RE: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Just Ft.Wayne Washington D.C. - on family visit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter piper Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Low F on Vienna Horn? Prof. Pizka, Where will you be in the USA? Sincerely, Peter Henderson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
With the Mozart Concertos ? The best are Dennis Brain Michael Hoeltzel ! == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:39 AM To: Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos Hello All (again) I have been listening to the Mozart Horn Concertos recently, as I will be playing one of the movements (probably the second concerto, movement III) in a June recital. I have now listened to three recordings of these concertos, and I have an opinion-based question. I have heard a Barry Tuckwell recording, the recording of Dale Clevenger under Janos Rolla, and the recordings of Eric Ruske with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. Of those three, I like the recording with Barry Tuckwell the least. In the second concert, third movement, it sounds like he was pushing very hard to get the high B flat out, and I do not like his tone quality very much. The second place recording is the Dale Clevenger one. I think that his tone is wonderful in the second concerto, but the first concerto (in D major) does not have the same rich smoothness. Therefore, my favorite recording is the Eric Ruske recording. He is a well-rounded player, and is able to put so much emotion into what he plays. And so, my question: Who do you think is the best player of those three? -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
2008/4/24 Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I play a Vienna Horn and my community orchestra has programmed Mahler's 4th for our next program. I've been assigned 3rd Horn since the pedal F notes in the 2nd and 4th parts are generally not assumed to be playable on a single F horn. I was hoping you could provide me with the solution used by Vienna Horn players for this not, since these parts were in all likelihood written for them. I have a copy of all four parts to hand. The bass clef passages are old notation. The only pedal F I can find is in the 4th part, last movement, rehearsal mark 10, where the 2nd 4th horns are in octaves for a slow pianissimo passage, the 4th starting on a minim pedal F, and going on to crotchet G, A, minim B, then crotchet A, G followed by a final minim F. The tempo marking is Wieder plotzlich zuruckhaltend (apologies Hans for not including the necessary umlauts). In other words, the passage is fairly slow and very quiet, which I imagine would leave an opportunity for the player to use hand and lip to push the pitch down to F from F#. As 2nd is playing the same passage an octave above, you would have a good reference pitch for the purpose of adjusting the tuning. Challenging for a single F horn, Vienna or otherwise, but by no means impossible. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
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Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Couldn't it be played as a false note on first valve? Actually, I have found that false notes are sharp, so 12 might be better. My false notes are not strong, but I should think that a good player would be fairly strong. I forget the technical term for false note, but it means the same thing. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Jonathan West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:01:12 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Low F on Vienna Horn? 2008/4/24 Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I play a Vienna Horn and my community orchestra has programmed Mahler's 4th for our next program. I've been assigned 3rd Horn since the pedal F notes in the 2nd and 4th parts are generally not assumed to be playable on a single F horn. I was hoping you could provide me with the solution used by Vienna Horn players for this not, since these parts were in all likelihood written for them. I have a copy of all four parts to hand. The bass clef passages are old notation. The only pedal F I can find is in the 4th part, last movement, rehearsal mark 10, where the 2nd 4th horns are in octaves for a slow pianissimo passage, the 4th starting on a minim pedal F, and going on to crotchet G, A, minim B, then crotchet A, G followed by a final minim F. The tempo marking is Wieder plotzlich zuruckhaltend (apologies Hans for not including the necessary umlauts). In other words, the passage is fairly slow and very quiet, which I imagine would leave an opportunity for the player to use hand and lip to push the pitch down to F from F#. As 2nd is playing the same passage an octave above, you would have a good reference pitch for the purpose of adjusting the tuning. Challenging for a single F horn, Vienna or otherwise, but by no means impossible. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
I think you mean factitious note. That is, a manufactured note that isn't on the horn. Such as the low G in the Beethoven Sonata for natural horn. It's pretty easy to produce. Paul Mansur On Apr 25, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Herbert Foster wrote: Couldn't it be played as a false note on first valve? Actually, I have found that false notes are sharp, so 12 might be better. My false notes are not strong, but I should think that a good player would be fairly strong. I forget the technical term for false note, but it means the same thing. Herb Foster ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Right you are. It's factitious note. With all our sports car gadgets, we forget about such things. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Paul Mansur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:09:11 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Low F on Vienna Horn? I think you mean factitious note. That is, a manufactured note that isn't on the horn. Such as the low G in the Beethoven Sonata for natural horn. It's pretty easy to produce. Paul Mansur On Apr 25, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Herbert Foster wrote: Couldn't it be played as a false note on first valve? Actually, I have found that false notes are sharp, so 12 might be better. My false notes are not strong, but I should think that a good player would be fairly strong. I forget the technical term for false note, but it means the same thing. Herb Foster ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Hans We're having the same problem again of the body of your messages not coming through Regards Jonathan West 2008/4/25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jwest%40mvps.org ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NHR - Rexburg question
Having spent a couple of weeks in Rexburg in 1983 (or 84 - my reasons for being there totally and utterly NHR) I am surprised to be reminded of my little sojourn by recent postings. One question: the main focus of Rexburg's existence seemed to be the local institution, Ricks College. Does anyone have knowledge that it is now the BYU-Idaho campus that was mentioned? Thanks, Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NHR - Rexburg question
BYU-Idaho is indeed the former Ricks College. In Rexburg there is the college, the hospital, a non super sized Walmart and the nearby St Anthony sand dunes. The best part of Rexburg is that it is only 77 miles (124km) from West Yellowstone. Nearby Rigby is the home and museum of the inventor of the, TV Phil Farnsworth. It hasn't grown much since you were there Peter. I don't and have not lived there but West Yellowstone is considered neighbor distance in mountain west terms. http://www.byui.edu/ The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Idaho a cultural vacuum? I don't think so.
I agree. Any state home to Napoleon Dynamite is definitely worth defending. Especially its cultural contributions to the United States. AO [quote] On 4/24/08, John Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Valerie, I replied with several options for the young lady at the time. All of them involved effort on her part so the onus was moved back to where it belonged. There is lots of culture in Boise and Moscow and the rest of the citizenry is appreciative of what they may or may not understand. The Boise Philharmonic is one of the best orchestras of its budget size anywhere. They in fact are in a conductor search at the moment so we shall see what rises from the flames of change which are often healthy. Chamber music is exceptionally strong in Boise. Several former acquaintances of mine make a mostly full time living at chamber playing (though they won't ever get rich). Also, the Sun Valley music festival (in summer of course) is a very nice little festival as well. If you are into jazz (or wine) then the Ste. Chapelle winery outside of Boise has a summer jazz festival that is excellent too. No, there is no doubt that young lady was significantly mistaken. As a side note: BYU only acquired the college at Rexburg in the last couple of years. BYU itself has a much larger and stronger music program though not of course on par with Julliard/NEC/NU/etc. The Utah Symphony is another good orchestra to see in concert. At any rate, my rant is winding down. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Chavez 4 horn concerto
Hello everyone, I am looking for an audio recording of the Chavez concerto for 4 horns (not to be confused with the 4 horn sonata). Does anyone know of one? Also... has anyone played this piece and can anyone on its effectiveness and how it was received? Regards, Aleks Ozolins ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos
Alan Civil's and Gerd Seifert's recordings are my two favorites. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:36 AM, hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the Mozart Concertos ? The best are Dennis Brain Michael Hoeltzel ! == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:horn-bounces+hans horn-bounces%2Bhans[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:39 AM To: Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concertos Hello All (again) I have been listening to the Mozart Horn Concertos recently, as I will be playing one of the movements (probably the second concerto, movement III) in a June recital. I have now listened to three recordings of these concertos, and I have an opinion-based question. I have heard a Barry Tuckwell recording, the recording of Dale Clevenger under Janos Rolla, and the recordings of Eric Ruske with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. Of those three, I like the recording with Barry Tuckwell the least. In the second concert, third movement, it sounds like he was pushing very hard to get the high B flat out, and I do not like his tone quality very much. The second place recording is the Dale Clevenger one. I think that his tone is wonderful in the second concerto, but the first concerto (in D major) does not have the same rich smoothness. Therefore, my favorite recording is the Eric Ruske recording. He is a well-rounded player, and is able to put so much emotion into what he plays. And so, my question: Who do you think is the best player of those three? -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/parsifal560sec%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Hello Jonathan, I´ll try it again: This is the old problem: people forget completely that modern bass clef was not in use around 1900. It came into use after WW2. Players conductors seem not to know that fact. But anyway, this particular concert Contra B-flat is not an important note there. It is in p dynamics doubled an octave higher by the 2nd horn, as you wrote. There would be a chance to use an E-flat crook pull all three slides out accordingly, if the passage would be that important. It is not ! And playing it as factitious note is not the right way. 123 plus right hand plus eventual bending the missing interval is much better easier. Both techniques require a very good ear. Greetings Hans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan West Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:01 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Low F on Vienna Horn? 2008/4/24 Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I play a Vienna Horn and my community orchestra has programmed Mahler's 4th for our next program. I've been assigned 3rd Horn since the pedal F notes in the 2nd and 4th parts are generally not assumed to be playable on a single F horn. I was hoping you could provide me with the solution used by Vienna Horn players for this not, since these parts were in all likelihood written for them. I have a copy of all four parts to hand. The bass clef passages are old notation. The only pedal F I can find is in the 4th part, last movement, rehearsal mark 10, where the 2nd 4th horns are in octaves for a slow pianissimo passage, the 4th starting on a minim pedal F, and going on to crotchet G, A, minim B, then crotchet A, G followed by a final minim F. The tempo marking is Wieder plotzlich zuruckhaltend (apologies Hans for not including the necessary umlauts). In other words, the passage is fairly slow and very quiet, which I imagine would leave an opportunity for the player to use hand and lip to push the pitch down to F from F#. As 2nd is playing the same passage an octave above, you would have a good reference pitch for the purpose of adjusting the tuning. Challenging for a single F horn, Vienna or otherwise, but by no means impossible. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
