Re: [Hornlist] Re: Work(s) in progress
Oh, and the Brahms Horn Trio coming up in June... - Original Message - From: "Dave Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Work(s) in progress Orchestra #1 Rachmaninoff - Symphonic Dances (love it!) Schumann - Konzertstuck for Four Horns Upcoming: Mahler - Symphony #9 Orchestra #2 Current: Prokofieff - Classical Symphony Brahms - Piano Concerto #1 Upcoming: Dvorak - Symphony #7 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Work(s) in progress
Orchestra #1 Rachmaninoff - Symphonic Dances (love it!) Schumann - Konzertstuck for Four Horns Upcoming: Mahler - Symphony #9 Orchestra #2 Current: Prokofieff - Classical Symphony Brahms - Piano Concerto #1 Upcoming: Dvorak - Symphony #7 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Digital Recording Devices
Sony has come out with a new series of minidisc recorders that take mic input (the latest do not, though the early ones did). I believe they are the 800/900 series devices, and sell from $200-300. Of course, you'll have to buy a mic, too. There are some good ones out there for under $100. - Original Message - From: "Carolyn Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Digital Recording Devices > I'm looking into buying some type of digital recording device that I could use to tape lessons, concerts, etc... It would be really nice to find something that isn't too expensive, but still produces a quality recording (i.e. I don't want to sound like I am under water) Any suggestions? Bonus points if it has some type of Mp3 or mini disc player in it (like an ipod or something). > Thanks, > Carrie > > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Playing a trombone
I would find having two different sizes of mouthpiece on the embouchure makes buzzing the correct notes very difficult. Furthermore, you can simply hold up both instruments and that's about it. You can do the fingerings on the horn, but you don't have a free hand for in the bell. Since you don't have a free hand, you can't use the slide on the trombone. I'd say it's probably not going to work well, but if you can pull it off, more power to ya. ;-) - Original Message - From: "blackjack_ cajun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Playing a trombone > Hi all, > can some of you share some insights on playing a trombone and horn at the > same time? > what do you guys think? > regards, > Jon > > _ > Fast. Clear. Easy. The new MSN Search. http://search.msn.com.sg/ > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hetman Sythetic Oils?
Dillon Music has Hetman lubricants also... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Hetman Sythetic Oils? > I've been looking around for the Hetman Synthetic oils and I can no longer > find them on Osmun.com. I need to re-stock my reserves. > > Does anyone know where to get them? Or perhaps do the good folks at Osmun > still have a supply left? > > Thanks! > > -WIlliam > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Finke Horns
Interesting horns, Sandra. I have played most of them, including their triple horn (their rep in Arizona visits us occasionally to play quartets). - Original Message - From: "SANDRA CLARK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Finke Horns > I'm interested in playing a Finke horn (or 2 or 3!) in order to know whether I'd like to buy one. If anyone is within 2 hours of Toledo Ohio and would be willing to let me play your horns for a few moments, please contact me off list. > > Thanks! > > Sandra Clark > Co-Principal Horn > Toledo Symphony > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horns for Middle School
> That's not what these people are saying > at all, the people back then were using the resources they had, as they are > now. It is just generally more accepted that it is fundamentally better for a > student to learn on a single F over a single Bb. While there are some > advantages to playing a Bb, they are mostly for advanced players to get a slight edge > on playing fast licks and for note accuracy. Eventually the student will move > to a double horn. Why should that pose as more of a challenge? A student > should feel like he is improving his playing by switching to a double, not > hindering it because now he has to be annoyed by the F side. Learn the hard way > first. It will make it easier in the long run. I understand what you're saying, however I don't agree that most of the advantage is for the advanced player on the Bb side. With the partials further apart, it would make it less "slippery" for a beginning student. The frustration factor is a real one, though I agree that from a pure sense it is best to go with the F horn. The reason I took things to the nth degree with the argument is to show the inherent fallacy of it. If you use the argument in a different way, you should learn to walk a tightrope without a balance bar first. This way, it'll be much easier when you add the bar... I believe the original suggestion for Bb horns were for weight, etc. I know that some manufacturers make compact F horns for smaller students. This is all fine and good, but it's for the buyer or teacher to decide. My point, which obviously got lost here, is that it won't matter what horn you play on as long as you're schooled on proper technique. Is the single F a better choice? Probably. Is a single Bb all that bad? Probably not. That's all I'm saying. The way some people reacted, you'd think Bb horns were radioactive. If that's really the case, then why do most all advanced players have and use them in their double horns??? I'm sure you'll find plenty of excellent players who got their start on Bb horns. It's certainly not a death sentence to future success. Let's not treat it as such. Of course, you'll probably find the same extreme reactions in the Kruspe/Geyer wrap argument. :-) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horns for Middle School
- Original Message - From: "Jeremy Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Never, ever, ever buy single Bb horns for your students. If anyone says that > the difference in sound and technique doesn't make a difference, then they > are missing the point of the instrument. > > Jeremy Hansen I would have to disagree with you on this. If one uses a separate technique play Bb horn as opposed to F horn, then they are missing the point. Following this same thought process, is the Eb horn bad, too? Or is there a magical quality about Horn in F? I doubt that in the early days of natural horns, teachers would have insisted on beginners playing on the F crook only. Plus, you change the inherent pitch base of the horn every time you depress a valve... So should students play all notes open??? I can see that you might find the longer horn and closer partials as something a student should battle through, but I don't see what the big "Bb" deal is. Many times in a middle school situation, your horn players are trumpet converts and the key of the horn makes the transition easier. Obviously, an outstanding player should be transitioned to a double horn anyway, so you're going to have access to the Bb instrument regardless. You're taking a purist's view of the situation, and I can understand that, but good teaching will minimize any perceived downside to the Bb horn, IMHO. Dave Tuttle Principal Horn, Mojave Desert Hootenanny Ensemble & Modern Music Consort ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha model#s
I owned a 663, and it was engraved on the leadpipe right next to the receiver, just like the 766 I owned. Nothing like consistency, I guess... - Original Message - From: "Steven Tarter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Yamaha model#s > Someone asked where on the horn to find Yamaha model numbers. > > Someone else answered that the mosel number is stamped on the leadpipe. > > Here are some alternate spots, based on four actual Yamaha horns owned by > the school where I teach. > > Yamaha YHR-661 -- engraved on the bell, but half obscured by the factory > installed bell ring of this screw-bell (screw ball) model. > > Yamaha YHR-662 -- stenciled on the bell with brown enamel paint (nearly worn > off now). > > Yamaha YHR-663 -- (I could not physically check this one as the student has > it home to practice; I took the model number off the inventory list). > > (BTW, the above three are all variations on a Kruspe wrap F-Bb full double). > > Yamaha YHR-314 -- on a small plate along with the serial number on the > bottom of the bracket which holds the three valve levers. This one is a > single F. > > Note that NONE of them have anything on the leadpipe. > > Steve Tarter > Tokyo, Japan > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wierd instruments
Get rid of it the old fashioned way...burn it. - Original Message - From: "SANDRA CLARK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Wierd instruments > Yes - get it out - quick! > > - Original Message - > From: Scott Hartman > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:58 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Wierd instruments > > Hi Sandra and friends, > > Thanks for the info on what must be some sort of marching bugle. > That's what I had guessed too, but I knew there were people on this > list who knew so much more about it than me. > > Now I can get it out of my living room! > > scottito > -- > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sclark9988%40msn.com > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Booze
No, but I've tried pouring Scotch down a sluggish horn player. It didn't help things short term, but only harmed the recipient the following A.M.. Well, at least they thought things went better... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Booze > Hornfolk,I have been advised to pour Scotch (booze) down into a sluggish valve. Anyone ever try this,and would it harm the horn? Did it work? Comments,please! > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: NHR
Maybe all those wishing to discuss topics that don't remotely relate to horn playing could "self filter" and not post to the list. If someone starts something, respond privately to the person and you can talk endlessly about whatever the hell you want. I think we all get enough spam already without having our server space filled with any more unwanted messages. Geez, people, we can argue for years about mouthpieces, horns, music and salty food's effect on the lips without having to drag political and philisophical discussions into the mix. Perhaps a second (NHR) list should be set up for those who want to discuss world affairs with "only hornists"? I, for one, don't see any good reason why the majority should have to filter and delete messages just to amuse a few. Those who wish to talk NHR should take the discussions off-list. It's the courteous thing to do... - Original Message - From: "Chris Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > NHR pops up on both lists. Perhaps you could set up a filter to ... uh filter > out "NHR" from your inbox? A good portion of us are on both lists anyway. > > Chris ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Atom Bombing and NHR
I second the motion. The blatant disregard for the MULTIPLE requests over the past months to stay on topic has grown to unacceptable levels. I'd just ask that those wishing to carry on political discussions do so in a proper forum. And, I encourage you to e-mail the horn list with the location of said forum, so that those who enjoy discussing these topics can do so in an unfettered manner. This is a HORN list, not an ATOM BOMB list... - Original Message - From: "Mark Thornton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:46 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Atom Bombing and NHR > While Dan has stated this very wellthe discussions of Non Horn Related topics > has driven many away to the "other Horn list". I for one, will be joining them. > Any time we get "off topic", Prof Pizka has his views..and so do others. Even > though we have been constantly "reminded", the message just has not gotten > through. Maybe it's time someone offered to "moderate" this list. > > Mark Thornton > Providence, RI > > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cryogenics
Perhaps in certain cases it would be better to cryogenically treat the player, not the horn? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] MR. Becker Geryer/Kruspe
I have played a Patterson 8D conversion that had been fitted with a 9D bell. I found it to be a better suited horn for my preference and taste. More compact in sound and response, without loss of the 8D character. It's worth looking into, if you're so inclined. - Original Message - From: "Herbert Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Leonard & Peggy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] MR. Becker Geryer/Kruspe > I'm a very smart person who knows very little about horns, so I'll give you an > answer :-) If you performed the experiment, the two horns would be different, > but an Analysis Of Variance would show that the difference between the horns > would be same as the difference between two horns of the same wrap, with a > confidence of 90%. Also, the difference would be much smaller than the > difference between two players. Of course the sample size would have to be a > half-dozen or so of each wrap. > > There are some objective non-playing differences. Because of the location of > the change valve, Knopf-Geyer horns have a longer tuning slide. This makes it > possible to tune to a wider range of oboe players and temperatures. I find it > awkward to use the thumb valve on many, but not all Knopf-Geyer horns. The > motion is not down, but at an angle. But then I have little trouble with the > Schmidt type piston valve. > > The Conn 9D is a medium throat version of the 8D. Anyone have any experience > withe the 9D? > > Herb Foster > --- Leonard & Peggy Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >... > > Jim, > > A question I have put out to some very smart people and have never > > gotten an answer. If you started 2 identical bells, 2 identical leadpipes, > > a mass of pipe of the same bore, and built a Geyer wrap and a Kruspe wrap > > what would be the difference in playing characteristics between them? > > > > Leonard Brown > > > > ___ > > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Oil troubles
Try the Hetman synthetic oil. I had a Yamaha with a notoriously sluggish first valve that cleared right up with it. It's worth a try, and I had good results... - Original Message - From: "William Foss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Oil troubles > Hello. I am having a problem with the valves of my new Holton 281. They are > stiff when I get the horn out of the case to play the valves are stiff and > slow. I oil them, and go on playing my normal practice for about an hour or > so and when i finish I empty water and then I take it apart and put it back > in the case. When i go to play the horn again the next day, I find that the > valves are still stiff, so I oil again. I tried three different oils (Fat > Cat, Al Cass, and Holton Rotary Oil) over the last few weeks and the only > one that lets the valves move freely after one day is the Holton Oil. The > oil works well, but the problem with it is that it is coming out of the bell > in large amounts. I oiled the horn yesterday and today the valves are great, > but over those two days oil had been coming out of the bell. I'm not sure > what I can or should do about the problem, other than wiping out the bell > when I feel oil in there. Is there anything I can do, short of searching the > Middle East for a suitable oil? > > William Foss > (with apologies to anyone who found that middle east joke a little bit > crude)(ha ha ha) > > _ > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tuning question
It isn't for tuning the orchestra to the horns??? - Original Message - From: "Loren Mayhew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Tuning question >I thought the whole purpose of "tuning the orchestra" was to tune the > oboe to the orchestra! :-) > > Loren Mayhew > \@() > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (520) 403-6897 > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] WHO PLAYED WHAT
He may very well have, but the Hoyer/Heritage looks just like an 8D, with the exception of the valve caps and some of the valve key linkages. So perhaps he didn't? Who knows... - Original Message - From: "Wilbert Kimple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] WHO PLAYED WHAT > > Mr. Bloom is listed as a design consultant for > Hoyer horns on their materials, yet he played an 8D > on his Indiana University Concert. > > Wilbert in SC > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] What up???
Apologies to all, that should have been off-list... ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] What up???
Hey, Karen. How ya doin'? Find a new gig yet? And how are things coming for AIR Horns 2004? And have you seen Thomas Bacon recently? I'd like to get in touch with him regarding a possible lesson or two sometime, if he does those kinds of things these days... Hope you are well. Best regards, Dave (and Lisa) Tuttle - Original Message - From: "Karen McGale Fiehler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] dull season > I'm here, but I have all my wisdom teeth. ;-) > > karen > > ** > Dr. Karen McGale Fiehler > http://www.hornplanet.com/hornpage/miss_karen/main.asp > > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) > >Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [Hornlist] dull season > >Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:06:33 +0200 > > > >It is dull season on the horn list, is´t it ? Makes me wonder, if there > >are some members left but very few, using their privately owned PC from > >home to get into the internet. > > > >Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 > >D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany > >Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 > >home: www.pizka.de > >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >___ > >post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >set your options at > >http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/mistress_karen%40hotmail.com > > _ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Standley routine
It is published by Southern Music. You can get it from the following: www.opus-two.com , or from Southern Music directly at www.southernmusic.com/ . - Original Message - From: "John Kowalchuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Standley routine > Can anybody tell me who recently published the Forrest Standley practice > routine? Where can I get a copy? > > John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes > Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 > > Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The Naming of Horns
IROTFLMAO! - Original Message - From: "Baucom, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] The Naming of Horns > I call my horn "Hans", because when we disagree it always has the last word, > and is often a pain in the ass... > > Fred > > > > -Original Message- > From: Wilbert Kimple [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] The Naming of Horns > > > > My wife's 8D is named "Sig," short for you know > who. > > I've named a couple of my horns in the past, but my > two current horns are both nameless, except for > Yamaha and Alexander. > > Wilbert in SC > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fred_baucom%40calpers.ca.gov > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Requiem (NHR)....(C Renfro) NHR very short
Blah, blah, blah... Just be glad that you don't live in Iraq, and have a problem with the way Saddam is running his country. You would have been (literally) "cut off" a long time ago. There's no such thing as complete freedom in this world, and I would take our version over any other country's any day of the week. The only denial that's going on here is YOU, denying us the enjoyment of sharing in common passion for the horn by injecting your opinion of NHR topics where it doesn't belong. BTW, do you really think you're going to change any minds here? Either you're simply a fool, or an angry, American-hating, obnoxious person "getting off" on trolling a list that purports to talk about THE HORN, not THE WAR. Many have asked nicely, not so nicely, directly and indirectly, logically and emotionally, and YOU STILL DON"T GET IT. I call on the moderator to end this problem now. I do recall the moderator making a plea in this regard a few weeks ago, and true to form you have completely ignored it. I suggest you try and salvage what little respect you may have left from many of us and take a hint. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to continually shove it up our a$$. How pathetic... - Original Message - From: "Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Requiem (NHR)(C Renfro) NHR very short > How often should I state again, that this kind of messages has nothing > to do with the American people, but with the political leadership. - > Remark: I receive 450 TV stations to chose from, but the worst are > those, who MAKE money from reporting from misery. You have the wrong > nationalism & you deny other people their nationalism. > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn
Thanks! Looks interesting. - Original Message - From: "Carlberg Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > May I suggest checking out: > > Nigel Downing > Singing on the Wind > http://www.hornweb.ch > > It is a thought provoking book, available free as a PDF file, well worth > the download. I would recommend downloading the entire book at once, rather > than chapter by chapter, since then it is all in one file. It is in English. > > Regards, > > Carlberg Jones > Colima, Col., Mexico > Tel. 001-52-312-330-3531 > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn
Or you can get it at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0942782003/inktomi-bkasin-20/002-8967 097-9576027 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > > An interesting book about musical phrasing is "NOTE GROUPING" A Method for > Achieving Expression and Style in Musical Performance - written by James > Morgan Thurmond. > > You might be able to find this book at a college or university that has a > music school. > > Jay Kosta > Endwell NY USA > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn
Hey Hans, Could you elaborate on what you mean by breathing "up-beat-wise"? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying on that. Thanks... - Original Message - From: "Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > This is not a specific technique, as so many advices are misunderstood > as they are taken wordly. > > Singing through the horn means articulating as if one were singing. One > cannot sing with nearly closed mouth, right ? It would be humming not > singing. So keep the throat open. > > Sing the melody without the horn, breath "up-beat-wise". Keep this > experience including the so found phrasings, "transpose" it to the horn > & play the same melody on the horn "if you were singing". That´s all. > > Try it & watch yourself. > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im > Auftrag von Timothy A. Johnson > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 16:26 > An: 'The Horn List' > Betreff: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > > OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." > Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific > technique, or more a matter of state of mind? > > Thanks, > > Timothy A. Johnson > Information Technologies > Northwestern College > St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://tajohnson.org > > -Original Message- > From: John Dutton > Sent: Wednesday, 12 March, 2003 5:31 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8 > > > That's a good question Hans! I speak quite a bit about Schantl and > singing > through the horn as well but I haven't mentioned that lately I guess and > it > didn't seem pertinent to the question asked;-). My students are even > now > learning the joys of Bordogni! However, a few tricks in the bag are nice > > too. > > The Jack Attack! > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn
On this subject, is there someone out there in possession of the second issue of the Horn Call? It contains an article by Earl Saxton (a former teacher of mine) relative to "singing through the horn". His perspective on the subject was useful to me (and still is), and the copy he'd provided to me back when I studied with him has long since been misplaced... If someone could e-mail (PDF), snail mail or fax it to me, I'd be most appreciative. Please contact me off-list. Thanks in advance, Dave Tuttle - Original Message - From: "Timothy A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." > Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific > technique, or more a matter of state of mind? > > Thanks, > > Timothy A. Johnson > Information Technologies > Northwestern College > St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://tajohnson.org > > -Original Message- > From: John Dutton > Sent: Wednesday, 12 March, 2003 5:31 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8 > > > That's a good question Hans! I speak quite a bit about Schantl and > singing > through the horn as well but I haven't mentioned that lately I guess and > it > didn't seem pertinent to the question asked;-). My students are even > now > learning the joys of Bordogni! However, a few tricks in the bag are nice > > too. > > The Jack Attack! > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR yet strangely HR
And let's keep the discussions limited to the real weapons of mass destruction, like oboes, saxaphones and conductors... - Original Message - From: "Joshua Cheuvront" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NHR yet strangely HR > > > Thank you Sgt. Dutton for injecting some sense into the fray. Althought I > don't know the exact number, I'm sure we have many former and current > enlisted men and women who are a part of this list. There is absolutely NO > REASON why they, or any of the rest of us should have to put up with this > kind of childish misuse of the list. I'm sure someone on the list will have > something to say about their "Freedom of Speech". With great freedom comes > great responsibility. This has nothing to do with anyone's freedom, and > everything to do with consideration of others. There are literally > thousands of other more appropriate forums in which to discuss "NHR" > topics You've found a way to gaurauntee a perfect Till call every time? > Great, let's hear about it. You've got a problem with the political state > of the world? I couldn't possibly care less. Its like going to the music > store and having the salesperson try to sell me auto parts. No offense, but > I'd rather get those at an auto parts store. I'm tired of finding 4 or 5 > horn related posts and 30 NHR posts waiting in my inbox. Let's get back to > the world of sailing the high "C's" and whether or not its a good idea to > put your horn in the dishwasher for cleaning (that was the first thread I > ever received on the list when I joined 9 years ago, funniest thing I'd ever > heard), otherwise we'll lose half of our membership and the list will lose > so much valuable insight and experience. > > Joshua D. Cheuvront > 3rd Horn, Perrysburg Symphony Orchestra > Grand Lake Brass > > Original Message Follows > From: "John Dutton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Hornlist] NHR yet strangely HR > Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:00:32 -0700 > > > > > > "For those who fight for it, freedom has a taste the rest of the world will > never know." - inscription found upon an ammo can at Khe Sahn 1968 > > Those who have not studied military history should not rashly make > comparisons to Viet Nam. Only broad generalizations are being made on this > list about items that are NHR. There are many venues to express ones > opinion and it seems that there is no discretion for some in choosing those > venues. I have studied world history and military history and have served. > Do not talk out of the side of the mouth about things that are not factual > as if they were. I had thought we on the list had achieved a truce > regarding this matter. Evidently this is incorrect. That is a shame. It > is tragic that this energy can not rather be spent in effectual > communication with congress persons to change policies that are abhorent > rather than constantly presenting a barrage of NHR postings to what should > be a means of communication for the horn community about HR subjects. > Shame. I do not ask anyone to agree with my opinions and in fact have not > offered them here. Many of you will no doubt assume that I am in agreement > with the President because of this posting. Am I? How do you know? And do > you really care? It is irrelevant to the purpose of this list whether yea > or nay. If you want my opinion I am perfectly willing to give it-privately. > Running of the mouth because one can does not accomplish anything. > Individuals for whom I normally have great respect are getting sucked into > this trend. Please rethink what the purpose of this list is for. > > Sergeant John Dutton, > United States Marine Corps > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornpreux%40hotmail.com > > > _ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR
Barbara, I'd have to take issue with your viewpoint on this. You don't find labeling the defense secretary and the president as "warmongers", questioning the president's intelligence level and implying that the evidence presented to the UN was falsified to be rude or disrespectful? I'd read all of the thread messages again... Not to mention that members (on both sides of the issue) got a little testy and insulting with each other as well. The entire "discussion" (yeah, right) got started with rude ad hominem attacks, and the tone was maintained or even escalated. It seems that you have the opinion that individuals on the other side of the issue from you haven't "exercised their heritage" or "gently but firmly questioned" the administration's position on this issue. I think you'd find that most of the people in support of the administration don't do so blindly, and have given due consideration to the thought process and evidence supporting this effort. I'd hope that people on both sides of this would trust that the others have made this type of effort, before making up their minds or impugning their judgement and patriotism. As stated fairly clearly, I just don't think that this is the appropriate forum for this type of discussion. I dont' know about you, but for me horn playing is a stress reliever and a soothing balm for the worries of the day. I'd like to be able to come home, crank up the horn list, read and converse about the horn. As also stated previously, these NHR subjects have a chilling effect. Instead of Hans, et al sharing their wisdom on HR subjects, they're having a food fight about world conflict! It lessens the viability and effectiveness of the list. Jeez, if I wanted to hear that kind of stuff, I'd just flip on one of the wonk-fests on CNN or Fox... Let's just move on. I think Hans has made his peace with this thing, and we all should as well. Everyone should just agree to disagree and get back to what this list is all about. The integrity of the horn list is at stake. Happy Valentines to you too. "Just say no to SCUDS" - Original Message - From: "Barbara Burt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 5:10 AM Subject: [Hornlist] NHR > The United States of America was founded on the ideals of free speech > and public expression of the questioning of power. I haven't read > anything on the horn list (and have hardly heard anything spoken by any > of my compatriots who oppose, or at least question, the > administration's strategy) that would qualify as rude or disrespectful. > > Yet we who exercise our heritage, who gently but firmly question, ARE > responded to with rude ad hominem attacks by those folks whose minds > are made up. Our comments are not met with respect; we are labeled > traitors simply for voicing them. > > The day that a question become dangerous is the day that we are no > longer Americans. The only way to overcome this unraveling of our > rights is to continue speaking out, with passion, and with love for our > compatriots and for all the people of the world. > > Happy Valentines Day. Spread the love! > > And keep asking those questions. > > Barbara > > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: NHR: war-related "polls"
And I agree with you 100% on every bit of what you said. Thanks... - Original Message - From: "Howard Sanner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: NHR: war-related "polls" > Robert Ward wrote: > > > > Regardless of our individual views, I think it now time to remove this > > discussion from the Horn List. I hope that the list administrator will > > take that position as well. > > I couldn't agree more. Much as I appreciate how generously so > many share their knowledge of horn playing and music, I don't > care what any list subscriber's opinion is on any political > topic. Not a single one. > > Howard Sanner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > who has plenty of personal experience putting the > kibbosh OT mailing list threads. > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: NHR: war-related "polls"
I couldn't agree more. - Original Message - From: "Robert Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: NHR: war-related "polls" > Regardless of our individual views, I think it now time to remove this > discussion from the Horn List. I hope that the list administrator will > take that position as well. > > Bob > > > > Bob Ward > Acting Principal Horn > San Francisco Symphony > http://home.earthlink.net/~rnward > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR: war-related "polls"
Well, I have to add my support to what Bill Gross has to say. My political views are really immaterial to the subject. Bottom line is that it's a horn list, not a political discussion list. If Hans and others want to discuss this situation ad infinitum, which seems to be true, a new list can easily be set up through Yahoo or another entity. I have noticed a corresponding, and not insignificant drop in horn-related discussion when these political topics are bandied about. I don't believe it's coincidence, either. It has a chilling effect on the camaraderie and common ground we all find in our wonderful instrument. Can't we just keep that commonality alive, rather than bring up extremely divisive and controversial NHR subjects? For many of us, this list exists as a haven of peace and shared passion in a complicated and hectic world. Could we please maintain the integrity of the list in that respect? I would like to make a plea that those who wish to discuss political issues and topics either create a new list or just keep their e-mails private with those who desire it. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but IMHO this topic has no business residing in our inboxes. It amounts to unwanted spam within the list itself. If I wanted to discuss Iraq and world issues, I'd go find a place to do it, not force feed it where it doesn't belong... Let's keep the NHR stuff to a minimum from now on. It's important to the effectiveness of the list that we remain true to the alleged subject. I think it's been requested in a few different ways by a few different people in the past couple of weeks, but it seems that the indirect approach hasn't gotten the point across. I trust that I've made it a little more clear in this message. Please have respect enough for the members of the list to heed this call. Thank you. - Original Message - From: "Bill Gross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NHR: war-related "polls" > I intend to leave the list because I hold strong opinions on this subject > which differ from other here. I don't feel I can sit by and read some of > the stuff that gets posted here, yet on the other hand, I don't want to > divert this list from it real purpose. By engaging in some of the wild > stuff here it would just continue to disrupt proceeding. Hopefully, you all > can get back to the French Horn > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR Colin Powell
Anne, Powell's son (Michael) has been the head of the FCC for some time now (5-6 years), predating any shift in Colin's position. So if you're looking for a conspiracy relative to his change of tune, there isn't one there. It seems to be a bit of a sport to read all kinds of intrigue and conspiracy into everything these days... I do take a bit of issue with those of you who characterize anyone who wants to do something about the Iraq problem as "warhawks", "pompous clowns", etc. Just because one doesn't want to do nothing about a problem doesn't mean that they aren't thoughtful in terms of engaging in conflict. If you're not against war doesn't automatically mean that you're for it. Personally, I don't want war any more than anyone else, but there is too much evidence that Iraq is complicit in terrorism. That someone "could" fabricate evidence with a computer doesn't automatically mean that they did so. I don't know how many times Saddam has to gas his own people or flout UN inspectionsb before the peaceniks realize that he's not going to go peacefully, or turn over his weapons. And for those who think "we're going it alone", Iraq has been in blatant violation of UN treaties ever since the gulf war ended. That the UN won't enforce its own "mandates" makes it an irrelevant and toothless body. Frankly, I think it's a bit ridiculous that this entire subject has been brought up in this forum. While NHR issues are welcome, I think the old axiom that it's best to not talk religion or politics in certain forums should apply. I wouldn't want to be on a politics site and have pundits chatting up horns and horn playing, if you know what I mean. Just my two cents worth, of course... - Original Message - From: "Anne Megenity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: [Hornlist] NHR Colin Powell > >I shared Fred Baucom's admiration of Colin Powell when the subject of > Iraq came up originally, as his seemed to be the only voice of reason in a > nest of Warhawks. Then recently he appeared to join the general > administration line and I wondered what had changed. > Not long after that, I read something in a magazine which perhaps someone > can prove true or not, which was that a son of Mr. Powell had been given a > high-paying government job as head of some department in Washington. Now I'm > sorry I didn't take notes on the magazine or source but thought it would > appear elsewhere,but if it has,I haven't seen it If true,this is extremely > disappointing to me. Anyone? > > > > > _ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] NHR Europeans
My dear Hans, Can't you see what all of this is about? It's all about OIL... Valve oil. And lots of it. America's just looking to control the world supply of valve oil, driving the prices up and bankrupting the rest of the world in the process. It's a conspiracy hatched by the cigarette smoking man, American horn manufacturers and the Rotary Club. If I were you, I'd stock up so that you won't be "stuck" when this all comes to pass. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Question for Elkhart 8D junkies....
"They", as in Conn? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Question for Elkhart 8D junkies > So did anyone else go to NAMM last weekend and play (or hear about) the new > Classic Elkhart 8D's they're doing? It was GREAT! > (M series). > They say it will debut at the IHS symposium this summer. > Sonja Reynolds > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Hearing protection
Howard Sanner wrote: A friend who plays in a rock band wisely has a set of the latter. I > don't know where he got them made. I believe his major complaint > with them is that they tend to push ear wax down in the ear > canals and thus he has stopped up ears more frequently than > before he got them. I'd say depending on the type of rock band, that could be a good thing... ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Opporknockety Tunes But Once
You've got my vote... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Opporknockety Tunes But Once > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:39:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Wow! Wonder when they'll make self-tuning oboes... > > > > I'm for putting frets on all stringed instruments > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Opporknockety Tunes But Once
Wow! Wonder when they'll make self-tuning oboes... - Original Message - From: "Alan Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Opporknockety Tunes But Once > Are you ready for a self-tuning piano? Check out... > > http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=185807 6 > > -- AC. > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun)
Hans, I think you're picking a fight where there isn't one. Or maybe you're just looking for one. I don't think Dave meant anything by the "Made in Japan" other than to make exactly the point you made in the following sentence. You then go on to make fun of his comments relative to price on parts as opposed to finished instruments. His basic point was that labor is a substantial cost factor in the production of instruments, and the more of it that's done here in the US, the less it's hit by tariffs. While I respect your comments relative to horn playing and acknowledge your substantial accomplishments, I wonder why you take such a confrontational attitude. I sometimes chalk it up to language and interpretation, and this is probably true in many cases. However, the knack you have for reading things in to what people have to say, and creating and/or sustaining arguments that don't exist, makes me wonder where you're coming from... - Original Message - From: "Prof.Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Berlin Yamaha's (Osmun) > What are high quality parts & what are low quality parts ? What is the difference in the making process ? Are they produced or processed differently ? Please explain that regarding the single parts for brass instruments. Is there a difference in machining ? > > What are the prefabricated parts ? > > Bell section > valve slides & tuning slide & similar > valve sections (casing, bearing, rotor, wing, back screw, lid, stopper, buffer, horse shoe, linkage, linkage arm) > joints > lead pipe > case > > What´s the matter witzh "Made in Japan" ? Japanophobia ?? > And the import tariffs on horns would be 7%, not much, but on the full value of the horn, it would matter definitely. > > Relatively valueless parts ??? You are quite funny. Do you have any idea, how much the parts are ? (I know the prices) - And, who is making most of the money ? The producer or the dealer ? The same as in the CD market. > ... > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > In a message dated 11/24/2002 3:23:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > they do not have to have a "made in Japan" stamp on them, and > > are therefore not subject to tariffs. The tariffs on the relatively > > value-less parts are practically miniscule compared to tariffs on finished > > instruments. This definitely keeps the prices down. > > > > ___ > > Horn mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > > > > -- > Prof.Hans Pizka > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to > www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) > www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) > www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon > > mail is virus checked > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
