Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
I see I am too late, But I just wanted to take a moment to suggest another alternative that I have yet to read about elsewhere. In eighth grade (when I was 13, I am now 18), my orthodontist suggested an alternative to braces that consists of removable wires (somewhat like a retainer but with no plastic) that fit around the back molars as anchors and then adjust the teeth from the back. It's very hard to explain, and although I have had much success with the method, I do not know its name. The "braces" aren't noticeable at all to someone looking at the mouth, and because they are removable, the "braces" do not interfere with any of the finer points of horn playing (ie. articulation). If you, or anyone in a similar predicament, can find an orthodontist who is familiar with this method, I recommend it highly. There were no detriments to my playing and as a bonus, it's especially easy to clean. Catherine Eisele West Chester, PA - Original Message - From: Steve Freides<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'The Horn List'<mailto:horn@music.memphis.edu> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players The orthodontist tells me that many kids have problems with their tongues getting cut with behind-the-teeth braces. We just saw the orthodontist today and agreed to have the "normal" kind installed. A couple of "spacers" were inserted today after molds were made of my son's teeth, and he'll begin getting the braces themselves a week from now. Thanks to everyone for their input. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
The orthodontist tells me that many kids have problems with their tongues getting cut with behind-the-teeth braces. We just saw the orthodontist today and agreed to have the "normal" kind installed. A couple of "spacers" were inserted today after molds were made of my son's teeth, and he'll begin getting the braces themselves a week from now. Thanks to everyone for their input. -S- > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Shanna Hollich > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:53 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players > > > --- Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've been told by a couple of folks so far that these "behind the > > teeth" > > braces, while they might be better for brass playing, tend to > > interfere with normal speech. > > There are a number of orthodontic devices that go behind the > teeth, like retainers and bite-plates. > These, too, "interfere" with normal speech for a time, and I > would imagine that braces behind the teeth would have the > same effect. After a few days, one should adapt to the > feeling and speech should largely return to normal. > > Besides, having something behind your teeth like that should > really only affect dental and probably alveolar consonants. > Someone could just do what I did when I had my retainer > (which I never wore often enough to properly adjust to) and > avoid all words with 's's and 'd's. Heh. > > Shanna Hollich > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AOL IM: rhinos for jesus > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc > omputer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
--- Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been told by a couple of folks so far that > these "behind the teeth" > braces, while they might be better for brass > playing, tend to interfere with > normal speech. There are a number of orthodontic devices that go behind the teeth, like retainers and bite-plates. These, too, "interfere" with normal speech for a time, and I would imagine that braces behind the teeth would have the same effect. After a few days, one should adapt to the feeling and speech should largely return to normal. Besides, having something behind your teeth like that should really only affect dental and probably alveolar consonants. Someone could just do what I did when I had my retainer (which I never wore often enough to properly adjust to) and avoid all words with 's's and 'd's. Heh. Shanna Hollich [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL IM: rhinos for jesus __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
I've been told by a couple of folks so far that these "behind the teeth" braces, while they might be better for brass playing, tend to interfere with normal speech. >From everything I've heard both on and off this list since I asked the question, my inclination is just to go with regular braces and be sure my son has a couple of months to get used to them before he has any auditions or concerts. -S- > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Bob Williams > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:52 PM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players > > Braces which are attached behind the teeth, rather than in > front, may be ideal for brass musicians who wish to continue > playing while the braces are on. You can do a Google search > for "lingual orthodontics" (which is what this is called). > There was a presentation at the International Horn Society in > June on this (by a dentist and hornplayer), and it sounded > quite interesting. > > Bob Williams > > --- > We've just been told my son, who will be 13 in a month or > two, needs braces. > I recall a discussion of an alternative kind of braces that, > while a bit more expensive, worked better. Anyone have any > specifics they can tell me? > My son plays both horn and trumpet and the going is started > starting to heat up for him as he has his first auditions for > county-level band and the like this Fall. > > Thanks very much in advance. I will pass any information > along to the orthodontist and let her make the final > decision, of course. > > -S- > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc > omputer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Braces for brass players
Braces which are attached behind the teeth, rather than in front, may be ideal for brass musicians who wish to continue playing while the braces are on. You can do a Google search for "lingual orthodontics" (which is what this is called). There was a presentation at the International Horn Society in June on this (by a dentist and hornplayer), and it sounded quite interesting. Bob Williams --- We've just been told my son, who will be 13 in a month or two, needs braces. I recall a discussion of an alternative kind of braces that, while a bit more expensive, worked better. Anyone have any specifics they can tell me? My son plays both horn and trumpet and the going is started starting to heat up for him as he has his first auditions for county-level band and the like this Fall. Thanks very much in advance. I will pass any information along to the orthodontist and let her make the final decision, of course. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
I would go with the standard issue braces, they are the better decision with time whether or not music becomes a career. There are a ton of great brass players who have braces ( look at the State level Music Ensembles) and it is just about gettng used to them. I knew a bunch of monster brass players in high school - even college with braces ( my brother who plays tuba had them for a long time). If you would like some immediate assistance with those nasty things then buy these for $10, many people I know said that it made the first 2 months a breeze (they didn't need them later because their mouth adjusted) http://www.music123.com/Jet-Tone-Lip-Protector-i83249.music The strongest recomendation is preventative Orthdontics when a child is growing up. My teath are so very straight that everyone thinks that I had braces when I was younger, but never did. My brother only had to get braces because he had an overbite that was slight. I hope this helps. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
I went through the same mess a few years ago. My parents said that they would pay for invisalign, should the orthodontist recomend them. The dentist said that they were years ahead of their time, a neat but impractical idea, and that we should not bother with them. We then sought another opinion, this time, an orthodontist who was also an active trombone player. He also said that invisalign was not what we wanted. In the end, my parents left the decision to get braces up to me, and I decided to not get them. I've never had a cavity or any other dental problem except the fact that I have too many teeth in a relatively small mouth. My teeth have never interfered with my playing. I'm happy with my choice, though my smile will never make it on any magazine covers. G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi, Do you think he needs braces? And why does the final decision rest with the orthodontist? Gary --- Steve Freides wrote: > We've just been told my son, who will be 13 in a > month or two, needs braces. > I recall a discussion of an alternative kind of > braces that, while a bit > more expensive, worked better. Anyone have any > specifics they can tell me? > My son plays both horn and trumpet and the going is > started starting to heat > up for him as he has his first auditions for > county-level band and the like > this Fall. > > Thanks very much in advance. I will pass any > information along to the > orthodontist and let her make the final decision, of > course. > > -S- > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/beowulf_36%40yahoo.com > Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/frenchorngeek%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
Thank you. This is the product I was thinking of. I know most children who wear braces adapt, more or less, after a while. It is really true that these will make playing easier, I wonder? I imagine it's nearly impossible to find people who've worn conventional braces, tried playing with them for a period of weeks, then switch to Invisalign and can compare the two. -S- > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Bill Gross > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:21 PM > To: 'The Horn List' > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players > > While I am not a dentist, nor do I claim to be one on the > Internet, I am aware of a product that may be what you are > looking for. > > There are braces that are molded plastic. The process > involves making a whole series of such braces. They are not > unlike mouth guards used in some contact sports. Each set of > braces realigns the teeth a small amount with gradual changes > over a year I believe. > > You may find this website of use. > > http://www.invisalign.com/generalapp/us/en/index.jsp > > > There is also a product advertised as "Invisiline". I'm not > sure of the difference. Talk to your orthodontist. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Steve Freides > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:11 PM > To: 'The Horn List' > Subject: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players > > We've just been told my son, who will be 13 in a month or > two, needs braces. > I recall a discussion of an alternative kind of braces that, > while a bit more expensive, worked better. Anyone have any > specifics they can tell me? > My son plays both horn and trumpet and the going is started > starting to heat up for him as he has his first auditions for > county-level band and the like this Fall. > > Thanks very much in advance. I will pass any information > along to the orthodontist and let her make the final > decision, of course. > > -S- > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc > omputer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
Hi, Do you think he needs braces? And why does the final decision rest with the orthodontist? Gary --- Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've just been told my son, who will be 13 in a > month or two, needs braces. > I recall a discussion of an alternative kind of > braces that, while a bit > more expensive, worked better. Anyone have any > specifics they can tell me? > My son plays both horn and trumpet and the going is > started starting to heat > up for him as he has his first auditions for > county-level band and the like > this Fall. > > Thanks very much in advance. I will pass any > information along to the > orthodontist and let her make the final decision, of > course. > > -S- > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/beowulf_36%40yahoo.com > Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
Invisalign (or invisaline) braces - I am uncertain of the spelling but I know Dan B's son has them. Ellen Manthe On 7/12/05 12:11 PM, "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've just been told my son, who will be 13 in a month or two, needs braces. > I recall a discussion of an alternative kind of braces that, while a bit > more expensive, worked better. Anyone have any specifics they can tell me? > My son plays both horn and trumpet and the going is started starting to heat > up for him as he has his first auditions for county-level band and the like > this Fall. > > Thanks very much in advance. I will pass any information along to the > orthodontist and let her make the final decision, of course. > > -S- > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ellenmanthe%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players
While I am not a dentist, nor do I claim to be one on the Internet, I am aware of a product that may be what you are looking for. There are braces that are molded plastic. The process involves making a whole series of such braces. They are not unlike mouth guards used in some contact sports. Each set of braces realigns the teeth a small amount with gradual changes over a year I believe. You may find this website of use. http://www.invisalign.com/generalapp/us/en/index.jsp There is also a product advertised as "Invisiline". I'm not sure of the difference. Talk to your orthodontist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:11 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] Braces for brass players We've just been told my son, who will be 13 in a month or two, needs braces. I recall a discussion of an alternative kind of braces that, while a bit more expensive, worked better. Anyone have any specifics they can tell me? My son plays both horn and trumpet and the going is started starting to heat up for him as he has his first auditions for county-level band and the like this Fall. Thanks very much in advance. I will pass any information along to the orthodontist and let her make the final decision, of course. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Braces for brass players
We've just been told my son, who will be 13 in a month or two, needs braces. I recall a discussion of an alternative kind of braces that, while a bit more expensive, worked better. Anyone have any specifics they can tell me? My son plays both horn and trumpet and the going is started starting to heat up for him as he has his first auditions for county-level band and the like this Fall. Thanks very much in advance. I will pass any information along to the orthodontist and let her make the final decision, of course. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
