RE: [Hornlist] Outlaw This (was The preferred tone/sound these days?)
Words to live by, 8D's are outlawed, only outlaws will have 8D's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:52 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Outlaw This (was The preferred tone/sound these days?) Repp Ripped and Rapped: In fact, my understanding is that 8Ds are banned in some orchestras. Now, it is the mostestest of understoods by me, many, many, many times, that in certain parts of our vast US of A, that some people are always having some half vast ideas, conceptuals, impressions, perceptions, pictures, thoughts, thinkings, insights, interpretations, interpolations, mental pictures, observations, variations, peramifications, and apperceptions and so that in the states of St. Frank and Taxachusetts and Empires and community service for child molesters that Conn 8D's are outlawed but little wimpy brown horns with the thumb valve next to the pinky finger and not the thumb, where it has it's true belongings, which makes no freakin' sense at all, IMHO,are revelated in, on, beside, over, under, etc., but please have the rememberings that when 8D's are outlawed, only outlaws will have 8D's. Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Repercussionings, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers (summer only) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte World's Leading Hand Horn Soloist Who Brought the Instrument into the 20th Century (buy my CD of the Hindemith Sonata, Gliere Concerto, and the Davies Sea Eagle on the F crook) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ (Ret.) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn, Pest Control and Home Petroleum Studies, Northern New Hampshire Technical Institute, Bad Corner, NH Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? and The DaVinci Clam: Was Kopprasch Possibly God's Other Son? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Owner-Operator, Bad Corner Petroleum Laboratory, The Worlds Largest Valve Oil Factory Founder and Disseminator of CLAMSAA, the Universal Holiday for Horn Players Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Amborg, Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes Web Site: sort of E-mail: yes Kopprasch No. 1: fair and balanced. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th.
Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th. (I too, not too long ago, played A1 on the 9th. - it was a gas!) Ed Lisk writes of a 5 tiered level to get to where you want to be emotionally to perform. Roughly the first 3 levels are acquisition of the mechanics and architecture of the music and recognition of patterns, keys, etc. Most of us can read well enough that we can skip right to level 4 - competent playing of the music. Level 5 is more or less that hyptontic trance we get in when we lose all sense of time and place and its just us and the music in it's purest sense - the fun place! Somewhere I read that this place in the brain is abutted right up against the sex part of the brain (which may explain a lot!)I've gotten some books of self-hypnosis, and can often just in the 30 seconds or so before the downbeat I just say to myself here we go! and slip into that trance and just play. And then there is Oberon. I find myself losing the trance before a particularly difficult (mental) spot. I have to work on that. Oh well. That's the beqauty of what we do. We never really master itthough it seems some of us manage to do so...but I have a feeling that's from the outside looking in. The book is for School Band and Orchestra Directors. It's called The Creatine Director, and its published by MENC, I believe. bh in MT - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] eBay: Horn Mouth pipes Brass Instrument Uncut 11/32(item 220106548410 end time May-05-07 10:54:22 PDT)
Hans, Thank you for your kind answer. I look at these pipes and they don't look anything at all like something that would go on a horn. To me they look like they are unfinished. Could you supply a little more detail? Do they go on tuning crooks? Do you use both? They are a total mystery to me. Regards, Leonard Brown - Original Message - From: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Leonard Peggy Brown' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] eBay: Horn Mouth pipes Brass Instrument Uncut 11/32(item 220106548410 end time May-05-07 10:54:22 PDT) A very old invention to get more effect from your horn, but dont try it for Mozart but for Justaf Malheur perhaps === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard Peggy Brown Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:08 PM To: horn list memphis Subject: [Hornlist] eBay: Horn Mouth pipes Brass Instrument Uncut 11/32(item 220106548410 end time May-05-07 10:54:22 PDT) Really... what are these anyway... look like they belong on a motorcycle. LLB http://cgi.ebay.com/Horn-Mouth-pipes-Brass-Instrument-Uncut- 11-32_W0QQitemZ220106548410QQihZ012QQcategoryZ16215QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days?
Replying to 2 at once here: Hans, castrated alto-trombone...I know what you mean big guy! When tone is such that the horn is no longer distinguishable from other instruments, it has officially lost it's timbre. It is no longer a horn. Tongue-Tied-n-Twisted-Texas-Outlaw: Reckon I better git my shackles ready straight up...I play an 8D. However, Geyer-wraps have their benefits, and some are even reputed to put an 8D to shame in terms of instrument quality and playability. -- message: 7 date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:13:37 +0200 from: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days? Hello Jeffrey, I agree with you, but I would even go further. Too many players today produce just an acoustical event, but no tone, no special tone, no personal tone, not a beautiful tone, just a colorless more or less intonated dynamically controlled NOISE, nobody would care about. What is a good horn tone ? A good horn tone is like a good average male human voice, a human higher baritonal voice. Imagine that, try to transfer this excperience to your horn playing try to arrive with a similar result, no matter what horn (brand, bore, metal, technical type, mouthpiece, etc.) you use. Sing the horn or make it sing, but accept that there are millions of mini-variations possible. Stop playing the horn, if it sounds like a car-horn (sorry, this is not uncommon !) or a castrated alto-trombone. Be realistic fair in your self-judgement. To achieve this goal, experiment in a multitude of ways: angle between leadpipe axis front teeth axis, right hand function, mouth cavity, passive air support, impetus by the tongue, color imagination, MORE F-SIDE because of overtones, - equipment comes last: medium bore (average), larger bore mouthpiece, medium thick bell (average), etc. - and two things never cease: listening practising (not mechanically boring, but using the brain oeconomically and allways but not everything also tone studies tone studies again !) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carter, Jeffrey Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:57 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days? I think that as long as the tone does not take away from the musical message that there should 'ideally' be no preferred tone. Above all, I think that flexibility of tone color is probably much more important than devotion to any one color (ie. cleveland sound, ny sound, london sound etc). Jeff Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 4/27/2007 4:48 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days? Nobody cares about tone these days. The only thing that matters is to not miss notes. Actually, that's not such a bad thing in itself, I think it was Phil Farkas who said after you miss a certain number of notes, it ceases to be espressivo. I do know of more than one top US orchestra which hired a player whose tone they didn't like, but that person played very accurately. Many of the preferred horns these days don't produce a very beautiful sound. - Steve Mumford ___ -- message: 8 date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:52:06 EDT from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Outlaw This (was The preferred tone/sound these days?) Repp Ripped and Rapped: In fact, my understanding is that 8Ds are banned in some orchestras. Now, it is the mostestest of understoods by me, many, many, many times, that in certain parts of our vast US of A, that some people are always having some half vast ideas, conceptuals, impressions, perceptions, pictures, thoughts, thinkings, insights, interpretations, interpolations, mental pictures, observations, variations, peramifications, and apperceptions and so that in the states of St. Frank and Taxachusetts and Empires and community service for child molesters that Conn 8D's are outlawed but little wimpy brown horns with the thumb valve next to the pinky finger and not the thumb, where it has it's true belongings, which makes no freakin' sense at all, IMHO,are revelated in, on, beside, over, under, etc., but please have the rememberings that when 8D's are outlawed, only outlaws will have 8D's. Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Repercussionings, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps,
[Hornlist] RE; The preferred horn Tone/Sound these days?
Ouch, some really painful comments to read about horn tone and instruments. Steve Mumford was correct about the players who do not care about horn tone. All that is important to many players lately is getting the notes and being right about trying to speak the language (notes and symbols on the page). What these players are missing is musicianship and understanding the fact that they are not musicians; they are just players with a twisted and corrupt ego based agenda towards TRYING to making musical sounds on the horn. On to horn tone. I will agree on that the most extreme spectrum of horn tone, a overly dark and spread horn tone (too wide overtones, no control) or overly bright and thin tone is almost impossible to blend with. Most amateurs trying to get a dark sound tend to go too far with that. It is a common mistake to take either extreme in the quest to match a sound that a player wants to identify with. Myself from San Francisco, I learned both styles (Glen Swarts, Dave Kriebel, Bob Ward). While in New York I was told I had the darkest sound they had heard, in another gig in NY I was told I had a more European sound. I wonder why? Because I learned from my great teachers how to project, blend, and dominate with my personal actual horn tone, not just any horn tone, or THE horn tone. My own sound has evolved over the years. I play off leg much more, and I strive for a more pure, focused sound that is not so self-centered. I always projected well with a dark sound and up close or at the bell I sounded brighter to other 8D style players. But in live recordings and in the hall I know my recordings over the years sound great. In the studio, I have to work harder to get that studio sound. Same thing for Pit work, the sound has to be slower out of the bell. Easy to say tough to do. The only reason the American horn sound is growing rare is the fact that most people do not have the talent to play that way. Sad but true. I would love to know what orchestras Ban the 8D. I know even orchestras like San Francisco have had people pass through rounds playing 8Ds. I guess they sound like horn. Bob Ward was a great 8D player. He still sounds great! The guy who just won New York Philharmonic job plays a Berg. I guess the best player that day won. I respect orchestras who hire the best player regardless of instrument mark. Now if we could get the ethics right in orchestras, we can continue to move forward with good musicianship. Matthew Scheffelman horn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th.
Valium or Xanax may be helpful. If you're into natural stuff, try Kava (I often find Bee's orchestral stuff annoying.) Valerie, retired RN___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th.
You might have signed that, 'Valerie, missing the point entirely'... - Original Message From: Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn1 list horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:36:29 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th. Valium or Xanax may be helpful. If you're into natural stuff, try Kava (I often find Bee's orchestral stuff annoying.) Valerie, retired RN___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th.
Damn...you beat me to it. Gary --- Fred Baucom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might have signed that, 'Valerie, missing the point entirely'... - Original Message From: Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn1 list horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:36:29 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th. Valium or Xanax may be helpful. If you're into natural stuff, try Kava (I often find Bee's orchestral stuff annoying.) Valerie, retired RN___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/beowulf_36%40yahoo.com Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th.
No, I didn't. You did! ;o) Val ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Getting Ready Emotionally for Beeth 9th.
G, it takes a superior mind lightening quick reflexes to keep up with the brilliant minds participating in this discussion. Try ginko. :o Val, boasting an I.Q. of 75 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days?
This entire discussion is getting pretty boring. The goal of any artist musician is to convey emotional images in sound. To convey a message to the listener. To effectively accomplish this one has to know much about the musical intentions of the composer and then do their best to bring these intentions to life in an effective way. This requires that the performer use all aspects of the sound--dynamics, weight, intensity and color in a flexible and imaginative way. In other words, the performer needs to be flexible enough to be able to change their sound to create an effective rendering of what is being performed. And so must the instrument be sonically flexible enough to aid the performer in accomplishing this. Would you enjoy looking at an artists paintings who only used one color of paint? Artist performers choose instruments that help enable them to be flexible and fulfill these goals, not just because the instrument has a certain built in sound. The concept that artists choose a horn because it has a certain sound, and that the brand is more important than the creativity and imagination of the performer, is patently sophomoric and totally misses the point of musical interpretation and performance. Paul Navarro Custom Horn Lyric Opera of Chicago (ret.) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
