[Hornlist] Re: Hoyer 5802 CK
The 5802 has been on the market for many years, and this is the first time I've ever heard of it being systematically out of tune. I'm not doubting that it played sharp for Tina - but I think that making a blanket statement like Tina has is more subjective than objective. Every player is feels every horn differently. I've had great players come through the shop and had them tell me a horn was terrible, and then the next great player picks it up and buys it. It sounds to me like the 5802 isn't the right horn for Tina. Personally, I think the 5802 is a GREAT horn for the money. I'm writing this post both as a player, and as a person who sells MANY horns of all types. Ken Pope 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com message: 1 date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:55:25 -0400 from: Debbie Schmidt subject: Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK If this a Systemic design issue maybe the Hoyer folks should be talking replacement as opposed to longer slides Debbie Schmidt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Tina Barkan wrote: Yes, as far as I know all of the Hoyer folks at the show, including their engineer, played all of the PMAL's that were there and found them to be sharp. I know that the Hoyer engineer was on the phone with their factory in Germany immediately after he tested the horns so something is definitely amiss in Hoyerland. Tina 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] What to post or not...
I notice that hornplayer.net posts the recent listings of used horns every now and then on this newsgroup, and I was wondering if it is something that others of us should do as well? I just added 15 horns this week, but I've always kept away from 'advertising' per se on the newsgroups (even though these instruments all belong to other players). So, I'm curious about your thoughts on this! Sincerely Ken Pope 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] You Tube Horns a Plenty
My neighbor up the street had to do a video for a class project, and he chose my shop. It's very tongue in cheek, but y'all might enjoy it. Here's the link - or you can find it on the home page of my site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cL9fcykkQo Ken Pope 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Finding long lost horn
>> Long story. Short question. How do I go about instituting a serious search= for my original horn? Any advice deeply appreciated. As I said=2C I have= the original receipt with serial number << I was talking with a friend of mine who plays in the Cincinnati Symphony, and listening to him describe the best horn he ever let go... (a Paxman descant) - and suddenly realized that I had his 'lost love' of a horn in my shop currently for sale! He was very excited and had me send it right out to him. Ultimately, he said it was like an Ex Girlfriend saying that: 'over the years, he only remembered the good aspects of it, and had forgotten why he got rid of it in the first place' ;) In the end.. he sent it back! Ken Pope 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Ken Pope's Kool Aid (Jonathan West got it right!)
Greg,,, haven't you noticed? It's not Kool Aid... :) http://www.poperepair.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=23_54&products_id=1126 Seriously though, ask any repair technician which horn will be cleaner. A well oiled one, or a non-oiled one. You will find a consensus! Ken Pope <<>> 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Slide Grease and Valve Oil
Luke Zyla writes: "About oiling the valves. There are only two bearings on rotor valves.? The rotor surfaces do not touch the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve.? Adding oil inside the valve only creates a mess that must be cleaned out or diluted by adding more and more oil.? Start by removing the valves and clean them well.? Oil only the bearings upon reassembly.? Your valves will work quickly and need only very occasional oiling on the top and bottom bearings.? Heed Hans' advice and stop over oiling your valves. CORdially, Luke Zyla" Boy, Luke, I couldn't disagree with you more on your advice. To me, the oiling of your horn is less for the sake of providing lubrication on the thrust bearings, but more for PROTECTION from Red Rot. It is when the moisture comes in contact with the Zinc in the brass of your horn that the horn can become more susceptible to dezincification (red rot). A thin film of oil not only prevents this, but it also keeps your horn CLEAN. Of course, it's also a good idea to provide oil for all parts that come in conctact with each other, AND the film of oil will also create a better seal for your valves. If a player finds that their valves are getting slow - that typically is from the over use of the Linkage or Bearing oils (under the cap and by the bumpers). Hans' advice is to stop OVER oiling your valves - NOT to stop oiling them. But, Luke, your advice might be good for my business! :) Sincerely Ken Pope 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: WAM
Check out the YouTube video I posted on my site. An amazing violinist playing the Mozart 3rd concerto cadenza... utterly AMAZING! Ken Pope 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Take My Horn Ensemble Poll
I've just posted a Poll on my website http://www.poperepair.com asking which horn ensemble YOU all think is best. The contenders are: (in no particular order) The London Horns The Vienna Horns The Texas Horns The Berlin Horns Cast your votes! Ken 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] New London Horn CD's are HERE (finally!)
I don't think my last post made it through - but I just received a limited number of the New London Horn CDs called Give it One. Anyone who orders by the 20th will get them before Christmas! http://www.poperepair.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1219 Ken Pope 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:valve casings
Dawn wanted to know why Geyer wrap horns are more prone to valve casing accidents. The majority of the weight of the valve section on a Geyer Wrap horn is born by the tube tube that enters the 1st valve casing at the top, and the corresponding tube on the change valve. When the horn is dropped or jarred the valve casing will move, and either the soldering will break, or in a worst case scenario the ports push into the valve casing. I would NOT consider this a factor when buying a horn rather, just don't drop it! Sincerely Ken 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re Valves - Speed
There are many factors which can make valves rotate slowly, and bad compression typically isn't one of them. Here's a list of things which can slow your valves down. 1. Too much Bearing oil - if the bearing oil gets on the face of the valve - or if your regular rotor oil has dissolved your slide grease and IT has gotten on the face of the valve then it will work slowly. Repair: Flush with a light weight oil on All surfaces. 2. Valve bearings set too tight. (the top plate or the spindle bearings on the valves are too tightly fitted). Repair: Re-fit the bearings correctly (NOT a home job). 3. Rusted Lever Rod, or Levers not fit correctly. If the metal rod which passes through the Finger lever is damaged then it will either bind, or will turn with the lever - slowing it down. Repair: Clean the rod - or trim the lever tubes to fit. 4. Damage to the valve casing. If the valve casing has been torqued through some sort of damage (very typical in Geyer wrap horns on the 1st valve) then the casing can come into contact with the rotor. Repair: Round out the casing (NOT a home job) 5. Weak lever springs Repair - Replace the lever spring - or pull on the spring legs to tighten the spring. those are a few that I can think of off the top of my head. Sincerely Ken Pope 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com subject: [Hornlist] Valves - Speed I notice that one of the differences between my 1982-ish Yamaha 666 and my 1923 Conn 4D is the speed with which the valves seem to operate. In particular, the middle valve of my 4D seems slow. I couldn't quite figure it out until I tried to notice which notes seemed to have sloppy attacks, and I was able to trace it to switching the 2nd valve, either open to closed or vice versa. The 666 performs works well in all regards; its only problem is it operator. :) I'd appreciate a bit of an education, e.g., I've noticed that the compression on my first valve seems good, at least as evidenced by the resistance to removing or inserting the tuning slide - is there a connection between the poor compression on my 2nd valve and it feeling slow in use? And can this be fixed or at least made better by replacing the springs on the valve levers or is this indicative of a problem within the valve mechanism itself? Obvious, these questions would best be asked of a good repair person, and I will go that route for sure, but I am, in the meantime, just trying to educate myself a little bit as to why I'm getting the response I'm getting from my horn. Many thanks in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] tooting my own Horn....
IT'S DONE!! I'm just tooting my own horn here, I finally (3 years in the making) finished my first horn - so, Please stop by at the convention , try it out and tell me how much you love it.(or else..) Also, Ricco Kuhn has sent me is triple horn prototype - also wanting feedback/orders. Thanks all - see you in Bloomington. Ken "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] handguard for Yamaha 868
>>>Does anybody on this list have a Yamaha 868 with a handguard? If so, what kind is it and where did you get it? I recently ordered one from Osmun that was supposed to fit even though it was designed for the 668. It didn't even come close. All suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Caleb<<< I'm sure it was just a screw-up on their part - the handguards that I carry in my shop for the 668 and 868 are different model numbers. I'm sure they'll rectify the situation if you call them. Sincerely, Ken Pope "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Instruments Wanted
I'm in the process of repairing/rebuilding unwanted instruments and donating them to the local public school system here. (They have no instruments - and there is a freeze on the purchasing). If anyone has any instruments in their basements that are collecting dust (woodwind or brass) and would like to donate them I would be happy to give it the TLC needed it get it into the school systems. Thanks! Sincerely, Ken Pope "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] IHS Convention/beer & pizza
<> Your wish is my command. ;) I'm in the process of putting together a reception with a couple other vendors. Now, I just need the find a great pizza joint in the area to host it (any insiders with some suggestions?) Thanks Ken "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] IHS Convention
I just posted this to the other list too - I'm in the process of getting ready for the IHS convention early - and want input from other players as to what things they'd like to see shops like mine sell at these conventions. I'm open to plenty of suggestions! Thanks Ken Pope "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
Scott: I'm sure your can't get them new at that price - but there is always a plethora of them used in excellent condition - the same goes for the Holtons. I usually suggest that this level of horns (the starter doubles) should be purchased used - because you can get them at very discounted prices - and you will never lose money when it comes time to resell them assuming that they are treated well. I guess the best comparison would be buying a new car - vs. one with a few thousand miles - You save a bundle on the showroom smell Currently I sell used 667's and 668's for around 16-1800. Goodluck! >>I wasn't aware one could get 667s/668s for around $2000. Who is offering this price right now? (I'm Interested on behalf of my students.)>> Scott Pappal "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
As a technician/player I'd go with the Yamaha 667/668 or an earlier used model. The Holton 178/179's of course will always do fine. All of these models are tried and tested (unlike the Getzen). Good luck! Ken Pope "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Performance clothing
Someone asked about clothing interference while playing. I push my bell side sleeve up as far as it goes - exposing - gasp, arm skin during a concert. I'm sure it makes a difference!. Why waste that extra energy into the cloth - we're already playing an instrument that points the 'wrong' way. Ken P.S. Why not pass a law for the guys who decide we go to war - the first ones in battle are THEIR children. Perhaps they'll be less apt to rush into it. "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Detroit Symphony
I do know that Robert Fries played principal there either in the late fifties or early sixties - just before he was appointed co-principal in Philly. The Paray recordings of the Pavanne have Fries playing the solo. Ken Pope Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Geyer
I haven't looked at said horn yet (Beyer) but I have a customer who needs a new Beyer Gell. I figure it's gotta be worth at least 7-800 dollars. Pen Kope Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 *** ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Gig Bag Alert
David writes: <> The ideal situation would be to have the horn susupended or padded enough that the case absorbed the impact. Of course that would mean that the case would have to be quite large! To simply prop up the valves still means that the momentum will be absorbed somewhere! The case I have designed is a semi-hard shell - with the idea of absorbing the impact. (think: Palm tree in the wind...;) ) Ken Pope Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] RE: Gig Bag Alert
Lets talk about gig bag safety for a second... Jerry says: "they're repairman's friends" or something to that effect - and in a minor way he is correct. Typically if a gig bag falls off your shoulder - it'll dent - regardless of the quality. However - the kind of damage it sustains will be significantly different than if a hard shelled case falls the same distance. If a gig bag falls the bag will compress - often to the point of the horn tubing being dented - both of these actions absorb the impact. Unfortunately for the horn - it gets a nice big dent - BUT dents are repairable (thus the repairman's friend moniker) Now, if a hard shelled case falls - it'll stop dead - and all/most of the momentum is transferred to the horn inside. Hardshelled cases typically hold the horn very rigid in the case - if you shake the case there is no internal motion - thus when the case hits the ground the momentum is transferred to that part of the horn with the most mass: The Valves. So, when it hits the ground the damage is usually centered around the valve casing ports. So, where do you want that damage to occur? Dents in the bell section and perhaps the leadpipe Or to the valve casings? As a repairman and player (who has slipped on ice - and flattened the bottom of his horn right before and audition ((of course it wasn't in the case I now design :) ) I know that the valves are the heart of the horn. When they are damaged it is BIG bucks to fix them. Sincerely, Ken Pope "Just put your lips together and blow" Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Red Rot - Oil the Bore!!
Like Bob Osmun says: Oil the bore! Most players think that oiling is to keep the valve bearings moving smoothly with lubricant. In my opinion as a technician - it is even more important to oil the horn through the leadpipe, as Bob says, to keep the bore oiled. This will keep the horn from getting red-rot and will keep it nice and clean. Remember - it's easier to machine down a bearing on a valve to keep it from clanking (due to lack of external oiling) than to rebuild them (due to a lack of internal/bore oiling). In an ideal world all of you would do both... thus cutting down on my shop time. Here's to hoping you all don't get overly Nutcrackered out - or go on Strauss Waltz overload. Sincerely Ken Pope Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Case alternatives
Another very similar case to the Thompson case is the "Bags" brand case for detachable bell horns. Also made overseas... Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Bell sizes
I'll take Bob Ward's note one step further - not only do I like medium bell sizes for large orchestra (better and clearer projection --- for me...) but I like larger throated horns for chamber music because they produce a full beautiful sound at nearer proximities (i.e. smaller halls etc). I always remember what one of my teachers told me: If it sounds beautiful close by then it will probably sound like mush out in the hall! Having sat on the bell side of many hornists I really respect I can attest to the positive aspects of a 'bright' sound at bell side. Ken Pope Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
