RE: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
With the Mozart Concertos ? The best are Dennis Brain & Michael Hoeltzel ! == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:39 AM To: Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos Hello All (again) I have been listening to the Mozart Horn Concertos recently, as I will be playing one of the movements (probably the second concerto, movement III) in a June recital. I have now listened to three recordings of these concertos, and I have an opinion-based question. I have heard a Barry Tuckwell recording, the recording of Dale Clevenger under Janos Rolla, and the recordings of Eric Ruske with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. Of those three, I like the recording with Barry Tuckwell the least. In the second concert, third movement, it sounds like he was pushing very hard to get the high B flat out, and I do not like his tone quality very much. The second place recording is the Dale Clevenger one. I think that his tone is wonderful in the second concerto, but the first concerto (in D major) does not have the same rich smoothness. Therefore, my favorite recording is the Eric Ruske recording. He is a well-rounded player, and is able to put so much emotion into what he plays. And so, my question: Who do you think is the best player of those three? -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Just Ft.Wayne & Washington D.C. - on family visit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter piper Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Low F on Vienna Horn? Prof. Pizka, Where will you be in the USA? Sincerely, Peter Henderson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
[quote] And so, my question: Who do you think is the best player of those three? [/quote] You have got to be kidding me. Tuckwell was principal horn of many orchestras and recorded the Mozart concerti on at least five occasions (let alone all his other recordings). Dale Clevenger has spent 42 years as principal horn of Chicago Symphony. Eric Ruske won a paying job with Cleveland at age 21. You should wish you played as well as any of them. Just on the off chance you are not a troll I'll tell you to go listen to the Brain recording and also the Lowell Greer recording. If your real question was which version is closest to Mozart era style then these two recordings will come much closer to answering your question. Also, go read the Charles Rosen book(s) on classical style, Casals & the Art of Interpretation, Bruno Walters On Music and Music Making, and Quantz Art of Flute Playing. Now go study the Neue Mozart-Ausgabe manuscripts or best of all Professor Pizka's book Das Horn bei Mozart. And no, there is no point to asking who is the best player. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
Hello All (again) I have been listening to the Mozart Horn Concertos recently, as I will be playing one of the movements (probably the second concerto, movement III) in a June recital. I have now listened to three recordings of these concertos, and I have an opinion-based question. I have heard a Barry Tuckwell recording, the recording of Dale Clevenger under Janos Rolla, and the recordings of Eric Ruske with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. Of those three, I like the recording with Barry Tuckwell the least. In the second concert, third movement, it sounds like he was pushing very hard to get the high B flat out, and I do not like his tone quality very much. The second place recording is the Dale Clevenger one. I think that his tone is wonderful in the second concerto, but the first concerto (in D major) does not have the same rich smoothness. Therefore, my favorite recording is the Eric Ruske recording. He is a well-rounded player, and is able to put so much emotion into what he plays. And so, my question: Who do you think is the best player of those three? -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
re: [Hornlist] Idaho a cultural vacuum? I don't think so.
Hi Valerie, I replied with several options for the young lady at the time. All of them involved effort on her part so the onus was moved back to where it belonged. There is lots of culture in Boise and Moscow and the rest of the citizenry is appreciative of what they may or may not understand. The Boise Philharmonic is one of the best orchestras of its budget size anywhere. They in fact are in a conductor search at the moment so we shall see what rises from the flames of change which are often healthy. Chamber music is exceptionally strong in Boise. Several former acquaintances of mine make a mostly full time living at chamber playing (though they won't ever get rich). Also, the Sun Valley music festival (in summer of course) is a very nice little festival as well. If you are into jazz (or wine) then the Ste. Chapelle winery outside of Boise has a summer jazz festival that is excellent too. No, there is no doubt that young lady was significantly mistaken. As a side note: BYU only acquired the college at Rexburg in the last couple of years. BYU itself has a much larger and stronger music program though not of course on par with Julliard/NEC/NU/etc. The Utah Symphony is another good orchestra to see in concert. At any rate, my rant is winding down. The Jack Attack! [quote] A few months ago, a student attending BYU-I in tiny, obscure Rexburg, Idaho was searching for a natural horn to play for her senior recital. If I remember correctly she credited the difficulty of the search possibly to Idaho being a cultural vacuum. (Can't remember her exact words, so I hope you catch my drift.) Well ... I beg to differ. Tuesday evening I had the opportunity to hear the touring BYU-Idaho Sinfonietta perform the 4th mvt of Mahler's 5th, Vaugh William's 5 Variant's on the Lazarus theme, a Dvorak string Suite & a few other pieces I can't recall. It was stunning, flawless, gorgeous. I've never heard students perform so well; they sounded like pros. It was a very moving experience. My only disappointment w/ the program was there were NO HORNS! I was hoping to hear the student who was looking for the organic blaster. Anyway, if Idaho is a cultural vacuum, the suction is seriously compromised in Rexburg. Bravo Idaho! Valerie in Tacoma [/quote] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:Flanders and Swann
The "Ill Wind" To Mozart Third Horn Concerto - last movement is the only music related parody I know of by them. I believe that they made three LP recordings. All of them very funny. Good Baritone singer and good pianist. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Prof. Pizka, Where will you be in the USA? Sincerely, Peter Henderson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Mark- I heard the Vienna Philharmonic play Mahler's Third symphony in Carnegie hall about 5 years ago.? One player took out the regular F crook of his horn and played those written low? E's on an A crook. On the Bernstein DVD of this symphony Hans Berger is playing a b-flat horn so I'm sure he handled those low E's perfectly. Pete Jilka Kansas City -Original Message- From: Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:26 pm Subject: [Hornlist] Low F on Vienna Horn? Lieber Herrn Hans Pizka! Koennen Sie Mir bitte Helfen? I'm not sure how to post to you privately, but perhaps others on the list will find this question of interest. I play a Vienna Horn and my community orchestra has programmed Mahler's 4th for our next program. I've been assigned 3rd Horn since the pedal F notes in the 2nd and 4th parts are generally not assumed to be playable on a single F horn. I was hoping you could provide me with the solution used by Vienna Horn players for this not, since these parts were in all likelihood written for them. Herzlichen Dank, Mark Phillips Symphony of the Potomac Rockville, MD ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmjilka%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Idaho a cultural vacuum? I don't think so.
Idaho is actually quite a thriving cultural place, but keep in mind that the state of Idaho has only a little over 1 million people (1/9 the size of the San Francisco Bay Area alone). There aren't many horn players total; I remember a time when the HIS directory only had 7 Idaho-based names in it. I'm up in Moscow at the big University of Idaho, where I can't find time to go to all the cultural stuff going on. As for natural horns, I had a student of mine borrow one from a colleague in nearby Spokane (90 miles from here) and she worked up a Mozart concerto on it, so if a hornist has the will, he/she will find the way. I do not study or teach the natural horn myself. Not enough valves. I think if they built a model with 3 or 4 valves I'd get a couple. ;-) Robert Dickow Associate Prof of Horn, Theory, Composition Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho, Moscow P.S. We are not a jazz school. You can't major in jazz here. Maybe soon, though. But I can show you some great trout streams. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:50 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Idaho a cultural vacuum? I don't think so. A few months ago, a student attending BYU-I in tiny, obscure Rexburg, Idaho was searching for a natural horn to play for her senior recital. If I remember correctly she credited the difficulty of the search possibly to Idaho being a cultural vaccuum. (Can't remember her exact words, so I hope you catch my drift.) Well ... I beg to differ. Tuesday evening I had the opportunity to hear the touring BYU-Idaho Sinfonietta perform the 4th mvt of Mahler's 5th, Vaugh William's 5 Variant's on the Lazarus theme, a Dvorak string Suite & a few other pieces I can't recall. It was stunning, flawless, gorgeous. I've never heard students perform so well; they sounded like pros. It was a very moving experience. My only disappointment w/ the program was there were NO HORNS! I was hoping to hear the student who was looking for the organic blaster. Anyway, if Idaho is a cultural vacuum, the suction is seriously compromised in Rexburg. Bravo Idaho! Valerie in Tacoma _ Click to book your dream cruise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifleUCn0B2FjToWMK9vnmILDFo pg5VZW6Q6pWeULbmk5n1ru/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dickow%40uidaho.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Idaho a cultural vacuum? I don't think so.
A few months ago, a student attending BYU-I in tiny, obscure Rexburg, Idaho was searching for a natural horn to play for her senior recital. If I remember correctly she credited the difficulty of the search possibly to Idaho being a cultural vaccuum. (Can't remember her exact words, so I hope you catch my drift.) Well ... I beg to differ. Tuesday evening I had the opportunity to hear the touring BYU-Idaho Sinfonietta perform the 4th mvt of Mahler's 5th, Vaugh William's 5 Variant's on the Lazarus theme, a Dvorak string Suite & a few other pieces I can't recall. It was stunning, flawless, gorgeous. I've never heard students perform so well; they sounded like pros. It was a very moving experience. My only disappointment w/ the program was there were NO HORNS! I was hoping to hear the student who was looking for the organic blaster. Anyway, if Idaho is a cultural vacuum, the suction is seriously compromised in Rexburg. Bravo Idaho! Valerie in Tacoma _ Click to book your dream cruise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifleUCn0B2FjToWMK9vnmILDFopg5VZW6Q6pWeULbmk5n1ru/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Hello Mark, sorry I do not find my CDs with all the Mahler parts. Can you scan the relevant page & send me as an email attachement, please. Pls rush as I will leave for USA next thursday. Anyway, I doubt if he used the written low F below low C. It is possible on the F horn but a very weak note: 123 plus right hand & lips. This would not be of any effect. as I do not remember much Mahler (I am not a great Mahler fan), the part would be of great help. But Mahler was in Vienna that time. Stiegler was there & Romagnoli. It makes no sense to me. And is it important ??? Waiting for your reply. Greetings Hans ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Lieber Herrn Hans Pizka! Koennen Sie Mir bitte Helfen? I'm not sure how to post to you privately, but perhaps others on the list will find this question of interest. I play a Vienna Horn and my community orchestra has programmed Mahler's 4th for our next program. I've been assigned 3rd Horn since the pedal F notes in the 2nd and 4th parts are generally not assumed to be playable on a single F horn. I was hoping you could provide me with the solution used by Vienna Horn players for this not, since these parts were in all likelihood written for them. Herzlichen Dank, Mark Phillips Symphony of the Potomac Rockville, MD ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
