RE: [Hornlist] Air Support
Yes, definitely. Listen to a player using Bb-side listen to a player using F-side. You will be surprised how clean the sound can be with the F-side: no zschschschfr in the sound, while the Bb-horn has this shshshshhh in the sound allways, well, very good players can compensate this, but not the average. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D. Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:31 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Air Support Why do you say that the Bb side of the horn ³hairy²? From: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:35:01 +0200 To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Air Support Tzschrrsch in the sound = hairy sound ! All the other noice within the sound. A bit more phantasy , please ! = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D. Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:17 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Air Support Dear Hans, Please explain further what you mean by hairy sound, ³ ... the sound would become too hairy ... Bb-side (the hairy side)². Thank you, kindly, Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D. From: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:40:29 +0200 To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Air Support Breathe as normal (if you experienced what´s normal) but dont experiment with making fire in your living room. If you need to think too much about breathing, you might miss a note here more there while you are thinking about breathing. The horn playing does need less air than you might expect. If you have breathing problems, go swimming try to dive from one side of the pool to the other or even lengthwise through the pool, but a real swimming pool of olympic sport size. If you master that, you should not have any breathing problem. It is not necessary to push the air through the instrument, as the sound would become too hairy - as can be heard with many horn players, professionals included, special if exclusively relying upon the Bb-side (the hairy side). And, if you have severe breathing problems, why not losing weight ??? And why thinking about the high nots so much ? It is more fun to play in the overall range of the horn from low c to g2 on top of the staff just going higher (very) occasionally. What are good principals (should be specialists for high , middle low) without good section players ? == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew James Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:51 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Air Support My support to air support.My opinion on air support is as follows. You need to approach it with both sides of the tension and relaxed ideas. Think of the starting with a very firm foundation. On top of that stay relaxed. as the air dissipates from your diaphragm introduce tension from the sides (think of a Billow (sp) that you would use to start a fire at home). Then at the inhalation relax the sides and while pushing down cause the lower abdominal region to return back to the foundation of the air column and repeat. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/agolub%40opto nline.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Air Support
Dear Hans, Please explain further what you mean by hairy sound, ³ ... the sound would become too hairy ... Bb-side (the hairy side)². Thank you, kindly, Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D. From: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:40:29 +0200 To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Air Support Breathe as normal (if you experienced what´s normal) but dont experiment with making fire in your living room. If you need to think too much about breathing, you might miss a note here more there while you are thinking about breathing. The horn playing does need less air than you might expect. If you have breathing problems, go swimming try to dive from one side of the pool to the other or even lengthwise through the pool, but a real swimming pool of olympic sport size. If you master that, you should not have any breathing problem. It is not necessary to push the air through the instrument, as the sound would become too hairy - as can be heard with many horn players, professionals included, special if exclusively relying upon the Bb-side (the hairy side). And, if you have severe breathing problems, why not losing weight ??? And why thinking about the high nots so much ? It is more fun to play in the overall range of the horn from low c to g2 on top of the staff just going higher (very) occasionally. What are good principals (should be specialists for high , middle low) without good section players ? == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew James Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:51 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Air Support My support to air support.My opinion on air support is as follows. You need to approach it with both sides of the tension and relaxed ideas. Think of the starting with a very firm foundation. On top of that stay relaxed. as the air dissipates from your diaphragm introduce tension from the sides (think of a Billow (sp) that you would use to start a fire at home). Then at the inhalation relax the sides and while pushing down cause the lower abdominal region to return back to the foundation of the air column and repeat. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Air Support
Tzschrrsch in the sound = hairy sound ! All the other noice within the sound. A bit more phantasy , please ! = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D. Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:17 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Air Support Dear Hans, Please explain further what you mean by hairy sound, ³ ... the sound would become too hairy ... Bb-side (the hairy side)². Thank you, kindly, Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D. From: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:40:29 +0200 To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Air Support Breathe as normal (if you experienced what´s normal) but dont experiment with making fire in your living room. If you need to think too much about breathing, you might miss a note here more there while you are thinking about breathing. The horn playing does need less air than you might expect. If you have breathing problems, go swimming try to dive from one side of the pool to the other or even lengthwise through the pool, but a real swimming pool of olympic sport size. If you master that, you should not have any breathing problem. It is not necessary to push the air through the instrument, as the sound would become too hairy - as can be heard with many horn players, professionals included, special if exclusively relying upon the Bb-side (the hairy side). And, if you have severe breathing problems, why not losing weight ??? And why thinking about the high nots so much ? It is more fun to play in the overall range of the horn from low c to g2 on top of the staff just going higher (very) occasionally. What are good principals (should be specialists for high , middle low) without good section players ? == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew James Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:51 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Air Support My support to air support.My opinion on air support is as follows. You need to approach it with both sides of the tension and relaxed ideas. Think of the starting with a very firm foundation. On top of that stay relaxed. as the air dissipates from your diaphragm introduce tension from the sides (think of a Billow (sp) that you would use to start a fire at home). Then at the inhalation relax the sides and while pushing down cause the lower abdominal region to return back to the foundation of the air column and repeat. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Air Support
Since the list is so quiet recently, maybe a discussion of air support will liven things up a bit: In the last few years I have been taught a number of different ways of supporting air by a number of different teachers (all were employed or retired from full time professional orchestras). The interesting (and confusing) thing is that some of their methods are completely opposing! Some say that you should have a tightness or firmness in your gut. Others say to have almost no tension whatsoever in your abdominal muscles. Obviously the different methods work for different players, and I've been experimenting around with them recently. What I've discovered so far is that if my stomach is too tight, it inhibits the air flow out and forces me to squeeze, but if I have no tension in my stomach then my air stream is not quite strong enough for a good sound and high register playing. So the question to you hornlisters: How do you support your air and why? Steve ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Air Support
My support to air support.My opinion on air support is as follows. You need to approach it with both sides of the tension and relaxed ideas. Think of the starting with a very firm foundation. On top of that stay relaxed. as the air dissipates from your diaphragm introduce tension from the sides (think of a Billow (sp) that you would use to start a fire at home). Then at the inhalation relax the sides and while pushing down cause the lower abdominal region to return back to the foundation of the air column and repeat. Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Air Support
Steve Freides wrote - ... I find thinking about the stream of air as it passes through my embouchure does what I need and I do not consider the issue of support directly in my playing, ... -- end of quote from Steve Freides -- I agree with Steve's view. My opinion is to not worry about 'air support', or 'diaphram usage' - the key item is to keep the 'air flow' moving with the quantity and speed needed for the notes! For the upper range (above the staff) it is critical to keep the air flowing and to not have the air flow get pinched closed. Even up in the high A/B/C range the air must flow, NOT to 'squirt' the air through a too tight embouchure. And, yes, this high range air flow is not only possible, but also required for good playing. If you pinch closed, try again and concentrate on the flow. With practice of having a good, controlled air flow, you will develop 'air support' and the means to inhale suitable amounts of air. Jay Kosta Endwell NY amateur player, not teacher ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Air Support
Steven Slaff wrote: In the last few years I have been taught a number of different ways of supporting air by a number of different teachers (all were employed or retired from full time professional orchestras). Having several teachers in the last few years is a less than ideal way to study. The interesting (and confusing) thing is that some of their methods are completely opposing! Some say that you should have a tightness or firmness in your gut. Others say to have almost no tension whatsoever in your abdominal muscles. Bad teachers assume everyone must do it their way; good teachers help students do whatever is needed to improve their playing. Obviously the different methods work for different players, and I've been experimenting around with them recently. What I've discovered so far is that if my stomach is too tight, it inhibits the air flow out and forces me to squeeze, but if I have no tension in my stomach then my air stream is not quite strong enough for a good sound and high register playing. This is really a matter for you and your teacher. You must have confidence that your teacher's approach will help your playing, otherwise you should find a new teacher, but if you are working with experienced professionals, each may be deserving of your trust and able to help you - but not if you don't give them your trust and sufficient time to work with you. So the question to you hornlisters: How do you support your air and why? It may be worth mentioning that support is an area of disagreement among teachers of other things as well, e.g., voice. Personally, I find thinking about the stream of air as it passes through my embouchure does what I need and I do not consider the issue of support directly in my playing, but when I have asked my teacher about this, he just says, You do that fine and we move on to something else - good enough for me. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Air Support
Breathe as normal (if you experienced what´s normal) but dont experiment with making fire in your living room. If you need to think too much about breathing, you might miss a note here more there while you are thinking about breathing. The horn playing does need less air than you might expect. If you have breathing problems, go swimming try to dive from one side of the pool to the other or even lengthwise through the pool, but a real swimming pool of olympic sport size. If you master that, you should not have any breathing problem. It is not necessary to push the air through the instrument, as the sound would become too hairy - as can be heard with many horn players, professionals included, special if exclusively relying upon the Bb-side (the hairy side). And, if you have severe breathing problems, why not losing weight ??? And why thinking about the high nots so much ? It is more fun to play in the overall range of the horn from low c to g2 on top of the staff just going higher (very) occasionally. What are good principals (should be specialists for high , middle low) without good section players ? == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew James Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:51 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Air Support My support to air support.My opinion on air support is as follows. You need to approach it with both sides of the tension and relaxed ideas. Think of the starting with a very firm foundation. On top of that stay relaxed. as the air dissipates from your diaphragm introduce tension from the sides (think of a Billow (sp) that you would use to start a fire at home). Then at the inhalation relax the sides and while pushing down cause the lower abdominal region to return back to the foundation of the air column and repeat. Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
