Re: [Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural?
akruegs...@comcast.net wrote: Would this transposition apply to a Strauss piece too? As in the third horn might transpose up? Probably not. Although one ought consider every Bb horn part Strauss wrote in his long life, I would expect Strauss always to use of Bb basso. By the way, I am just barely a contemporary of Richard Strauss. It is an interesting question how one differentiates Bb alto from Bb basso, given that some composers don't mark it. Stylistic conventions (i.e. the way everybody always plays it on recordings) provide quick answers, but sometimes one needs to decide based on the music itself. Think what the second movement of Beethoven 6 would sound like if the horns played Bb alto. But think what nOnSeNsE would result if the Bb 2nd horn part of Mozart 40th were played basso! Many years ago (when some huy named Ford was president) I overheard a rehearsal of Schubert 5th. The hornists --quite excellent grad students of a major conservatory -- were playing it Bb alto. It was to me an exciting rendition -- and very well played -- but I suspected that it would sound wrong to anyone who wasn't a horn player. I descended into the music library stacks and grabbed a score to resolve the issue, wihtout resorting to stylistic conventions. There is one place in the first movement that strongly suggests that Schubert's intrended transposition if Bb basso. Can anyone identify it? I'll post the answer in a day or two -- if not, somebody remind me. The full score to Schubert's 5th in pdf can be found here: http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/9/9f/IMSLP24763-PMLP25688-Schubert_Symphony_5__D.485_Allegro.pdf (You might need to start at http://imslp.info and drill down to Schubert, since this site generally asks users to agree that they aren't responsible for misprints. But the score is easy to find. Every serious musician who doesn't live in a good music library should be familiar with this site!) Hint: See the end of the first movement. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural?
Would this transposition apply to a Strauss piece too? As in the third horn might transpose up? --Original Message-- From: Steve Haflich Sender: horn-bounces+akruegs629=comcast@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: s...@franz.com ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural? Sent: Mar 18, 2009 7:44 PM Carlberg, Jonathan, and Per Ottar have informed you correctly about the key, except they neglected to mention whether this is B basso or B basso. Both transpositions are common in the 18th Century -- both appear in Mozart, for instance -- but well into the 18th century Bb alto becomes rare. Mendelssohn is almost certainly to intend basso, which is good, otherwise 3rd would find any number of exposed high C's (after transposing to F horn). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/akruegs629%40comcast.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural?
Carlberg, Jonathan, and Per Ottar have informed you correctly about the key, except they neglected to mention whether this is B basso or B basso. Both transpositions are common in the 18th Century -- both appear in Mozart, for instance -- but well into the 18th century Bb alto becomes rare. Mendelssohn is almost certainly to intend basso, which is good, otherwise 3rd would find any number of exposed high C's (after transposing to F horn). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 75, Issue 20
> > Hi Mr. Weiner, I was using hetman light rotor oil for the top, al cass for down the slides, and very little stp oil treatment for the slides. The rotors didnt slow down until I reoiled them about 5 days after I got the horn back from the repairman. To oil it, I usually put oil into the slides, push them the whole way in, and invert the horn. My horn has brass rotors. Any ideas as to what caused it/what I should use? It's a fairly new horn, so the rotors arent too worn yet. Thanks, Joel > > message: 4 > date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:35:35 -0400 > from: Brass Arts Unlimited > subject: [Hornlist] Oil > > >> I play on a Paxman 23 and recently had it cleaned. I had been using > Hetman > light rotor oil down the slides and Hetman rotor oil on the bearings. > Before I had it cleaned the valves were getting kind of sticky, thus the > cleaning. When I got it back, the repairman said to use Al Cass down the > slides and a slightly thicker oil on the top. In proceeding with this > recommendation, I found that my rotors slowed down to a crawl. Does anyone > have any different recommendations as to what to do about this? They are > basically no better than before I had them cleaned right now. << > > Joel, > > This could be happening for any of several reasons. Before answering your > question, I would want to know: > - what are you using for a "thicker oil on the top"? > - what are you using for slide grease? > - what is your exact procedure for oiling your horn? > - were the valves slow immediately after you got the horn back, or did it > take a while (and if so, how long)? > - does this horn have titanium rotors? > > -- > Regards, > > Dave Weiner > Brass Arts Unlimited > > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural?
In cases like this, it may be wise to check the key of the piece. Key and horn tuning usually have things in common. Per Ottar Den 18. mars. 2009 kl. 23.18 skrev Jonathan West: 2009/3/18 Valerie WELLS : I once played a piece that was Corno in B or Cor in B (not sure which). As it turned out, it was really horn in B flat, down a perfect fifth -- what a relief! I've now been given some parts of Mendelsshon's Elias Oratorium, Erster Theil. It's for Corno III, in B. I hope this means horn in B flat (down a perfect fifth) rather than horn in B natural (down an diminished fifth). Can anyone clarify this for me? Please respond to one of my email addresses below. I'm on digest & may not see the answer before the first rehearsal! The German for Bb is B. The German for B is H. Mendelssohn was German. You don't see parts for Horn in H very often. The only two pieces in standard repertoire where I recall seeing horn in H is the second movement of Brahms 2 (1st & 2nd horns) and a short passage in the 5th movement of Schumann's Rhenish symphony, in the 3rd & 4th parts. The first part of Elijah is definitely in the german B (i.e. in Bb) Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural?
2009/3/18 Valerie WELLS : > > I once played a piece that was Corno in B or Cor in B (not sure which). As > it turned out, it was really horn in B flat, down a perfect fifth -- what a > relief! I've now been given some parts of Mendelsshon's Elias Oratorium, > Erster Theil. It's for Corno III, in B. I hope this means horn in B flat > (down a perfect fifth) rather than horn in B natural (down an diminished > fifth). Can anyone clarify this for me? Please respond to one of my email > addresses below. I'm on digest & may not see the answer before the first > rehearsal! The German for Bb is B. The German for B is H. Mendelssohn was German. You don't see parts for Horn in H very often. The only two pieces in standard repertoire where I recall seeing horn in H is the second movement of Brahms 2 (1st & 2nd horns) and a short passage in the 5th movement of Schumann's Rhenish symphony, in the 3rd & 4th parts. The first part of Elijah is definitely in the german B (i.e. in Bb) Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural?
What a wonderful opportunity!!! Just practice in both B-natural and B-flat. Easy. Then you'll be prepared, right? Carlberg At 3:07 PM -0700 3/18/09, Valerie WELLS wrote: I've now been given some parts of Mendelsshon's Elias Oratorium, Erster Theil. It's for Corno III, in B. I hope this means horn in B flat (down a perfect fifth) rather than horn in B natural (down an diminished fifth). Can anyone clarify this for me? -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural?
I once played a piece that was Corno in B or Cor in B (not sure which). As it turned out, it was really horn in B flat, down a perfect fifth -- what a relief! I've now been given some parts of Mendelsshon's Elias Oratorium, Erster Theil. It's for Corno III, in B. I hope this means horn in B flat (down a perfect fifth) rather than horn in B natural (down an diminished fifth). Can anyone clarify this for me? Please respond to one of my email addresses below. I'm on digest & may not see the answer before the first rehearsal! Valerie Wells valleriewe...@msn.com wells123...@juno.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] quarter music
With all of the other recommendations, I would add the B.E.Muller quartets. They are/were published by Southern Music Company in San Antonio in four volumes. Checking their catalog it seems that they only have Books II and III in stock. While very 19th Century in flavor, they can be a lot of fun to play, and to play around with. Fourth horn should be able to deal with bass clef notation. For inspiration, if you have a copy of the recordings from IHS II or III (not sure which), there are recordings two of these quartets played by Barry Tuckwell, Myron Bloom Ib-Lansky Otto, and I think Phil Farkas IIRC (sheesh it was only 38+ years ago!). Dana Twiss Litchfield, Maine mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Quartet Music
Alex, I can only endorse Bill Melton's fabulous gigbook. It's got a bit of everything. However! Visit my website, www.brasshausmusic.com and have a look at my two quartet books. The six miniatures starts with a Berlioz type funeral march and finishes with, literally, a hunting scene that gives the performers ample opportunity for entertaining - offstage horn calls etc. Also, the book of encores for horn quartet (to be reviewed by Bob Ashworth in the next issue of 'The Horn Player') gives you two Sousa Marches, a Neopolitan song, a specifically American piece, 'Sweet Lavender' by Edward MacDowell and a Bavarian whoop up with handstopping and quasi glissandi. Invest and enjoy. Ralph R. Hall (ra...@brasshausmusic.com) - Original Message - From: "A Reece" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:55 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Horn Quartet Music Hello all, I am a high school senior who just formed a horn quartet with my friends. We are a fairly good group and we enjoy playing together but now we are looking for some quality quartet music to play. Does anyone have recommendations for good quality horn quartets/horn quartet books? We're hoping to eventually have enough material to play some gigs (I am in the quartet for the enjoyment of it, but others became serious with the potential to make money). More specifically, does anyone know of a quartet arrangement for John Williams/Star Wars music? (one of our members is a passionate Star Wars fan and we've been looking all over for any sort of quartet arrangement with the thought that we could transpose a string quartet, etc. if necessary). Thanks for your advice, Alex Reece 4th Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ralph%40brasshausmusic.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Quartet Music
now we are looking for some quality quartet music to play. Does anyone have recommendations for good quality horn quartets/horn quartet books? We're hoping to eventually have enough material to play some gigs Alex, the following collection offers everything you need in one package. For contents and description (even program notes): http://www.gigbook.de/ Bill Melton Sinfonie Orchester Aachen (Germany) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
