio, and his symphony in brass. These peices are as John said, not for the artistically challenged. Try them out before you beat them up. Tehy are marvelous. MAthew James On 5/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eric Ewazen recently was in-residence at ULM and I was delighted to host part of his residency. In addition to performing his Trio for Piano, Flute and Horn I was delighted to again perform his Sonata for Horn and Piano at ULM and a week later at the 2006 Southeastern Horn Workshop. Additionally, I will be performing the Sonata this summer at the IHS Symposium in Capetown, South Africa. Eric's works are well respected in the professional and academic horn communities. Before sarcastically referring to his music as "trite or vapid" I encourage Chris and others to attempt playing the Sonata, for example, as well as the Trio. They are not pieces for the artistically challenged. This past week while performing in New York City with both the Metropolitan Opera orchestra and the NYC Opera orchestra I was once again reminded how often composers honor our instrument with beautiful passages in ensemble playing as well as in chamber and solo settings. Mr. Ewazen continues that tradition. Sincerely, John David Smith, DMA Assistant Professor of Music ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornboy101%40gmail.com -- Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Music of Eric Ewazen..a comment
Eric Ewazen recently was in-residence at ULM and I was delighted to host part of his residency. In addition to performing his Trio for Piano, Flute and Horn I was delighted to again perform his Sonata for Horn and Piano at ULM and a week later at the 2006 Southeastern Horn Workshop. Additionally, I will be performing the Sonata this summer at the IHS Symposium in Capetown, South Africa. Eric's works are well respected in the professional and academic horn communities. Before sarcastically referring to his music as "trite or vapid" I encourage Chris and others to attempt playing the Sonata, for example, as well as the Trio. They are not pieces for the artistically challenged. This past week while performing in New York City with both the Metropolitan Opera orchestra and the NYC Opera orchestra I was once again reminded how often composers honor our instrument with beautiful passages in ensemble playing as well as in chamber and solo settings. Mr. Ewazen continues that tradition. Sincerely, John David Smith, DMA Assistant Professor of Music ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Works for Horn and Flute - flames
Chris wrote: Hmm, trite and vapid come to my mind before beautiful :) De gustibus et cetera Flame suit on, Chris __ snip [Chris is responding to:] --- Christine > Mr Ewazen's music is so beautiful. > _ > > >From: "Russ... > > > >I'll second Linda's recommendation. This is a challenging but very > >rewarding and accessible work. The Pastorale is simply gorgeous. > >Sound clips and a sample of the score are available at > >http://www.ericewazen.com/newsite/music/balladehorn.html > > > >Linda _ Well, the music can be all of the above. Music can be beautiful and very simple. "Trite and vapid" is an opinion of how one may feel about the music. Music can be "trite and vapid" because the composition is over formulaic or because the musicians' performance is uninspired. The subject compositions seem formulaic to me; indeed, they sound like the stuff that I routinely improvise spontaneously as part of my daily horn practice. Would I publish this kind of stuff and sell it? Probably not. I might play it in church for the service offertory, however. My $0.02, and no degree in music... probably worth $0.01 then. Chris, no flames for you. Maybe a tomato for being mischievous. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Hello - I have recieved a variety of replies to my post, and I have a response/more information for some of the excellent advice given. - One person mentioned buzzing on the moutpiece as a way to center the sound; my teacher has me free buzz, which seems to help, but not do as much mouthpiece buzzing (about a 70:30 ratio of free to mouthpiece). Would switching to a more balanced ratio be advantageous? - I have played my horn next to other horns in the same setting (Stock, new 8D's and Elkhart 8D's, a Patterson Conversion 8D, a Yamaha 667, various Holton's, etc, and I did not notice the problem on the other horns. I have had others play my horn, and none of them noticed the problem; they all, however, play smaller mouthpieces than I do. - In regards to Mr. Pizka's advice that I check for a leak, and that I check my valve alignment, I am sure my horn does not leak, but the valve alignment could be - I played a smaller mouthpiece (a Lawson S660) with my horn for a while, but my teacher and I decided to switch because the sound was way too edgy. I am not sure if there are any mouthpieces that are in between size. Any reccomendations? - I have yet to find a pro player who does not like my horn. Thanks for all your help, Ben Benjamin Reidhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poudre School District, Ft. Collins, Co. "No opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible." W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Problem Fortissimo Notes
On May 9, 2006, at 7:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 12 date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:03:56 -0600 from: Benjamin Reidhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes Hello - As this is my first time posting to the hornlist (though I have been reading for quite some time), I figure I ought to introduce myself. My name is Ben Reidhead, and I am currently a high school junior. I have been playing horn for nearly 6 years now, and I my current horn is an Atkinson A800 detachable bell horn (a yellow brass, nickle-plated, Kruspe wrap horn with a bell size in-between that of a Holton 179 and 177) with a Giardinelli C8 mouthpiece. I love my horn, and how it plays with the C8 mouthpiece except for one issue: any note above written second-line g to one octave above fingered T, T2, or T1 (my horn stands in F) lacks a "core" to the sound when played at a FF or FFF volume and is not nearly as resistant as any other nearby notes; it sounds like a sock has been stuffed in my bell, and feels like the horn gets a lot freer-blowing on those notes. This problem is especially noticable on written 4th space E, 5th line F, and the G at the top of the staff; it is almost impossible for me to get any sort of brassiness or edge to the sound, and the sound is almost hollow. The only way I can get any brassiness is to press quite hard, and having fough the too-much-pressure battle already, I don't want to go back to the dark side!! I have experimented with firmer corners, more air, etc. and none of those seem to really affect my sound on those problem notes. I don't believe that it is an embochure (spelling?) issue, as my private teacher (yes, I have discussed this with him) and a prominent New York hornist (who I managed to get a lesson with while there two weeks ago!) both like my current setup. This has led me to believe it is an equipment issue. If anyone could offer any (relatively cheap) suggestions as to how to fix this issue, that would be great! Thank you in advance, Ben Hey Ben It might be an equipment issue as others have noted and you need to check that out. Have a pro play your horn and see what they can do with it. If it balks for a really good player then you need to investigate further. This is the first thing you need to do and then you should report back to us. If you establish that the horn is working properly, then there are other avenues to address. Please check out the horn first so we don't start a round of endless speculation on your problems. You need to narrow this down. By the way, do you have this same problem on other horns? Sincerely, Wendell Rider For information about my book, "Real World Horn Playing" and the summer seminar, go to my website: www.wendellworld.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Not necessarily a FIX, but I'd try some other mouthpieces. Sounds like you have a medium throat horn but you are using a rather large mpce. Try a copy of a Geyer type or a Farkas MDC, MC, or any of several others. All else being equal a Giardinelli S-14 might be a good starting point. Best I can do long distance as I can't see your lips, your embouchure, or hear what you may be complaining about. Cheer and best wishes, Paul Mansur On Tuesday, May 9, 2006, at 12:03 AM, Benjamin Reidhead wrote: As this is my first time posting to the hornlist (though I have been reading for quite some time), I figure I ought to introduce myself. My name is Ben Reidhead, and I am currently a high school junior. I have been playing horn for nearly 6 years now, and I my current horn is an Atkinson A800 detachable bell horn (a yellow brass, nickle-plated, Kruspe wrap horn with a bell size in-between that of a Holton 179 and 177) with a Giardinelli C8 mouthpiece. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute
Hmm, trite and vapid come to my mind before beautiful :) De gustibus et cetera Flame suit on, Chris --- Christine Ranson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mr Ewazen's music is so beautiful. > > > >From: "Russ Smiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Horn List > >To: "'Linda'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'The Horn List'" > > > >Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute > >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:59:56 -0400 > > > >I'll second Linda's recommendation. This is a challenging but very > >rewarding and accessible work. The Pastorale is simply gorgeous. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >Linda > >Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:49 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List > >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute > > > >Ballade, Pastorale and Dance for flute, horn, and piano by Eric Ewazen. > >Sound clips and a sample of the score are available at > >http://www.ericewazen.com/newsite/music/balladehorn.html > > > >Linda > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: May 8, 2006 7:21 PM > > >To: 'The Horn List' > > >Subject: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute > > > > > >Any list members aware of any works for horn and flute? > > > > > >I am very fortunate to have been invited to a through back event a > >retired > > >flute teacher in the area host a monthly "soiree" at her home once a > >month. > > >The way people found entertainment and friendship before the advent of > > >passive devices such as radio and tv. > > > > > >The retired teacher invites mainly flute players, but others to drop in > >once > > >a month and play for the others. A modest fee covers the cost of the > > >accompanist, supper and wine. We spend a couple of hours listening to > >each > > >other play, then break bread and have great conversation. It is not that > > >far from nirvana. > > > > > >She asked if there were any works for horn and flute. > > > > > > > > >___ > > >post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > >unsubscribe or set options at > >http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lacornista%40mindspring.com > > > > > > > >___ > >post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >unsubscribe or set options at > >http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/arsmiley%40comcast.net > > > >___ > >post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >unsubscribe or set options at > >http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com > > _ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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RE: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute
Mr Ewazen's music is so beautiful. From: "Russ Smiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Horn List To: "'Linda'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'The Horn List'" Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:59:56 -0400 I'll second Linda's recommendation. This is a challenging but very rewarding and accessible work. The Pastorale is simply gorgeous. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute Ballade, Pastorale and Dance for flute, horn, and piano by Eric Ewazen. Sound clips and a sample of the score are available at http://www.ericewazen.com/newsite/music/balladehorn.html Linda -Original Message- >From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: May 8, 2006 7:21 PM >To: 'The Horn List' >Subject: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute > >Any list members aware of any works for horn and flute? > >I am very fortunate to have been invited to a through back event a retired >flute teacher in the area host a monthly "soiree" at her home once a month. >The way people found entertainment and friendship before the advent of >passive devices such as radio and tv. > >The retired teacher invites mainly flute players, but others to drop in once >a month and play for the others. A modest fee covers the cost of the >accompanist, supper and wine. We spend a couple of hours listening to each >other play, then break bread and have great conversation. It is not that >far from nirvana. > >She asked if there were any works for horn and flute. > > >___ >post: horn@music.memphis.edu >unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lacornista%40mindspring.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/arsmiley%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Holton Horns H192 and H479
I'm not too concern about price as much as I am about getting a good quality horn for the band programs. That's why I stuck with the 179. Plus I find that to tune the horn the extra slide is needed. I'm not too keen on the 379 for this reason. But the 192 is interesting fo the geyer system. And my FA thinks it would be interesting to have. Thanks! Rebecca --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 5/9/2006 8:12:38 A.M. Central > Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Has anyone played on or heard any information on > these > horns? > > My FA coordinator has asked me to take a look at > these > horns to see about havin them for the district. > > Allo I know is that the H192 is a Merker matic > Geyer > wrap horn. I may consider it for the HS, but not for > the MS. My district is currently purchasing only > 179 > at my request since most of the MS have single > horns > in band condition, and the HS need a more > consistent > brand and a new stoc of horns. > > Thanks eveyone! > > Rebecca > > > > THe H 479 would be a much better choice for a high > school, but an even > better choice would be the H 378 or H379. Those > horns are made with school bids in > mind are priced accordingly. > Wes > _www.weshatchhorns.com_ > (http://www.weshatchhorns.com) > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rebeccamgonzales%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Hello Ben, first check your horn if it is leak somewhere. Pull out third slide close it with one finger & blow into the horn. You should hear & feel it if there is some leakness. Next, check if the rotors are really aligned to the marks. To check it, descrew the valve cap & notice the markings on the bearing. If there is the lightest misalignement, it can have dramatic effects upon the playing quality. Do it valve by valve. Sometimes these misalignement can be corrected by pushing the bumper a bit more in or out, but be very careful. It could also be the mouthpiece as there are so many mouthpieces on the market, which have a much too small bore. Fortissimo is never centered with these junk pieces. Try a wider bore of about 4,7 mms or 5 mms. Everything can be approved then, but higher range needs a bit of work to come back. Everything needs time. These things are not for sale. Could it be your playing, perhaps pushing far too much air through the mouthpiece instead of initiating the sound by a firm attack & hold it by RELEASING air, not by PUSHING air through ??? Or is your sound concept too fat & dark ??? Think about. Or, are you squeezing your lips too tight together when trying a forte, so the air pressed through will diffuse instead of supporting ? And, well, you need brassiness in the band, the school band, but if you really come to horn playing, you do not need it very often, just sometimes. Is your problem related to too much loud playing, perhaps ? Start playing very cultivated & watch the change. It will be dramatic to the better then. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin Reidhead Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:04 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes Hello - As this is my first time posting to the hornlist (though I have been reading for quite some time), I figure I ought to introduce myself. My name is Ben Reidhead, and I am currently a high school junior. I have been playing horn for nearly 6 years now, and I my current horn is an Atkinson A800 detachable bell horn (a yellow brass, nickle-plated, Kruspe wrap horn with a bell size in-between that of a Holton 179 and 177) with a Giardinelli C8 mouthpiece. I love my horn, and how it plays with the C8 mouthpiece except for one issue: any note above written second-line g to one octave above fingered T, T2, or T1 (my horn stands in F) lacks a "core" to the sound when played at a FF or FFF volume and is not nearly as resistant as any other nearby notes; it sounds like a sock has been stuffed in my bell, and feels like the horn gets a lot freer-blowing on those notes. This problem is especially noticable on written 4th space E, 5th line F, and the G at the top of the staff; it is almost impossible for me to get any sort of brassiness or edge to the sound, and the sound is almost hollow. The only way I can get any brassiness is to press quite hard, and having fough the too-much-pressure battle already, I don't want to go back to the dark side!! I have experimented with firmer corners, more air, etc. and none of those seem to really affect my sound on those problem notes. I don't believe that it is an embochure (spelling?) issue, as my private teacher (yes, I have discussed this with him) and a prominent New York hornist (who I managed to get a lesson with while there two weeks ago!) both like my current setup. This has led me to believe it is an equipment issue. If anyone could offer any (relatively cheap) suggestions as to how to fix this issue, that would be great! Thank you in advance, Ben Benjamin Reidhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poudre School District, Ft. Collins, Co. "No opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible." W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Holton Horns H192 and H479
In a message dated 5/9/2006 8:12:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone played on or heard any information on these horns? My FA coordinator has asked me to take a look at these horns to see about havin them for the district. Allo I know is that the H192 is a Merker matic Geyer wrap horn. I may consider it for the HS, but not for the MS. My district is currently purchasing only 179 at my request since most of the MS have single horns in band condition, and the HS need a more consistent brand and a new stoc of horns. Thanks eveyone! Rebecca THe H 479 would be a much better choice for a high school, but an even better choice would be the H 378 or H379. Those horns are made with school bids in mind are priced accordingly. Wes _www.weshatchhorns.com_ (http://www.weshatchhorns.com) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
If professional hornists are having the same trouble playing your horn as you are, it probably is an equipment issue. You might try fooling around with leadpipes. Although not "cheap", it is probably what you should try before looking for a new horn. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin Reidhead Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:04 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes Hello - As this is my first time posting to the hornlist (though I have been reading for quite some time), I figure I ought to introduce myself. My name is Ben Reidhead, and I am currently a high school junior. I have been playing horn for nearly 6 years now, and I my current horn is an Atkinson A800 detachable bell horn (a yellow brass, nickle-plated, Kruspe wrap horn with a bell size in-between that of a Holton 179 and 177) with a Giardinelli C8 mouthpiece. I love my horn, and how it plays with the C8 mouthpiece except for one issue: any note above written second-line g to one octave above fingered T, T2, or T1 (my horn stands in F) lacks a "core" to the sound when played at a FF or FFF volume and is not nearly as resistant as any other nearby notes; it sounds like a sock has been stuffed in my bell, and feels like the horn gets a lot freer-blowing on those notes. This problem is especially noticable on written 4th space E, 5th line F, and the G at the top of the staff; it is almost impossible for me to get any sort of brassiness or edge to the sound, and the sound is almost hollow. The only way I can get any brassiness is to press quite hard, and having fough the too-much-pressure battle already, I don't want to go back to the dark side!! I have experimented with firmer corners, more air, etc. and none of those seem to really affect my sound on those problem notes. I don't believe that it is an embochure (spelling?) issue, as my private teacher (yes, I have discussed this with him) and a prominent New York hornist (who I managed to get a lesson with while there two weeks ago!) both like my current setup. This has led me to believe it is an equipment issue. If anyone could offer any (relatively cheap) suggestions as to how to fix this issue, that would be great! Thank you in advance, Ben Benjamin Reidhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poudre School District, Ft. Collins, Co. "No opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible." W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Benjamin Reidhead wrote: -snip- > I love my horn, and how it plays with the C8 mouthpiece > except for one issue: any note above written second-line g to > one octave above fingered T, T2, or T1 (my horn stands in F) > lacks a "core" to the sound when played at a FF or FFF volume > and is not nearly as resistant as any other nearby notes; it > sounds like a sock has been stuffed in my bell -snip- > This has led me to believe > it is an equipment issue. If anyone could offer any > (relatively cheap) suggestions as to how to fix this issue, > that would be great! Two choices seem pretty obvious to me, Ben: 1. Take your horn to a competent repair person for a thorough going over. 2. Visit a store or other place where you can play a variety of horns alongside your own and see if the problem can be reproduced on other horns. I think I'd start with the repair person, but if the problem occurs when you play other horns known to be in good working order, then you know it's you and not your horn - and if it doesn't, then you need a repair or new hardware. "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Arthur Conan Doyle, Sr. quotes (Scottish writer, creator of the detective Sherlock Holmes, 1859-1930) Good luck to you. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Holton Horns H192 and H479
Has anyone played on or heard any information on these horns? My FA coordinator has asked me to take a look at these horns to see about havin them for the district. Allo I know is that the H192 is a Merker matic Geyer wrap horn. I may consider it for the HS, but not for the MS. My district is currently purchasing only 179 at my request since most of the MS have single horns in band condition, and the HS need a more consistent brand and a new stoc of horns. Thanks eveyone! Rebecca __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Ben, Why not try some mouthpiece playing as a real equipment test, and possibly a remediating method? Play (on the mouthpiece) to the required fortissimo levels on your best notes--ie., in the tessitura range which gets you the quality of sound you desire. Then try to move the sound--step by step (note by note) into the troublesome range. Concentrate and focus on the sound you are trying to produce, not on the mechanics (pressure, upper/lower, etc.), or how it feels (it doesn't matter how it feels, really, as long as you are not hurting yourself)in getting there. If you can't get there full volume, let your best notes be a model as to sound, and reproduce that sound at a lesser dynamic range, and up it over time. Get an excellent product and build on it. Think of it as a simplification, not complexity, process. Good luck! Shel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melvin Baldwin Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:32 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes Ask Atkinson-he has a website >From: Benjamin Reidhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Horn List >To: The Horn List >Subject: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes >Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:03:56 -0600 > >Hello - > > As this is my first time posting to the hornlist (though I >have been reading for quite some time), I figure I ought to introduce >myself. My name is Ben Reidhead, and I am currently a high school >junior. I have been playing horn for nearly 6 years now, and I my >current horn is an Atkinson A800 detachable bell horn (a yellow brass, >nickle-plated, Kruspe wrap horn with a bell size in-between that of a >Holton 179 and 177) with a Giardinelli C8 mouthpiece. > > I love my horn, and how it plays with the C8 mouthpiece except >for one issue: any note above written second-line g to one octave above >fingered T, T2, or T1 (my horn stands in F) lacks a "core" to the sound >when played at a FF or FFF volume and is not nearly as resistant as >any other nearby notes; it sounds like a sock has been stuffed in my >bell, and feels like the horn gets a lot freer-blowing on those notes. >This problem is especially noticable on written 4th space E, 5th line >F, and the G at the top of the staff; it is almost impossible for me to >get any sort of brassiness or edge to the sound, and the sound is >almost hollow. The only way I can get any brassiness is to press quite >hard, and having fough the too-much-pressure battle already, I don't >want to go back to the dark side!! > > I have experimented with firmer corners, more air, etc. and >none of those seem to really affect my sound on those problem notes. I >don't believe that it is an embochure (spelling?) issue, as my private >teacher (yes, I have discussed this with him) and a prominent New York >hornist (who I managed to get a lesson with while there two weeks ago!) >both like my current setup. This has led me to believe it is an >equipment issue. If anyone could offer any (relatively cheap) >suggestions as to how to fix this issue, that would be great! > >Thank you in advance, > >Ben > > >Benjamin Reidhead >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Poudre School District, Ft. Collins, Co. > >"No opera plot can be sensible, >for people do not sing when >they are feeling sensible." > >W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) > > > > > > > > >___ >post: horn@music.memphis.edu >unsubscribe or set options at >http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/melvinbaldwin%40hotmail. com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/skirshner%40ameritech.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes
Ask Atkinson-he has a website From: Benjamin Reidhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Problem fortissimo notes Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:03:56 -0600 Hello - As this is my first time posting to the hornlist (though I have been reading for quite some time), I figure I ought to introduce myself. My name is Ben Reidhead, and I am currently a high school junior. I have been playing horn for nearly 6 years now, and I my current horn is an Atkinson A800 detachable bell horn (a yellow brass, nickle-plated, Kruspe wrap horn with a bell size in-between that of a Holton 179 and 177) with a Giardinelli C8 mouthpiece. I love my horn, and how it plays with the C8 mouthpiece except for one issue: any note above written second-line g to one octave above fingered T, T2, or T1 (my horn stands in F) lacks a "core" to the sound when played at a FF or FFF volume and is not nearly as resistant as any other nearby notes; it sounds like a sock has been stuffed in my bell, and feels like the horn gets a lot freer-blowing on those notes. This problem is especially noticable on written 4th space E, 5th line F, and the G at the top of the staff; it is almost impossible for me to get any sort of brassiness or edge to the sound, and the sound is almost hollow. The only way I can get any brassiness is to press quite hard, and having fough the too-much-pressure battle already, I don't want to go back to the dark side!! I have experimented with firmer corners, more air, etc. and none of those seem to really affect my sound on those problem notes. I don't believe that it is an embochure (spelling?) issue, as my private teacher (yes, I have discussed this with him) and a prominent New York hornist (who I managed to get a lesson with while there two weeks ago!) both like my current setup. This has led me to believe it is an equipment issue. If anyone could offer any (relatively cheap) suggestions as to how to fix this issue, that would be great! Thank you in advance, Ben Benjamin Reidhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poudre School District, Ft. Collins, Co. "No opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible." W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/melvinbaldwin%40hotmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute
T From: "Bill Gross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Horn List To: "'The Horn List'" Subject: [Hornlist] Works for Horn and Flute Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:21:50 -0500 Any list members aware of any works for horn and flute? Telemann wrote a "Concerto a tre" for flute , horn and continuo(I used harpsichord and bassoon) Muller wrote a "Serenade" and the flute part looks very challenging. Then there's Charles Koechlin who composed 2 "Nocturnes"-I have a CD of them but not the score. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/melvinbaldwin%40hotmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
