[Hornlist] NHR: NHR posts and complaints about subject lines.

2009-06-01 Thread Conja Summerlin
Apologies for not editing the subject earlier but I have to note that the
people who were getting cranky about subjects not reading "NHR" didn't
change it themselves either.

Please let's have some grace on the list.

Conja

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Martin Bender  wrote:

> Walt, what's your point?
>
> The history of the U.S. Marines is irrelevant to the study of the horn.
>
> As a courtesy to those not interested, please use "NHR".
>
> Thanks,
> martin
>
>
>
> On 1-Jun-09, at 10:12 PM, lewho...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>  I did remark about musicians being riflemen, do you consider us Hornists
>> not to be musicians, Martin? When I attended my son's graduation from
>> recruit training the Parris Island Bandsmen used Horns, not the bastardized
>> Mellophones.
>>
>> Walt Lewis
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Martin Bender 
>>
>> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:04:41
>> To: ; The Horn List
>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1
>>
>>
>> Please folks-- don't forget to use the "NHR" in your post.
>>
>> If I want to know more about the history of the U.S. Marines, I'll
>> search for it-- but not on this forum.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> martin bender
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1-Jun-09, at 9:58 PM, lewho...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>  Lawrence,
>>>
>>> Our (U.S. Marines) were insituted on November 10, 1775 to assist in
>>> the fight against King George III, and his notion of taxation
>>> without representation. They are the World's best riflemen, (those
>>> that play in the bands are considered riflemen first and then
>>> musicians, excepting those in the President's Own) and I am proud
>>> that my son was a member of The few, The Proud, The Marines. Thanks
>>> to the British for angering us to institute the Marine Corps.
>>>
>>> I am sure Jack Dutton can give us more info since he is a Marine
>>> (once a Marine, always a Marine)
>>>
>>> Ooorah!
>>> Walt Lewis
>>>
>>> --Original Message--
>>> From: Lawrence Yates
>>> Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu
>>> To: The Horn List
>>> ReplyTo: The Horn List
>>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1
>>> Sent: Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM
>>>
>>> What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know
>>> about our
>>> "Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Lawrence
>>>
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread Martin Bender

Walt, what's your point?

The history of the U.S. Marines is irrelevant to the study of the horn.

As a courtesy to those not interested, please use "NHR".

Thanks,
martin


On 1-Jun-09, at 10:12 PM, lewho...@yahoo.com wrote:

I did remark about musicians being riflemen, do you consider us  
Hornists not to be musicians, Martin? When I attended my son's  
graduation from recruit training the Parris Island Bandsmen used  
Horns, not the bastardized Mellophones.


Walt Lewis
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-Original Message-
From: Martin Bender 

Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:04:41
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1


Please folks-- don't forget to use the "NHR" in your post.

If I want to know more about the history of the U.S. Marines, I'll
search for it-- but not on this forum.

Thanks!
martin bender





On 1-Jun-09, at 9:58 PM, lewho...@yahoo.com wrote:


Lawrence,

Our (U.S. Marines) were insituted on November 10, 1775 to assist in
the fight against King George III, and his notion of taxation
without representation. They are the World's best riflemen, (those
that play in the bands are considered riflemen first and then
musicians, excepting those in the President's Own) and I am proud
that my son was a member of The few, The Proud, The Marines. Thanks
to the British for angering us to institute the Marine Corps.

I am sure Jack Dutton can give us more info since he is a Marine
(once a Marine, always a Marine)

Ooorah!
Walt Lewis

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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1
Sent: Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM

What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know
about our
"Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)


Cheers,


Lawrence

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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread lewhorn9
I did remark about musicians being riflemen, do you consider us Hornists not to 
be musicians, Martin? When I attended my son's graduation from recruit training 
the Parris Island Bandsmen used Horns, not the bastardized Mellophones. 

Walt Lewis
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-Original Message-
From: Martin Bender 

Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:04:41 
To: ; The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1


Please folks-- don't forget to use the "NHR" in your post.

If I want to know more about the history of the U.S. Marines, I'll  
search for it-- but not on this forum.

Thanks!
martin bender





On 1-Jun-09, at 9:58 PM, lewho...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Lawrence,
>
> Our (U.S. Marines) were insituted on November 10, 1775 to assist in  
> the fight against King George III, and his notion of taxation  
> without representation. They are the World's best riflemen, (those  
> that play in the bands are considered riflemen first and then  
> musicians, excepting those in the President's Own) and I am proud  
> that my son was a member of The few, The Proud, The Marines. Thanks  
> to the British for angering us to institute the Marine Corps.
>
> I am sure Jack Dutton can give us more info since he is a Marine  
> (once a Marine, always a Marine)
>
> Ooorah!
> Walt Lewis
>
> --Original Message--
> From: Lawrence Yates
> Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu
> To: The Horn List
> ReplyTo: The Horn List
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1
> Sent: Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM
>
> What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know  
> about our
> "Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Lawrence
>
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread Martin Bender

Please folks-- don't forget to use the "NHR" in your post.

If I want to know more about the history of the U.S. Marines, I'll  
search for it-- but not on this forum.


Thanks!
martin bender





On 1-Jun-09, at 9:58 PM, lewho...@yahoo.com wrote:


Lawrence,

Our (U.S. Marines) were insituted on November 10, 1775 to assist in  
the fight against King George III, and his notion of taxation  
without representation. They are the World's best riflemen, (those  
that play in the bands are considered riflemen first and then  
musicians, excepting those in the President's Own) and I am proud  
that my son was a member of The few, The Proud, The Marines. Thanks  
to the British for angering us to institute the Marine Corps.


I am sure Jack Dutton can give us more info since he is a Marine  
(once a Marine, always a Marine)


Ooorah!
Walt Lewis

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To: The Horn List
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1
Sent: Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM

What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know  
about our

"Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)


Cheers,


Lawrence

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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread lewhorn9
Lawrence,

Our (U.S. Marines) were insituted on November 10, 1775 to assist in the fight 
against King George III, and his notion of taxation without representation. 
They are the World's best riflemen, (those that play in the bands are 
considered riflemen first and then musicians, excepting those in the 
President's Own) and I am proud that my son was a member of The few, The Proud, 
The Marines. Thanks to the British for angering us to institute the Marine 
Corps. 

I am sure Jack Dutton can give us more info since he is a Marine (once a 
Marine, always a Marine)

Ooorah!
Walt Lewis

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To: The Horn List
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1
Sent: Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM

What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know about our
"Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)


Cheers,


Lawrence

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Re: [Hornlist] Re: bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread William.S.Gross
Then there is the other brass player who is overweight and dealing  
with empasima.  He came flying on the stage gasping for breath.  He  
almost knocked me out of my chair as he dove for a seat.  After my  
initial shock I looked at him, saw his bright red face and decided it  
was about time to call 9-1-1 (emergency services).


Fortunately, the lad did recover.

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Build a cement bunker around your seat. No time or budget for cement  
contruction?  Then, stack sand bags 6 feet tall around your seat.  
Need to see the conductor?  Get a video camera and monitor.  No  
budget for video equipment?  Not a problem, use a inexpensive  
periscope mounted to your music stand.


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Re: [Hornlist] Re: bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
Why would you need to be able to see the conductor?

Cheers,

Lawrence

2009/6/1 wells123...@juno.com 

> Build a cement bunker around your seat. No time or budget for cement
> contruction?  Then, stack sand bags 6 feet tall around your seat. Need to
> see the conductor?  Get a video camera and monitor.  No budget for video
> equipment?  Not a problem, use a inexpensive periscope mounted to your music
> stand.
>
> Valerie Wells
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[Hornlist] Re: bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread wells123...@juno.com
Build a cement bunker around your seat. No time or budget for cement 
contruction?  Then, stack sand bags 6 feet tall around your seat. Need to see 
the conductor?  Get a video camera and monitor.  No budget for video equipment? 
 Not a problem, use a inexpensive periscope mounted to your music stand.  

Valerie Wells
"Military Suplus" for French Horn

  


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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread William.S.Gross
My college roomate was commissioned in the Navy.  He explained to me  
once that these Marines were the gate guards at Navy Bases.



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On Jun 1, 2009, at 3:14 PM, "Joe Scarpelli"  
 wrote:


We have an organization in the States that wear red hats too. But  
they are

(generally) elderly ladies from the South. J



Joe



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What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know  
about our


"Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)





Cheers,





Lawrence



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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread Jeremy Cucco

Sorry -
I derailed the conversation with my NHR reply...
See, around my area, (Washington DC) there are a LOT of service bands 
men and women.  A large portion of them are Marines (United States 
Marine Corps - either from Quantico or 8th and I/President's Own).  Of 
course, the reason I made that comment - having a bona fide Marine in 
the section would certainly deter all but the densest of violists (is 
that redundant?) from striking back.


Cheers!
Jeremy

Lawrence Yates wrote:

What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know about our
"Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)


Cheers,


Lawrence

  

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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread Joe Scarpelli
We have an organization in the States that wear red hats too. But they are
(generally) elderly ladies from the South. J

 

Joe

 

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What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know about our

"Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
What are these "marine" things you keep going on about?  (I know about our
"Royal Marines" here in England - they have red hats)


Cheers,


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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread Conja Summerlin
:) That's because there's only one marine corps... :)

There are other marines but no other Corps.

Conja

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, William.S.Gross
wrote:

> While I have heard, "you and what army?" I've never heard "you and what
> Marine Corps."
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:33 PM, John Dutton  wrote:
>
>   Jeremy wrote:
>> Which is precisely why it's good to have a Marine horn player in the
>> section
>> with you!
>> ---
>>
>> You rang?
>> The Jack Attack!
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread William.S.Gross
While I have heard, "you and what army?" I've never heard "you and  
what Marine Corps."


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:33 PM, John Dutton  wrote:


Jeremy wrote:
Which is precisely why it's good to have a Marine horn player in the  
section

with you!
---

You rang?
The Jack Attack!
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[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

2009-06-01 Thread John Dutton
Jeremy wrote:
Which is precisely why it's good to have a Marine horn player in the section
with you!
---

You rang?
The Jack Attack!
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Re: [Hornlist] bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread David Goldberg
Very able analyses so far, with creative thoughts for acts of 
retribution designed to eliminate repetition of the untoward event.


It would be instructional to build an anecdotal record of such 
incidents, including contributory factors.  A veteran of many tight 
pits, I have been both bumper and bumpee from time to time, though 
almost never while playing.  Experience dictates that it is best to 
avoid moving about - emptying your horn, for instance -  while the 
person next to you is working.  But perhaps experiencing this kind of 
incident is how some folks get the experience and raise their consciousness.


So:
- emptying your horn
- adjusting your chair
- turning a page
- checking your cell phone
- wiggling into the pit late, after the playing begins
- turning around to tell the trumpet player behind you to stop rattling 
his valves
- getting hit by a trombone slide (not kidding - it happened, while I 
was playing)

- ?

David G

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Re: [Hornlist] bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread Jeremy Cucco
Which is precisely why it's good to have a Marine horn player in the  
section with you!




On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:05 AM, daniel.canaru...@unifi.it wrote:


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...

And don't forget, if you smack him in the mouth hard enough,  
there's a good

chance that you won't see him again anyway!


But there's also a good chance that he'll smack you in the mouth  
even harder...

:-(

Daniel

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Re: [Hornlist] bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread daniel . canarutto

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...

And don't forget, if you smack him in the mouth hard enough, there's a good
chance that you won't see him again anyway!


But there's also a good chance that he'll smack you in the mouth even  
harder...

:-(

Daniel

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Re: [Hornlist] bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
Hi Martin,

Yes, I was joking, but as Dave said, "Hitting a horn, or a wind
player while the instrument is on the chops, is a serious, serious thing." -
you can't do it and people who do have be taught in the strongest possible
terms that it's not acceptable, you've got to be more careful.

And don't forget, if you smack him in the mouth hard enough, there's a good
chance that you won't see him again anyway!

Cheers,

Lawrence

2009/6/1 Martin Bender 

> Hello Lawrence,
>
> I concur with your approach with the following small modification:
>
> Smack him in the mouth-- twice.
>
> Once for payback, the second time for education.
>
> Shouldn't be a problem after that.
>
> Sincerely,
> martin bender
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1-Jun-09, at 8:23 AM, Lawrence Yates wrote:
>
>  Whenever this happens, try to keep your cool - don't resort to bad
>> language
>> or angry comments, just turn round and smack him in the mouth. He may
>> learn
>> to be more careful next time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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Re: [Hornlist] bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread Martin Bender

Hello Lawrence,

I concur with your approach with the following small modification:

Smack him in the mouth-- twice.

Once for payback, the second time for education.

Shouldn't be a problem after that.

Sincerely,
martin bender




On 1-Jun-09, at 8:23 AM, Lawrence Yates wrote:

Whenever this happens, try to keep your cool - don't resort to bad  
language
or angry comments, just turn round and smack him in the mouth. He  
may learn

to be more careful next time.

Cheers,

Lawrence
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Re: [Hornlist] bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread Lawrence Yates
Whenever this happens, try to keep your cool - don't resort to bad language
or angry comments, just turn round and smack him in the mouth. He may learn
to be more careful next time.

Cheers,

Lawrence
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[Hornlist] bumping section mates

2009-06-01 Thread Brass Arts Unlimited
>> I can't remember the last time I was bumped by a section mate, and I have
no recollection of ever bumping someone. So a few nights ago, warming up, I
feel this jolt to my face, and its the horn player to my right, just
casually bumping me when I have the horn on my face. WTF !!<<

I can't tell you the number of times I've been bumped, but never in a
"serious" group.  In some settings, it's almost inevitable, such as in
marching band or corps.  In a pit, in cramped quarters, it's highly likely.
But in a good sized rehearsal room or on a stage, everyone should take care
and no accidents should happen.  I've never had a chipped tooth, but have
had a seriously impaired embouchure, and sore gums and teeth.  Really, would
one step on a bow and just say "sorry"?  Would one close a door on a
percussionist's hand and expect to brush it off?  Hitting a horn, or a wind
player while the instrument is on the chops, is a serious, serious thing.

-- 
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Dave Weiner
Brass Arts Unlimited
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Re: [Hornlist] Playing under a ceiling fan-not too hornrelated

2009-06-01 Thread daniel . canarutto
Sorry, I should have written more precisely: pure theoretical  
deduction only works in very special cases. That's just because taking  
into account all possible effects is usually too complicate. But I do  
think that theory is necessary.


Daniel

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That's right, it works in practice but would never stand up in theory.

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..ouch, my brain hurts.


Don't worry so much. The possible causes affecting any real physical
phaenomenon are infinite. One of the main tasks of the physicist, not at all
a trivial one, is exactly that of discerning what is really important.
Usually, only a regular confrontation with practical experiments can help
decision. Pure theory only works in very special cases.

Daniel
mathematical physicists & dedicated amateur hornist


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RE: [Hornlist] Re: 4. Re: Playing under a ceiling fan-not too hornrelated

2009-06-01 Thread Bill Gross
That's right, it works in practice but would never stand up in theory.  

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> 
> ..ouch, my brain hurts.

Don't worry so much. The possible causes affecting any real physical
phaenomenon are infinite. One of the main tasks of the physicist, not at all
a trivial one, is exactly that of discerning what is really important.
Usually, only a regular confrontation with practical experiments can help
decision. Pure theory only works in very special cases.

Daniel
mathematical physicists & dedicated amateur hornist

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Re: [Hornlist] Re: 4. Re: Playing under a ceiling fan-not too horn related

2009-06-01 Thread daniel . canarutto

- Message from simonvar...@gmail.com -



..ouch, my brain hurts.


Don't worry so much. The possible causes affecting any real physical  
phaenomenon are infinite. One of the main tasks of the physicist, not  
at all a trivial one, is exactly that of discerning what is really  
important. Usually, only a regular confrontation with practical  
experiments can help decision. Pure theory only works in very special  
cases.


Daniel
mathematical physicists & dedicated amateur hornist

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