[Hornlist] Re: Spit valve problem: Ideas?...???????????????
So far, eight detailed and thoughtful responses to a mundane and trivial problem (Hans, you are so right!). Wish we could get this kind of response on the more interesting and thought provocative issues. Some months back I posted to request comments on the horn response differences of thin verses thick (metal) bells, and no one chose to comment. Are spit valves really more interesting than a discussion on the playing characteristics of a horn as a function of bell metal thickness? Sorry for being sardonic. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Spit valve problem: Ideas?
What did we do in times when there was not spit valve on the horn ? ??? There was no hole in the relevant tube. Consequently we should close this hole under the spit valve by whatever is on hand (tape, rubber, paper, etc.) & continue playing. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valerie WELLS Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:55 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Spit valve problem: Ideas? Double stick foam mounting tape that's about 1/32 " thick might work as a temporary quick fix. You could cut circles of this material & add layer by layer until it's the right thickness in the little cup that used to hold the cork plug. Then you could put a cut a small circle of plastic wrap or bread bag plastic to put on the exposed sticky side of the mounting tape. I believe this may even serve as a functional spit valve for a short while until the horn is brought to the shop for a permanent fix. Valerie Wells, Balanced Embouchure Student ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Double stick foam mounting tape that's about 1/32 " thick might work as a temporary quick fix. You could cut circles of this material & add layer by layer until it's the right thickness in the little cup that used to hold the cork plug. Then you could put a cut a small circle of plastic wrap or bread bag plastic to put on the exposed sticky side of the mounting tape. I believe this may even serve as a functional spit valve for a short while until the horn is brought to the shop for a permanent fix. Valerie Wells, Balanced Embouchure Student ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Bunch, Another option for cushion material is to go to the local hardware store and look for an O-ring made with material with a diameter that matches the size of the cushion that you need. Then all you need to do is cut out a section of the ring and glue it place. No cutting a flat sheet in to a small circle of the correct diameter with this approach. Plus, one O-ring should provide a lifetime supply of repair material. I like the silicone rubber cement idea, too, except that you want to remember that silicone cements release acetic acid as they cure, so you might be a little leery of doing a localized acid treatment on your horn. Maybe something like GOOP, or another similar toluene- based cement, would be a better choice. Then again, since there are actual repair kits available, that's the easy choice, barring the electrician's tape/saran wrap/chewing gum short-term fix. Finally, remember Duct Tape, which is of course the major force holding the universe together! ;-) (With apologies to non-US readers who perhaps don't know of this miracle substance, or know it by another name.) Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: works for horn and wind ensemble
Well, that's because they were a bunch of peasants. Herb Foster, who has a dictionary in every room --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > David Maslanka wrote a concerto for 2 horns and hind ensemble. > > When I first joined a hind ensemble they made me start with "Doe, a deer, > a female deer." > > ---Steve Tarter--- > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com > Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
If this is a middle school horn, it's more likely the cork was long
gone. All that's needed is a fresh piece of black electricians tape to
replace the old one that just fell off because the kid kept fooling
with it.
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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Question, are not all these tasks so simple to solve, that
they dont need any further explanation ? How deep should we
sink in all this Internet-Googelitis, that we need help for
all & everything Next we have to explain what a glue
means, what digits to use when holding a piece of a pencil,
to mark a wrong note. Have we become so insecure about basic
things in life ? Are we so much depending on repair persons
? For most simple things ?
I have not studied the trade, but if something is wrong with
e.g. an instrument, I have a close look & try to understand
the mechanics. In the example of a spitvalve, there is a
holding mechanism (plate) equipped with a cushion (soft)
like small piece to close a hole in a tube. This mechanism
is held on place by a spring. So if the small soft cushion
is lost, the hole cannot be closed properly. There is no
replacement in reach. Just taking a soft small disk (easily
self made of any flat, firm but also soft material like
cork, rubber, plastic or whatever, no other tools to involve
than a sharp knife or scissor or razor) & attaching it to
the closing mechanism will help for longer than a moment. If
no glue (plastic glue, instant glue or similar) is in reach,
keep the mechanism blocked by a rubber band, tape,
insulation tape - all be found in a household, or does the
modern household just consist of four walls & a roof, a bed,
a microwave oven, garbage can (if at all) & the Sears
catalogue ??? In the worst case, if nothing properly be
found, take a small piece of toilet paper, warp it
several-fold & place it between mechanism & spit hole,
blocking the whole arm.
We all have a built-in PC, named brain, - but we should use
it. Things are not THAT complicated. Most things are very
simple. Most problems can be solved in a very simple manner
with a minimum of effort.
But too many are victims of our buy & throw away society or
anti-culture.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:25 AM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
A slight problem is cutting a nice circle of whatever
flexible material you decide to use; but it doesn't really
need to be nice, just functional.
A related approach to what has already been suggested would
be to use some silicone glue - aquarium sealer is one
incarnation - as the pad.
Lay a thick blob into the space that used to be occupied by
the original pad. After it dries, you can slice a straight
surface with a sharp blade so that it seals the hole
perfectly, but it might be more efficient to let the blob
half-dry while keeping the valve open, and then let the
valve close sufficiently so that the blob gets squeezed
enough for it to conform to the correct shape. I never
tried this, but it seems simple and can't-miss.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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[Hornlist] Atlantic Brass Quintet workshop
Forwarded by a friend of mine, Brian Wilson. If you've got the time, it would be a great opportunity. Bo -- The Atlantic Brass Quintet is coming to Sonoma State University to do a workshop for 4 days June - June 10th to 14th. While we have participants coming from all over the world, Japan, Boston, etc., we are still actively recruiting players, especially tuba but also horn and trombone. (Trumpets are full) 5 quintets will be formed. Tuition is $400. If you're interested, please contact Dr. Brian S. Wilson in the music department immediately. Dr. Brian S. Wilson Chair, Department of Music Sonoma State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.brianswilson.com 707-664-2468 The age limit can be waived for serious players. The brochure is a pdf on their website: http://www.atlanticbrassquintet.com Thank you. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: works for horn and wind ensemble
>David Maslanka wrote a concerto for 2 horns and hind ensemble. Sounds like a song of the nether throat. Steve Ovitsky ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Update: Modern works for Natural horn
I was honored to receive a recording from Lowell of his "Live at Yale" compact disc. The work is scored for Trompes de Chasse, Organ and Tenor, and is entitled Requiem du Chasseur. He wrote it in memory of Helen Kotas Hirsch. I too I was honored to receive that CD, and alllowed to put two movements of the work on the website http://www.corno.it/ . Go to the MP3 section. Daniel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
If you want to handle this situation in the future, contact any repair shop and buy a small maintenance kit for brass. I suggest the trumpet kit by Micro. It will include water key corks and springs, among other things. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:24 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas? Howdy, fellow hornlisters. I have a situation involving one of my horn students. The padding to the spit valve on her Holton 179 fell off. She was going to give me the padding to put back on when she also realized it went missing. (Middle school student, so everything goes missing.) What I need is a temporary fix. Her solo and ensemble contest is this coming Saturday and her instrument won't be sent to the shop until next Tuesday at the earliest. Since she also comes from an inner-city school (meaning low on funds), her band teacher doesn't have the materials for me to fix this properly. Any ideas on what could be used to seal it temporarily until it's properly fixed? I would hate to have her to use piece of paper to cover the opening until it gets to the shop. Also, where would I be able to obtain the materials so I could be better prepared to handle such a case myself? Thanks for the replies. Angela Gonzales __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] arrangements - more
from: Larry Jellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] RE: musical idiot & disgusting arranger. This tops them all-- the concert band version of "The Marriage of Figaro Overture". When the saxophones join in by tackling the cello parts, you know the music world has reached a new low. Not even the clarinets on the violin parts can prepare you for this. If this is the Slocum arrangement, there are options. I've used this one many times with great satisfactionwith groups of around 35 - any more is too much IMHO. 1. The sax parts, when melodic, are ALWAYS doubled, so have the kiddies tacet. 2. Teach your sax players to be unobtrusive and to blend into the bassoons and 3rd Clarinets at these spots. (Preferred!) 3. And lastly, burn the Snare and Bass Drum parts before you hand out the other parts. A good conductor can adjust balances so only uberpurists would be offended. Again, there is plenty of rationale for playing transcriptionsthe primary being that orchestras are only in 10% of US public schools - as opposed to around 90% for Bands. (and of those 10% - mostly are string - only groups) If the kids aren't exposed to the classics through band - they may only get a diet of Holsinger et al and pop & movie music. With the exception of Military Bands. band is almost exclusively a scholastic endeavor. And these folks, only exposed to contemporary music, when they grow up and get a job will probably never buy a ticket to an Orchestra subscription series. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] more on arrangements
Just got this from another list. Check out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAfZCrlEDAc Now that's an arrangement! Eric James __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] water key repair
Hey, When that happened to me I just warped a piece of plastic electric tape around the hole. The plastic stretches so it seals completely. Actually I keep a small roll in my case in case a leak appears. It has been used a couple of times by other horn pickers. Milton ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Question, are not all these tasks so simple to solve, that
they dont need any further explanation ? How deep should we
sink in all this Internet-Googelitis, that we need help for
all & everything Next we have to explain what a glue
means, what digits to use when holding a piece of a pencil,
to mark a wrong note. Have we become so insecure about basic
things in life ? Are we so much depending on repair persons
? For most simple things ?
I have not studied the trade, but if something is wrong with
e.g. an instrument, I have a close look & try to understand
the mechanics. In the example of a spitvalve, there is a
holding mechanism (plate) equipped with a cushion (soft)
like small piece to close a hole in a tube. This mechanism
is held on place by a spring. So if the small soft cushion
is lost, the hole cannot be closed properly. There is no
replacement in reach. Just taking a soft small disk (easily
self made of any flat, firm but also soft material like
cork, rubber, plastic or whatever, no other tools to involve
than a sharp knife or scissor or razor) & attaching it to
the closing mechanism will help for longer than a moment. If
no glue (plastic glue, instant glue or similar) is in reach,
keep the mechanism blocked by a rubber band, tape,
insulation tape - all be found in a household, or does the
modern household just consist of four walls & a roof, a bed,
a microwave oven, garbage can (if at all) & the Sears
catalogue ??? In the worst case, if nothing properly be
found, take a small piece of toilet paper, warp it
several-fold & place it between mechanism & spit hole,
blocking the whole arm.
We all have a built-in PC, named brain, - but we should use
it. Things are not THAT complicated. Most things are very
simple. Most problems can be solved in a very simple manner
with a minimum of effort.
But too many are victims of our buy & throw away society or
anti-culture.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Goldberg
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:25 AM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
A slight problem is cutting a nice circle of whatever
flexible material you decide to use; but it doesn't really
need to be nice, just functional.
A related approach to what has already been suggested would
be to use some silicone glue - aquarium sealer is one
incarnation - as the pad.
Lay a thick blob into the space that used to be occupied by
the original pad. After it dries, you can slice a straight
surface with a sharp blade so that it seals the hole
perfectly, but it might be more efficient to let the blob
half-dry while keeping the valve open, and then let the
valve close sufficiently so that the blob gets squeezed
enough for it to conform to the correct shape. I never
tried this, but it seems simple and can't-miss.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 53, Issue 11
> No question that Mahler and Strauss and others were cribbed > by Hollywood composers - think of the original Star Trek > theme (straight out of the first movement of Mahler's 7th), There's a short passage in the first movement of Mahler 6 (just after rehearsal mark 33) that sounds like the inspiration for every bit of movie music ever written by John Williams. And I thought that the first few bars of the last movement of Mahler 6 (celeste, harp, strings) could have been used absolutely unmodified to accompany the first sight of Hogwarts School :-) Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 53, Issue 11
This is what we say here about Mahler. Greeting all involved composers by taking off yor hat or lifting your hat, while listening to Mahler, means leaving your head uncovered by your hat. But he did not do it intentionally ... Too much opera conducting === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PatentDan Feigelson Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:02 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 53, Issue 11 No question that Mahler and Strauss and others were cribbed by Hollywood composers - think of the original Star Trek theme (straight out of the first movement of Mahler's 7th), the theme from the Superman movie (Death and Transfiguration), and the theme from the movie The Right Stuff (which sounds suspiciously like the Tschaikovsky Violin Concerto). Not to mention using the overture from Marriage of Figaro in the movie Trading Places without crediting Mozart. But as to people copying Korngold, as a movie composer I wonder if he himself didn't copy from others - I've got a disk of some of his movie music (Captain Blood, The Sea Hawk etc.) and some of the stuff sounds to me alot like certain passages from Wagner... DJF -- date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:37:11 +0200 from: "hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: RE: [Hornlist] music ghost writers G.Mahler, R.Strauss, Korngold ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of harveycor Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:57 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] music ghost writers idiocy and lousy arrangers aside, Is there someone who is willing to concur without using names that some famous movie score composers 'owe' their fame to ghost writers? or is this a question that should not be asked in public? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: works for horn and wind ensemble
> David Maslanka wrote a concerto for 2 horns and hind ensemble. When I first joined a hind ensemble they made me start with "Doe, a deer, a female deer." ---Steve Tarter--- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 53, Issue 11
No question that Mahler and Strauss and others were cribbed by Hollywood composers - think of the original Star Trek theme (straight out of the first movement of Mahler's 7th), the theme from the Superman movie (Death and Transfiguration), and the theme from the movie The Right Stuff (which sounds suspiciously like the Tschaikovsky Violin Concerto). Not to mention using the overture from Marriage of Figaro in the movie Trading Places without crediting Mozart. But as to people copying Korngold, as a movie composer I wonder if he himself didn't copy from others - I've got a disk of some of his movie music (Captain Blood, The Sea Hawk etc.) and some of the stuff sounds to me alot like certain passages from Wagner... DJF -- date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:37:11 +0200 from: "hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: RE: [Hornlist] music ghost writers G.Mahler, R.Strauss, Korngold ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of harveycor Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:57 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] music ghost writers idiocy and lousy arrangers aside, Is there someone who is willing to concur without using names that some famous movie score composers 'owe' their fame to ghost writers? or is this a question that should not be asked in public? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
