Re: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
And furthermore, it's a good idea to get good grades in college. All of the graduate programs I auditioned for had relatively high (About 3.00) academic requirements for overall GPA and music specific requirements. In fact, the program I'm in now requires a 3.00 to be maintained for my scholarship. Not to mention, should you transfer schools, like Josh and I both did, having a mediocre GPA will hurt you for academic transfer and upperclassmen scholarships. I thought, well I'm leaving so all I need is a C to have the credits transfer and I put in a C's worth of effort and everything transfered just fine. The downside was that I was wholly ineligble for upperclass or transfer academic scholarships. The scholarship from the music program was only sufficient at first but because was private and expensive, their 9% yearly tuition increases equaled large amounts of money by the time I graduated! Admittedly, had I applied and auditioned at this school when I was in high school, I would've received a full ride with even a smaller music scholarship and large academic scholarship. Secondly, one never knows what can happen in their family situation where you would be bling-blinging and then suddenly you have to find a new way to pay for school. With good grades, you always have the possibility of academic scholarships for upperclassmen or even other independent scholarships based on GPA or other things. Chris --- Josh Cheuvront [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, From my own personal experience, my grades didn't come in to play until I went for the big scholarships. My first choice in colleges was a very expensive private school. After my audition, the horn prof. was very excited. After I told him that I had scored a 31 on my ACT, he started talking full-ride. Then he looked at my transcripts 2.99 on a 4.00 scale and his face fell. The music department had an iron-clad rule that incoming freshmen had to have a 3.0 or greater in order to receive a full ride scholarship. I ended up going to my second choice school, where I was miserable for a year until I transferred out to the college where I finished my undergrad. Everything has worked out for the best, but I have enormous loans to pay that would be either non-existent or much smaller if I had simply turned in 2 more Latin homework assignments and gotten 3 more questions correct on my AP Psych final. If this question of yours has come about as a result of a discussion with one of your parents, listen to them. I can clearly remember standing in the kitchen and loudly telling my parents that there was no reason for me to study for the AP Psych final since I'd already been accepted into the schools I wanted to get into. Man, was I ever stupid. My laziness kept me from doing a lot of really neat things during college since I was always working full time to make my loan payments. None of this has stopped me from pursuing and attaining my goals, but it sure has made things a lot harder than they needed to be. In shortGET YOUR GRADES UP AND KEEP THEM THERE. Regards, Josh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect Hello again, I would like to know how much my high school grades effect me getting accepted into a colleges music program. Thanks, Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornpreux%40hotmail.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
At 09:21 PM 5/24/2004, you wrote: Hello again, I would like to know how much my high school grades effect me getting accepted into a colleges music program. Never ignore your grades. Every school has standards that you must meet, both academically and technically (in terms of performance). Plus, the better your grades, the more likely it is you can get academic scholarships. Margaret Margaret Dikel JCCSO Librarian / Horn 11218 Ashley Drive, Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I'm not sure that translation is quite literal. I seem to remember kakaschka means something else, not nothing. But something that has to do with paper certainly! Benno but how russians says: bez bumazki ty kakaska or if in english without paper you are nothing... ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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A different high school student's opinion: Right now, I'm in my Jr. year, have visited a few colleges, possibly auditioning for one this summer, but I also have asked these questions to many different representitives of colleges around the country. I slacked off pretty badly, choosing to focus on horn instead, until this past school year. I had been encouraged to really go for grades more this year because no matter what, grades get you places. I had a 2.0 gpa going into this year, which has changed into around a 3.0. I am looking to raise them even more in the final weeks this year, and next school year as well. The fact is, most private schools with conservatories don't base ones acceptence on grades, but rather the audition instead. But, they all say that grades can only help one to get into the school. State schools, and many other public schools are entirely different. They look at your grades almost as more of a factor than the audition. Basically, if you don't make it into the school, you don't make it into the music program. Scores matter. Now I have no idea of your ability, Mike, but I know from myself that I have regretted slacking off my freshman and sophomore years. It's weird, not until I started focusing on schoo, could I really focus and improve on horn. I have improved great lengths this year. From never making it past the district level before, I made both Region Band and Orchestra, and was third chair at All-State Band. Once the school work came, I had a desire to buckle down at my horn studies, as well. On that note, there is another side of the story. I had an interesting discussion with one of the representitives at Oberlin. Achievements account for less than one would think. It really is about the audition at a place like that. They say that they get people who make All-State, All-Eastern everything, go to the prestigious camps, do everything you think you should do, but then they go to the audition and they are just not what the college is looking for. Fifteen minutes is not a lot of time to get to show who you are, so you have to make the most of it. My advice: if you decide to slack at school, you'd better knock them dead at the audition, or you'll be ending up somewhere you don't want to be and you'll be the one that has to accept the consequenses of your actions. Michael Scheimer, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, High School Student ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Listers- It comes to mind that when asking for money for scholarships, teachers have to justify it to the administrators. These paper jockeys can only corroborate what they see on paper. Wouldn't it be in every auditioners best interests to make sure the administration doesn't have a reason to deny you your scholarship? Mike Rogers ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
Roland Berger has been exmatriculated from the Vienna Academy when he accepted his first horn position with Vienna Philharmonic without permission by the Academy . later he became professor at the same academy WITHOUT PAPER .. Paper is good to have, but it helps you NOTHING for thejob. But it is necessary if you want your study years being recognized for pension purpose (at least in countries with similar social system as in Germany, Austria, Swiss, France, ..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julius Pranevicius Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:31 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect --- Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paper is paper, ink is ink, but playing is playing. but how russians says: bez bumazki ty kakaska or if in english without paper you are nothing... __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
At 02:36 AM 5/24/2004, Mike wrote: Hey everyone, My mom brought to attention my plans for my future horn playing career I was wondering how my highschool grades affected my chances of getting accepted into a colleges music program and such. What I had in mind was to perform on horn as my career, my main goal. If I get a performance major, its just a degree, how does it help me to get into orchestras? After or during college, how do I get my foot through the door to start getting paying full time Orchestra positions? After my 4 years of getting a bachelors in performance could I get my orchestra job and pay the bills or what? Mike, I'd start your search for answers to your questions with this article from the Occupational Outlook Handbook, published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics... http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos095.htm Quoting from the article... -- Significant Points Part-time schedules and intermittent unemployment are common; many musicians supplement their income with earnings from other sources. Aspiring musicians begin studying an instrument or training their voices at an early age. Competition for jobs is keen; those who can play several instruments and perform a wide range of music styles should enjoy the best job prospects. Employment Musicians, singers, and related workers held about 215,000 jobs in 2002. Almost 40 percent worked part time, and more than one third were self-employed. Many found jobs in cities in which entertainment and recording activities are concentrated, such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Nashville. Musicians, singers, and related workers are employed in a variety of settings. Of those who earn a wage or salary, more than one half are employed by religious organizations and one fourth by performing arts companies, such as professional orchestras, small chamber music groups, opera companies, musical theater companies, and ballet troupes. -- No one is saying that you should give up now and look for a better job field, but you should know the outlook and the options. Be aware that the full time jobs are highly competitive, the competition is highly talented, and that talent is only part of what you need to get a job. Chutzpah counts for a lot, as does networking. But I know a lot of musicians who take all kinds of smaller gigs and teach and do not need to supplement their income by working at McDonalds. And remember that there are a lot of jobs in music besides performing. You Mom can either support you or discourage you. If she is willing to support you (like my parents did), she'll help you find the best teacher and the time to practice that you need. Then she'll help you choose the best college and help you pay for it. She'll even insist you get a degree, not just a certificate. Finally, she'll be supportive as you take auditions and work hard to survive while working to get established in this field. And she won't be upset if, after several years, you decide to go into another field because she'll know you did your best, had a great time, and still love music. And her. Margaret Margaret Dikel JCCSO Librarian / Horn 11218 Ashley Drive, Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Career on Horn performance
I suggest you talk with the music director at your school and find out if your county or state has instrumental competitions, evaluations, youth orchestra, etc., and become involved with them. You need to seek out opportunities to perform music that is difficult for you - not 'impossible stuff', but music that will force you grow rapidly as a musician. Best Wishes, Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
