RE: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings
And, Mark, finally my addition: Using F-Horn C-D-E - open B-(natural)- C# - D# - with 2 AND not with 12 (C#) or 23 (D#). It does not matter, what fingering you teach your young band members, if they do not HEAR the right pitch, - if their ear training is inadequate. Pressing down the right key does not mean getting the right pitch. It is not a PC and it is not a piano. It is a wind instrument much depending from a small fraction of human lips & from human ear & from human brain (feeling, acoustical recognition, acoustical advance impression). Without proper ear training, all effort must fail. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Syslo Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:10 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings I am a band director at two elementary schools in PA. The band method book we use teaches 4th-line D as open (no valves). (What band method it is isn't important as it's not the only one with my concern.) I always teach the 4th-line D as 1, as a 3rd-space C will always be open, and it seems to make sense to NOT have two notes in a row with the same fingering. Plus, the 4th-space E will always be open as well. Three notes in a row with the same fingering? We don't have double horns for our students until they move on to the middle school or high school. Using a double horn is certainly better than ANY fingering on the F horn, but that's not possible in our situation. Open or 1 on 4th-line D? Mark J. Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings
In addition to what has already been posted, you can also play the Bb with open fingerings (a slight bit flat) giving you 4 notes in a row open. Though I wouldn't offer that fingering in normal circumstances, many newer students will hit that Bb when trying for the C and think they have the right note. I always insist on the open D on the F horn with my students an exception would be a fingered trill where the first valve is necessary. David Laraway Mark Syslo wrote: I am a band director at two elementary schools in PA. The band method book we use teaches 4th-line D as open (no valves). (What band method it is isn't important as it's not the only one with my concern.) I always teach the 4th-line D as 1, as a 3rd-space C will always be open, and it seems to make sense to NOT have two notes in a row with the same fingering. Plus, the 4th-space E will always be open as well. Three notes in a row with the same fingering? We don't have double horns for our students until they move on to the middle school or high school. Using a double horn is certainly better than ANY fingering on the F horn, but that's not possible in our situation. Open or 1 on 4th-line D? Mark J. Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/david%40dlaraway.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings
It's really pretty simple. The D is better on 0. When using 1 you are playing a tenth harmonic which is flat. The E on 0 is also a tenth harmonic and tends to be flat but is a better in tune note than is the D with 1. It can be brought up with 1-2 on the F horn. This is where practice and spaced repetition is most helpful in learning where the 9 open notes in the top octave are learned so they'll groove in. Think Vienna horn. Paul Mansur On Feb 8, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Mark Syslo wrote: I am a band director at two elementary schools in PA. The band method book we use teaches 4th-line D as open (no valves). (What band method it is isn't important as it's not the only one with my concern.) I always teach the 4th-line D as 1, as a 3rd-space C will always be open, and it seems to make sense to NOT have two notes in a row with the same fingering. Plus, the 4th-space E will always be open as well. Three notes in a row with the same fingering? We don't have double horns for our students until they move on to the middle school or high school. Using a double horn is certainly better than ANY fingering on the F horn, but that's not possible in our situation. Open or 1 on 4th-line D? Mark J. Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings
In addition to what everyone else has said, third-space C, which is concert F, can also be played as 1 on an F horn as it's the 9th partial. It might actually be easier to play C-D as 1-open so that you got a shorter tube for the higher note - I just tried it, though, and it feels weird. Open-open-open gets my vote, too. I also tried the E as open, 1-2, and 3 - open gets my vote there, too. All _that_ said, when I was first learning on a single F horn, I confess that I played C-D as open-1, as you suggest, just because it felt easier to press a valve during the note change. I couldn't tell you why, and I can tell you I don't do it that way any more, but I did it then. Ain't it grand that the fingers just don't matter that much? -S- > -Original Message- > From: Mark Syslo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:10 PM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings > > I am a band director at two elementary schools in PA. The > band method book we use teaches 4th-line D as open (no > valves). (What band method it is isn't important as it's not > the only one with my concern.) I always teach the 4th-line D > as 1, as a 3rd-space C will always be open, and it seems to > make sense to NOT have two notes in a row with the same fingering. > Plus, the 4th-space E will always be open as well. Three > notes in a row with the same fingering? > > We don't have double horns for our students until they move > on to the middle school or high school. Using a double horn > is certainly better than ANY fingering on the F horn, but > that's not possible in our situation. > > Open or 1 on 4th-line D? > > > Mark J. Syslo > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings
-Original Message- From: Mark Syslo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:10 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings I am a band director at two elementary schools in PA. The band method book we use teaches 4th-line D as open (no valves). (What band method it is isn't important as it's not the only one with my concern.) I always teach the 4th-line D as 1, as a 3rd-space C will always be open, and it seems to make sense to NOT have two notes in a row with the same fingering. Plus, the 4th-space E will always be open as well. Three notes in a row with the same fingering? We don't have double horns for our students until they move on to the middle school or high school. Using a double horn is certainly better than ANY fingering on the F horn, but that's not possible in our situation. Open or 1 on 4th-line D? Mark J. Syslo ~~ I agree with the info posted so far - Open, without question. Our instrument is plagued with successive whole tones that are identically fingered, this should be no different. My reasoning is: 1 - why make the horn longer than it needs to be (adding that 1st valve adds a few inches that aren't needed) 2 - whether it's fingered open or 1, the lips still need to produce a 'D' so the fingering really doesn't matter. 3 - I personally find the Open fingering to be a little more in tune (where '1' is generally a tad sharp for me.) 4 - When the students learn to do C-to-D lip trills later in life, they'll likely be using Open on C and Open on D anyway - may as well learn it now. Cheers- Jeremy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 9:13 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings
It doesn't matter if you teach that three notes in a row don't have the same fingering. The reality is that they do, and that putting down the first valve to go from C to D doesn't really help getting the note to come out right any more than not putting the first value down. Actually, since you're lengthening the horn, it makes it less likely the D will come out after playing a C first, but more likely if you're playing an E first. So perhaps if you need to use valves to go from C to D, you should finger the C first valve, unless you just played a Bb, which you could have fingered 23. So much simpler just to play C, D, and E open. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Syslo Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:10 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings I am a band director at two elementary schools in PA. The band method book we use teaches 4th-line D as open (no valves). (What band method it is isn't important as it's not the only one with my concern.) I always teach the 4th-line D as 1, as a 3rd-space C will always be open, and it seems to make sense to NOT have two notes in a row with the same fingering. Plus, the 4th-space E will always be open as well. Three notes in a row with the same fingering? We don't have double horns for our students until they move on to the middle school or high school. Using a double horn is certainly better than ANY fingering on the F horn, but that's not possible in our situation. Open or 1 on 4th-line D? Mark J. Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings
In a message dated 09/02/2008 00:11:46 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Open or 1 on 4th-line D? Open lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] F horn fingerings
I am a band director at two elementary schools in PA. The band method book we use teaches 4th-line D as open (no valves). (What band method it is isn't important as it's not the only one with my concern.) I always teach the 4th-line D as 1, as a 3rd-space C will always be open, and it seems to make sense to NOT have two notes in a row with the same fingering. Plus, the 4th-space E will always be open as well. Three notes in a row with the same fingering? We don't have double horns for our students until they move on to the middle school or high school. Using a double horn is certainly better than ANY fingering on the F horn, but that's not possible in our situation. Open or 1 on 4th-line D? Mark J. Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
In a message dated 08/02/2008 23:16:27 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The "R" Compound tire is much too soft for bumpers. Too bad, I could have made enough for everyone on the list. The bumpers on my horn are too hard for tyres, otherwise I could have made enough forwell, a bit of a tyre I suppose. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
I don't know about tires in the old days. I only started autocrossing two years ago. Had to wait until the boys grew up and moved out. Luke Zyla - Original Message - From: "Steve Haflich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" ; "Luke Zyla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay? From: "Luke Zyla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I think friend Luke mistakenly posted this message to the wrong group. But since Luke will have to scrap at least that one tire, perhaps needy horn players could ask him for small segments of the tire for use as valve cork material. In my day we made our own autocross tires. Come morning I need to check my rubber trees near the aligator swamp... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
The "R" Compound tire is much too soft for bumpers. Too bad, I could have made enough for everyone on the list. CORdially, Luke Zyla - Original Message - From: "LOTP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay? Can the old tire be used to make valve bumpers? - Original Message - From: "Luke Zyla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Horn List" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Is new okay? I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I have been trying to find just one used tire so I can get a few more runs out of these tires with little success. Is it okay to purchase just one new tire to complete this set? Would this cause handling problems? Luke Zyla 99 red "Ranger" 42cs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Is new okay?
Boy do I feel stupid. The amazing thing is that I am getting great advice! Thanks to all of you horn guys that responded to my question about tires. I meant to send it to the Miata List. CORdially, Luke Zyla 1980 Paxman Model 20L - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Is new okay? Hey Luke, You should be fine to replace one with a used one. Plane all four down as necessary so the tread depths match within 1/32nd." If you can't do that, then don't worry about it. Do check the depths after each run. If one goes sooner than the others, replace the whole set with new at that point or make sure your insurance is paid up in full and take one more run. I'm not familiar with Kumho's but I've used ContiPremierContacts on my M3 for years. Better handling than Michelin Pilots and wear better than Dunlop 5000''s. I don't autocross, only club driving schools and attempting to set land speed records on public roads, but these are great all season tires. Also, the Conti's leave a great tread mark on a mellophone or similar! The grooves channel the valves nicely out of the way and the compound is just hard enough to crush them flat without losing control of the car. Especially nice in rain and snow or if the horn has been oiled and greased recently. Kenny "white knuckle" Betts 42 speeding tickets with 8 states to go In a message dated 2/8/2008 1:01:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season = of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have = several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of = tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I have been trying to find just one used tire so I can get a few more = runs out of these tires with little success. Is it okay to purchase = just one new tire to complete this set? Would this cause handling = problems? Luke Zyla 99 red "Ranger" 42cs **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] leadpipe needed
Okay. Please let me know what you want for it. -Original Message- From: Ben Reidhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 7:52 am Subject: Re: [Hornlist] leadpipe needed Sandy - If you would be willing to wait a week or two, I should have one available then. Its just going to take a bit until I can get to a repair shop to have it swapped out. Ben --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a Lawson 210-125 leadpipe for sale, for a Conn 8D? Sandy Fralin Louisville, KY More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno42%40yahoo.com _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corsolo%40aol.com More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
Can the old tire be used to make valve bumpers? - Original Message - From: "Luke Zyla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Horn List" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Is new okay? I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I have been trying to find just one used tire so I can get a few more runs out of these tires with little success. Is it okay to purchase just one new tire to complete this set? Would this cause handling problems? Luke Zyla 99 red "Ranger" 42cs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Is new okay?
Hey Luke, You should be fine to replace one with a used one. Plane all four down as necessary so the tread depths match within 1/32nd." If you can't do that, then don't worry about it. Do check the depths after each run. If one goes sooner than the others, replace the whole set with new at that point or make sure your insurance is paid up in full and take one more run. I'm not familiar with Kumho's but I've used ContiPremierContacts on my M3 for years. Better handling than Michelin Pilots and wear better than Dunlop 5000''s. I don't autocross, only club driving schools and attempting to set land speed records on public roads, but these are great all season tires. Also, the Conti's leave a great tread mark on a mellophone or similar! The grooves channel the valves nicely out of the way and the compound is just hard enough to crush them flat without losing control of the car. Especially nice in rain and snow or if the horn has been oiled and greased recently. Kenny "white knuckle" Betts 42 speeding tickets with 8 states to go In a message dated 2/8/2008 1:01:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season = of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have = several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of = tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I have been trying to find just one used tire so I can get a few more = runs out of these tires with little success. Is it okay to purchase = just one new tire to complete this set? Would this cause handling = problems? Luke Zyla 99 red "Ranger" 42cs **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
Hi Like, Don't skimp on tires or brakes. .. time for new shoes ... front and back. Helmet? .. decide which part of your face you can do without and buy accordingly. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City (keeping the shiny side up) Aprillia 150 scooter Suzuki GS250 Honda CL350 Yamaha 500 Virago Kawasaki KZ650 Suzuki VL800 Volusia Honda GL1000 Gold Wing **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: C.F. Schmidt History
sheldon kirshner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The line is Schmidt, Geyer, Leuchnik (sp?), Lewis (although Lewis' link with Geyer is also direct and personal). Shel I guess I have to call into question the comment that Steve Lewis' link with Geyer is "direct." Lewis arrived in Chicago a full 2 years after Carl retired (the shop was closed by March 1970 and Carl -age 89- had only showed up 1-2 days a week for several months before that). There is no record nor recollection by anyone associated with the shop that Lewis ever worked in the shop, or in any way worked with Carl. He did visit with Carl at his home in 1972, but that in no way implies a direct (master/apprentice??) link. Many individuals worked in the shop doing repairs and cleanup (primarily to free up Carl to build horns), none of whom, other than Paul Navarro and possibly George Strucel (in the early '50s) and Carl's son Robert (in the mid '30s), actually worked on the new instruments under Carl's direction. Jerry Leichnuik was a master brass worker in his own right when he joined the shop but did not work on the new instruments (which he was perfectly qualified to do), only doing repair work. Remember, this was not a horn factory turning out several instruments a week, this was a one-man shop and Carl was slowing down; he could still build horns, but all the other grunt work (which, by the way, paid the bills) could be done by others. Peter ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
Luke, I would replace a pair of the tires - throw away the trashed one, keep the good one for a spare, and put the new tires on the same axle (either both on the front or both on the rear). -S- > -Original Message- > From: Steven Ovitsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:41 AM > To: 'The Horn List' > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Is new okay? > > > Luke - > > It should be fine except in the high register. > > cheers, > Steve > > Steven Ovitsky > Santa Fe Chamber Music festival > > Subject: [Hornlist] Is new okay? > > I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for > one season of autocross. With the exception of only one > tire, they still have several runs left in them. One of the > tires is toast: a section of tread about four inches in > diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. > > I have been trying to find just one used tire so I can get a > few more runs out of these tires with little success. Is it > okay to purchase just one new tire to complete this set? > Would this cause handling problems? > > Luke Zyla > 99 red "Ranger" > 42cs > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
Luke - It should be fine except in the high register. cheers, Steve Steven Ovitsky Santa Fe Chamber Music festival Subject: [Hornlist] Is new okay? I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I have been trying to find just one used tire so I can get a few more runs out of these tires with little success. Is it okay to purchase just one new tire to complete this set? Would this cause handling problems? Luke Zyla 99 red "Ranger" 42cs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
From: "Luke Zyla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I think friend Luke mistakenly posted this message to the wrong group. But since Luke will have to scrap at least that one tire, perhaps needy horn players could ask him for small segments of the tire for use as valve cork material. In my day we made our own autocross tires. Come morning I need to check my rubber trees near the aligator swamp... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Is new okay?
I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I have been trying to find just one used tire so I can get a few more runs out of these tires with little success. Is it okay to purchase just one new tire to complete this set? Would this cause handling problems? Luke Zyla 99 red "Ranger" 42cs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
