Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 58, Issue 25 Following the quote
I never said I disliked the quote Mr. Rider, I simply have never heard that opinion expressed before - although I have heard it said that horn players are related to the Devil [think usage of the word spawn]. I heard the information about the German translation on some radio/musicological discussion, perhaps either Adventures in Good Music or The Record Shelf, but it was several years ago. Paxmaha Wendell Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from: David Jewell subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 58, Issue 23 First a Question, then an opinion. The question is: Where did the idea in the following recent quote come from? Besides, the horn is the instrument of the devil and we don't want that in a sacred work, do we? Steve Burian Now the opinion: There is also the fact that there are extra-musical conventions at work here. In Martin Luther's German translation of the Bible, the last trump is actually translated as last trombone so that when one would normally think of using the trumpet for that symbolism, most German language speakers would automatically associate the trombone instead. So that we have the trombones being used for the symbological value to illustrate the text as much as simply for the sonority desired. Paxmaha Wendell Rider wrote: Hi,I think many good answers and thoughts have been expressed and the above is one of them. ...Other sacred works, written earlier, have horn parts along with the trombones, but the trombones almost always have much more substantial roles. Wendell Rider For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing, the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com Hi, Answer: I thought it up all by myself. I don't know why others use it. Actually I used to use an email program in the ancient times that only did it that way and I grew to like, even love it. Sorry if you don't like it. I have the same problem with looking at answers and then seeing what they were talking about down the page. I can see pros and cons for both sides. Maybe I will compromise and do it only half the time. ; ) As far as your opinion goes, I find it very interesting. I almost flunked German in high school. Sincerely, Wendell Rider For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing, the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] horn player in old movie
Hi hornlisters, Recently I was talking to my Dad, who said he saw an old movie: Springtime in the Rockies which featured the Harry James Band. In it was a horn player, and we were both curious to know who it was. I didn't see the film, but it was notable to Dad because a violinist playing with James' band in the film was briefly in the same Company with Dad in WW2. Any clues out there? All the best to you, worldwide... B Bob Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony http://www.rnward.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:horn player in old movie
.My guess id John Graas. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: The horn is a Devil of an instrument
On Oct 26, 2007, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 7 date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:51:31 -0700 (PDT) from: David Jewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 58, Issue 25 Following the quote I think this thread makes it perfectly clear that the horn is an instrument of the Devil. Obviously this thread has been hijacked by some force or other. NOt only that but my spell checker has stopped working! I never said I disliked the quote Mr. Rider, I simply have never heard that opinion expressed before - although I have heard it said that horn players are related to the Devil [think usage of the word spawn]. I heard the information about the German translation on some radio/musicological discussion, perhaps either Adventures in Good Music or The Record Shelf, but it was several years ago. Paxmaha Interesting! But who is this Paxmaha person or entity anyway? What does it mean? Paxmaha? I don't know. Is it Latin? It just sounds kind of creepy and perhaps of the Devil! I never liked that word spawn either. Wendell Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from: David Jewell subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 58, Issue 23 First a Question, then an opinion. The question is: Where did the idea in the following recent quote come from? Besides, the horn is the instrument of the devil and we don't want that in a sacred work, do we? Steve Burian Maybe Steve is the devil? I'm not the Devil. Of course if I was the Devil I would surely try to deceive all of you. Steve, did you make all this up just to incite this chaos? I'm feeling dizzy now. Now the opinion: There is also the fact that there are extra-musical conventions at work here. In Martin Luther's German translation of the Bible, the last trump is actually translated as last trombone so that when one would normally think of using the trumpet for that symbolism, most German language speakers would automatically associate the trombone instead. So that we have the trombones being used for the symbological value to illustrate the text as much as simply for the sonority desired. Paxmaha Wendell Rider wrote: Hi,I think many good answers and thoughts have been expressed and the above is one of them. ...Other sacred works, written earlier, have horn parts along with the trombones, but the trombones almost always have much more substantial roles. Wendell Rider For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing, the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com Hi, Answer: I thought it up all by myself. I don't know why others use it. Actually I used to use an email program in the ancient times that only did it that way and I grew to like, even love it. Sorry if you don't like it. I have the same problem with looking at answers and then seeing what they were talking about down the page. I can see pros and cons for both sides. Maybe I will compromise and do it only half the time. ; ) OK, this paragraph was intended for another forum and the Devil must have made me paste it in wrong. I had nothing to do with that quote, honest. It was all Steve's fault. As far as your opinion goes, I find it very interesting. I almost flunked German in high school. Actually I made a deal with the Devil to get an A in German so I could graduate with honors and impress my German speaking girlfriend who loved to read Goethe and played the cello- a known instrument of the Devil.. Sincerely, Wendell Rider For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing, the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com I just realized that I live on Luther Street and my address adds up to 6! Gotta go, Wendell Rider For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing, the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: The horn is a Devil of an instrument
LOL!! I enjoyed your comments... Tom -- Thomas M. Spillman, Jr. Asst. Professor (retired) Information Technology MBA Program School of Management St. Edward's University Austin, TX ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horn player in old movie
I think Dalleyhorn got it. I've seen the movie, many moons ago, (before I was a serious horn player), and have heard before that it was John Graas. Paul Mansur On Oct 26, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Robert Ward wrote: Hi hornlisters, Recently I was talking to my Dad, who said he saw an old movie: Springtime in the Rockies which featured the Harry James Band. In it was a horn player, and we were both curious to know who it was. I didn't see the film, but it was notable to Dad because a violinist playing with James' band in the film was briefly in the same Company with Dad in WW2. Any clues out there? All the best to you, worldwide... B Bob Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony http://www.rnward.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Instrument of the Devil?
Hello list, On the topic of Mozart's sacred music and the use of trombones and trumpets, but not horn, in his Requiem, I made the comment: Besides, the horn is the instrument of the devil and we don't want that in a sacred work, do we?To which David Jewell asks where this idea came from. I have to admit, I don't remember specifically how this seed was planted. It was really meant in jest. A little bad boy humor. Perhaps someone once said it was a devilishly difficult instrument to play. My idea was not so much that the Devil himself plays the horn (I think he is actually a violinist who prefers country music, but maybe he doubles on blues guitar). I sang the Mozart Requiem as a college freshman and references were made in my college years to trumpets and trombones as being instruments named somewhere in the bible. Perhaps I simply inferred this from the absence of horns. Or as a freshman I asked why no horns, since Mozart otherwise liked the horn, and was told this by some well meaning but mis-informed teacher. Sorry I don't have a better answer. When people find out I play the horn and comment on the difficulty, I try to minimize it by saying something like yeah, that's what people tell me or all instruments have their unique challenges. I don't allow myself to think the horn is hard. I think that believing that the closer proximity of our partials can be a strength, not a weakness is an important part of the inner game of horn playing. I also don't like the idea of being handicapped by the audience and allowing people to think that more mistakes from the horns are to be expected or accepted.Stephen Burian *** _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re:horn player in old movie
Good guess, although Graas was 18 in 1942, and according to this: http://www.answers.com/topic/john-graas in the army then... Any other takers? B Bob Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony http://www.rnward.com On Oct 26, 2007, at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .My guess id John Graas. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re:horn player in old movie
Bill Culley, Fred Waldron, and/or Phil Palmer. Avrum 1st ³Kid² student of John Barrows of blessed memory Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D. 547 Asharoken Avenue Asharoken, NY 1768-1121 (631) 754-2259 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/26/07 4:22 PM, Robert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good guess, although Graas was 18 in 1942, and according to this: http://www.answers.com/topic/john-graas in the army then... Any other takers? B Bob Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony http://www.rnward.com On Oct 26, 2007, at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .My guess id John Graas. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/agolub%40optonline.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re:horn player in old movie
I think the horn player in the Harry James band was Willard Culley! John Graas played with the Glenn Miller(Tex Beneke) band in the post war Miller group. Pete Exline ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
