Re: [Hornlist] solo beginnings - the list so far
Now that we have been very clever in finding these solos at the beginning, I wonder if we can turn it all backwards and see if can get some solo endings on a list. Per Ottar ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn in B flat or B natural?
In cases like this, it may be wise to check the key of the piece. Key and horn tuning usually have things in common. Per Ottar Den 18. mars. 2009 kl. 23.18 skrev Jonathan West: 2009/3/18 Valerie WELLS : I once played a piece that was Corno in B or Cor in B (not sure which). As it turned out, it was really horn in B flat, down a perfect fifth -- what a relief! I've now been given some parts of Mendelsshon's Elias Oratorium, Erster Theil. It's for Corno III, in B. I hope this means horn in B flat (down a perfect fifth) rather than horn in B natural (down an diminished fifth). Can anyone clarify this for me? Please respond to one of my email addresses below. I'm on digest & may not see the answer before the first rehearsal! The German for Bb is B. The German for B is H. Mendelssohn was German. You don't see parts for Horn in H very often. The only two pieces in standard repertoire where I recall seeing horn in H is the second movement of Brahms 2 (1st & 2nd horns) and a short passage in the 5th movement of Schumann's Rhenish symphony, in the 3rd & 4th parts. The first part of Elijah is definitely in the german B (i.e. in Bb) Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like what didn'tyou like?
This sounds like you just as well could have been attending a trumpet player's symposium. Not to mention your headaches in that case I didn't like the noise of 300 horn players playing every excerpt they knew triple forte on every horn they picked up. Shish, what a headache! Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?
hello, Steve 1) Yes 2) No. If the piece is in Eb-flat major, most of them use a Bb Piccolo trumpet. If the piece is written in the key of D major, they tune the piccolo down to A. Per Ottar - Original Message - From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" 1. Do some/many/most professional orchestral trumpet players own trumpets pitched in C for playing things at concert pitch? 2. Do some/many/most who play Baroque music or other music written for Eb trumpet own and use an Eb trumpet? I helped a local band director transpose some Eb trumpet parts so that Bb players could play them normally, and they really did end up being quite high. I also can't imagine someone playing the first movement of the Haydn trumpet concerto on a Bb instrument (although I guess it's possible). Thanks in advance, and apologies for the digression. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] music ghost writers
Dear List, I may be wrong about this, but I believe that most movie score writers make use of some sort of "short score" or "condensed score" when they do the actual writing of the music. These scores usually contains (more or less detailed) instructions for the orchestrators, who then use this short score when laying out the score that is actually used when playing and recording the music. Per Ottar Subject: RE: [Hornlist] music ghost writers G.Mahler, R.Strauss, Korngold ... Subject: [Hornlist] music ghost writers idiocy and lousy arrangers aside, Is there someone who is willing to concur without using names that some famous movie score composers 'owe' their fame to ghost writers? or is this a question that should not be asked in public? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Venice and Prague
Ok, thank you. Per Ottar - Original Message - From: "Klaus Bjerre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Venice and Prague --- Per Ottar Gjerstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: what shop was it? Engstrøm & Sødring in Borgergade, formerly in Palægade. Their fairly large catalogue of newer Danish music is kept alive by the owners, but there is no street-front store. Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Venice and Prague
costs.> Klaus, what shop was it? Per Ottar ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] conductors
Hi all, If you are interested in reading about conductors and how they (often) behave, you should read this book by Norman Lebrecht: "The Maestro Myth". He takes the gloss off most of them. Per Ottar - Original Message - From: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [Hornlist] conductors Dear friends from the amateur league, You have no idea about what happen during rehearsals at high professional level, absolute no idea, sorry. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Digital Recording of accompaniments
"Music minus one" is OK to a very tiny degree. But the really helpful choise is a program called "Smart Music". With this you can change tempos, keys, rubatos or whatever you want. You can vary the amount of how the program follows the soloist, if you slow down, the accompagnement listen and slows down, also. I think it's terrific. Much more useful than the old fashioned CD kind of thing. Per Ottar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:28 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Digital Recording of accompaniments Are there collections, or individual digital recordings of accompaniments for rehearsal purposes of standard horn repertoire (solos)? Sent Via Ethixs Online Mail-Clean Internet Access www.ethixs.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] French Horn "sayings"
Try these: "Why is the French horn a divine instrument? Because a man blows in it, but only God knows what comes out of it." "How can you make a trombone sound like a French horn? Stick your hand in the bell and play a lot of wrong notes." Greetings, Per Ottar - Original Message - From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: [Hornlist] French Horn "sayings" I'm looking for a few cutesy words about French Horns - I'm having some pencils made up as a gag gift for me and my section-mates in local Community Band. Anything relating to French Horns that might be cute on the side of a pencil welcomed. Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] "Will the........"
And you also have the "Smart Music" practising system which also uses a computer screen for displaying the notes. Per Ottar Don't forget The Orchestra Musician's CD-ROM Library. When I take my horn with me on business trips, my laptop becomes my music stand. Regards, Joe ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] High or low horns
Thank you both for your work! So, is it correct to assume that all the early symphonies by Haydn is using the high (alto) horns? (Seems to fit to the "sparkling" Haydn sound.) When we're talking about high horn parts in Haydn's music, it's wise to invlude the symph. no. 51. Really cool. Another thing about no. 41 is that the CD booklet tells me, that for the second movement, the horns have changed to C basso. That sounds a bit peculiar. Per Ottar - Original Message - From: "Paul Manly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] High or low horns Also the "horn signal" no. 31 (high c#) - Original Message - From: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:25 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] High or low horns Yes, indeed, there is no special indication about horns in C (basso) or C (alto for symphony no.82. I was at Munich City Music Library this morning. The horn part is inscribed with horns or trumpets. As the part does not exceed the written f2 (on the top line), the highest note after our F-horn understanding would be the high c for the F-horn, which is not very high for a Haydn symphony. The horn parts are rather simple, just a bit higher than average, but for the C-horns of that time really not an affair at all. The highest point be the 11th step of the available notes. Haydn used this note rarely because of the strange intonation, but it is easy< to correct this by the use of the right hand - just a bit closing of the bell. As there is a choice between using horns or trumpets, I would use horns in C as written, not c-basso. Anyway "The Bear" symphony sounds lighter. If the conductor likes a deep voice grunting bear (), play it basso. But the sound might get too heavy. Sorry, I did not check about the lowest note in the second horn, but do not remember having seen much ledger lines. Could not find no.41, but as it belongs to the earlier symphonies, c-alto should be the right choice. A very high one is "Mary Therese", also the ouverture/sinfonia "L´infedelta delusa", allways reaching for our high d3 (above 2nd ledger line for F-horn). ======= -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Per Ottar Gjerstad Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:04 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] High or low horns Hans, Thank you for your answer. I'm looking forward to see what you found in the library. Per Ottar - Original Message - From: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] High or low horns If the horns go along with the trumpets the horns might be in C-basso, so to be one octave lower than the trumpets. If the symphony requires (as No.82) horns or trumpets, the horns might be high (c-alto), but it depends if they would be playing higher than the oboes or not. It makes absolutely no sense if the horns go higher than the oboes. We had the example here with the new edition of Mozarts "Il Serail", wher w.o. Nikolaus Harnoncourt decided (during the conference of experts at Baerenreiter Edition), the horns were playing high (Bb-alto) allways. This would result that horns were playing higher than oboes on many occasions. A look into the score would reveal all. But there are so many experts & conductors out, who even cannot imagine how a certain even classic epoque symphony score should sound. That´s the problem. And they call themselves experts, but experts without ears & without taste. Could pass state library tomorrow & have a look into the full score of the Haydn collection. Let you know tomorrow. ======== = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Per Ottar Gjerstad Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:19 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] High or low horns Hello everybody, I am a little confused regarding some horn parts in Haydn's symphonies. As an example I use symph. no. 41 in C major. When I listen to my recording of the piece, the horns play really high notes because it's scored for high horns in C. ( Maybe I shall mention I don't have the score of this symphony, but is mentioned in the CD booklet). I 'm not sure, but I have a feeling that high horns in C is a bit rare? OK, when I open my score of symphony no 82, which is also in C major, there's no mentioning of the horns being high or low. How do you really know? regards, Per Ottar __
Re: [Hornlist] High or low horns
Hans, Thank you for your answer. I'm looking forward to see what you found in the library. Per Ottar - Original Message - From: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] High or low horns If the horns go along with the trumpets the horns might be in C-basso, so to be one octave lower than the trumpets. If the symphony requires (as No.82) horns or trumpets, the horns might be high (c-alto), but it depends if they would be playing higher than the oboes or not. It makes absolutely no sense if the horns go higher than the oboes. We had the example here with the new edition of Mozarts "Il Serail", wher w.o. Nikolaus Harnoncourt decided (during the conference of experts at Baerenreiter Edition), the horns were playing high (Bb-alto) allways. This would result that horns were playing higher than oboes on many occasions. A look into the score would reveal all. But there are so many experts & conductors out, who even cannot imagine how a certain even classic epoque symphony score should sound. That´s the problem. And they call themselves experts, but experts without ears & without taste. Could pass state library tomorrow & have a look into the full score of the Haydn collection. Let you know tomorrow. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Per Ottar Gjerstad Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:19 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] High or low horns Hello everybody, I am a little confused regarding some horn parts in Haydn's symphonies. As an example I use symph. no. 41 in C major. When I listen to my recording of the piece, the horns play really high notes because it's scored for high horns in C. ( Maybe I shall mention I don't have the score of this symphony, but is mentioned in the CD booklet). I 'm not sure, but I have a feeling that high horns in C is a bit rare? OK, when I open my score of symphony no 82, which is also in C major, there's no mentioning of the horns being high or low. How do you really know? regards, Per Ottar ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] High or low horns
Hello everybody, I am a little confused regarding some horn parts in Haydn's symphonies. As an example I use symph. no. 41 in C major. When I listen to my recording of the piece, the horns play really high notes because it's scored for high horns in C. ( Maybe I shall mention I don't have the score of this symphony, but is mentioned in the CD booklet). I 'm not sure, but I have a feeling that high horns in C is a bit rare? OK, when I open my score of symphony no 82, which is also in C major, there's no mentioning of the horns being high or low. How do you really know? regards, Per Ottar ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
