RE: [Hornlist] silver plating & rationale
Just a thought - how much heat would be transferred to metal under these plating conditions? Would it be similar to the cryo process - in that the returning to normal room temp that allows the metal to relax further (i.e. the heating up of the brass) and not the freezing of the brass - if the application of the gold/silver includes heating the metal up then this might be relaxing the brass? Simon >-- Original Message -- >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:00:28 +0200 >Subject: [Hornlist] silver plating & rationale >Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Thank you all for your input regarding your experience of sound changes >after silver plating your instrument, but I was not interested to hear >your experience, as I have my own allready. > >I was & I am still very interested about the rationale behind the sound >change as explained, so to know more about the physical process, which >changes the sound appearantly. What happen with the instrument when >plating ? > >I know already, that 5 Amp. per 16 square inches (SI) electricity is >used for silver plating & 2 Amp for gold plating. > >The technician told me, that the result a bi-metal could cause the >effect ??? Harder metal (brass) plus the softer metal surface (silver & >gold) ??? > >Off course, the instrument is cleaned before the process: polished & >ultra sonic degreased. But it was clean before, as I keep my instruments >clean. > >The sound changes did occur with my 23 years old double as well with the >brand new Viennese single. Well, brand new means, it has been used just >for very few performances to be tested, the surface still shiny. So to >make all clear. The old double was maintained perfectly, regularly >cleaned inside & outside, not dents, no plaques. Just lacquer stripped. >It was also a perfect horn when lacquere, but I got into difficulties >when moved from the usual place in the pit to the brass side, sitting in >front of the timps & playing verse the "sack" below stage or against the >timps. > >Scientists, you are asked for an explanation. > >Thanks in advance. > > >Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 >D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany >Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 >home: www.pizka.de >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >___ >post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >unsubscribe or set options at >http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineone.net Regards, Simon __ Get Tiscali Broadband From £15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] virus
Don't think it could be this list as attachments are removed by Yahoo - I'm pretty sure that's the setting David uses. There are so many worm generated emails about at the moment I'm sure it's more likely to be one of those emails you'll be getting the warnings from. Does your AVS not tell which email causes you the problem? >-- Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:04:26 -0400 >From: milton kicklighter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: horn list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > The Horn List 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: >Subject: [Hornlist] virus >Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Hey Guys, > >For over a month now I have been getting at least two and sometimes >three virus attacks when I open my email. My virus software always >catches it before it gets in the computer, but I am thinking it may be >coming from someone's computer on the horn list. > >Please, if you have virus software check out your computer or upgrade >your software and see if you might have the virus on your computer. > >Thanks, > >Milton >Milton Kicklighter >4th horn Buffalo Phil > >P.S The Buffalo Phil has offered a contract to a new 1st horn. Great >player >___ >post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineone.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Things to listen to
What a shame - I know the Garden Players really enjoyed working with him back in the late 80's. I don't think he's been back in the UK since then. Recording is awful isn't it? I remember taking what appeared to be 20+ takes on the beginning of the second movement of the 1919 Firebird Suite because a useless carver thought the 1st and 4th were not together - in fact on reviewing the tapes he found the first take was bang on! I was on 4th my colleague of first thought it was very amusing ... not me though being my first professional recording session! Have tried EMI's next to useless web based catalogue and it's not coming up, will keep searching though. Thanks for the insight on Carlos Kleiber - do you know if his father was the same? I understand he had a wonderful relationsip with the London Philharmonic in the 30's and 40's. Cheers, Simon >-- Original Message -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) >To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Things to listen to >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:09:20 +0100 >Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >It is on EMI, perhaps as DVD. It was available as LASER. No, my section used Alex103 all. Working with Kleiber was not so nice, as he was then the most hysteric. We recorded the Dvorak Piano concerto with Svatoslav Richter and he made me play the >solo (2nd mov) about 30 times, as many things happen in the strings, the piano, the woods. Then he suddenly asked me "Can you play the solo something differently ?" _ I responded: "Are you crazy or what, asking for that after 30 takes. Yes, I can do >it differently by cracking it !". And he continued: " Please, might we do it once again, please !" - And we did it 10-times more again, until he was satisfied. I played Rosenkavalier 90-times under C.Kleiber, and he became more hysterical every p >rformance. E.g. first act: "the horn is still too loud !", so I played this delicate g2-entrance real pp, but perfect. He screamed: "I cannot hear the first horn !" - "How about consulting a medic ?" (I responded), resulting in dark red face (C.Klei >er) but no explosion. As he always wanted me on first chair, he had to endure such response. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mail >o:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:23 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Things to listen to Have not heard that recording, which label is it avail >ble on? Can feel a spending spree coming on ... I have Carlos Kleiber's DVD with the Vienna State Opera which is wonderful but there's something about his father's recording - that cast for a start! How much fun was it to make that recording? I >nderstand from friends who played with Carlos Kleiber in the ROH's Freischutz that he was the best to work with. Did your whole section use Wienner Horns? The last movement of the 9th on Walter's recording is quite astonishing at the string's Gr >sse Tone section. It has a very unique feeling to that it that recording - there's so much tension - given the background you offer it's no wonder really. There's recording of Schubert's Unfinished with the Concertgebouw which was made under simi >ar conditions where you feel the Orchestra is playing as if for the last time. Again, I think it was from one of their last radio broadcasts before the invasion of Holland. I meant to add that all of Strauss's operas have much to offer us all - t >e Sawallish's recording of Capriccio with Civil's wonderful solo, sadly made after the tragic death of Dennis Brain is very wonderful - just wish my German was better to really "get" the libretto. I really like many of Boehm's recordings of these >orks - his Capricion with the Baverian Radio Orchestra has Janowitz singing at her best with that wonderful silvery quality of her's. Cheers Simon >-- Original Message -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) >To: "'The Horn List'" >[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Things to listen to >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:24:49 +0100 >Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >The Mahler no.9 with VPO & Bruno Walter was on Jan.16th 1938, his last concert in >he the n "Free Austria" before the occupation by "The Reich" on March 12th the same year. I have transferred it from my original mint 78s recently. How about the R >senkavalier with Carlos Kleiber & the Bavarian State Opera (myself playing on th > Viennese Pumpenhorn). It is a live recording. =
RE: [Hornlist] Things to listen to
Have not heard that recording, which label is it available on? Can feel a spending spree coming on ... I have Carlos Kleiber's DVD with the Vienna State Opera which is wonderful but there's something about his father's recording - that cast for a start! How much fun was it to make that recording? I understand from friends who played with Carlos Kleiber in the ROH's Freischutz that he was the best to work with. Did your whole section use Wienner Horns? The last movement of the 9th on Walter's recording is quite astonishing at the string's Grosse Tone section. It has a very unique feeling to that it that recording - there's so much tension - given the background you offer it's no wonder really. There's recording of Schubert's Unfinished with the Concertgebouw which was made under similar conditions where you feel the Orchestra is playing as if for the last time. Again, I think it was from one of their last radio broadcasts before the invasion of Holland. I meant to add that all of Strauss's operas have much to offer us all - the Sawallish's recording of Capriccio with Civil's wonderful solo, sadly made after the tragic death of Dennis Brain is very wonderful - just wish my German was better to really "get" the libretto. I really like many of Boehm's recordings of these works - his Capricion with the Baverian Radio Orchestra has Janowitz singing at her best with that wonderful silvery quality of her's. Cheers Simon >-- Original Message -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) >To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Things to listen to >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:24:49 +0100 >Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >The Mahler no.9 with VPO & Bruno Walter was on Jan.16th 1938, his last concert in the the n "Free Austria" before the occupation by "The Reich" on March 12th the same year. I have transferred it from my original mint 78s recently. How about the R >senkavalier with Carlos Kleiber & the Bavarian State Opera (myself playing on the Viennese Pumpenhorn). It is a live recording. ===== ___ post: hor >@music.memphis.edu set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineone.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
