RE: [Hornlist] Eb Horn??

2006-04-14 Thread Hans.Pizka
This is relevant just for these stupid modern edition of the
Mozart concerti No.2 - 4, where the solo part is given in F.
The regular non transposed editions have the solo part in Eb
(looking like C-major). Using an Eb horn (not an alto Eb)
would require nothing different than reading the part in F 
finger it as in F. The horn would do the transposition.  -
Would save a lot of energy for some brains, ha, ha !


 

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Rachel Harvey wrote:

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 question...does anyone now own or play an Eb HORN???  I am
most 
 curious about the fingering sequence.

The fingerings, if you play like a traditional horn player,
aren't different at all - the notes are!  

A good example would be the Mozart horn concerti in Eb which
I've been looking at a lot lately for my son.  If you want
them to come out at the right pitch, you'd have to transpose
the score up a step, so that it would look written in C
instead of written in Bb for horn in F as it are now.
That would, no doubt, make a lot more sense to Mr. Mozart,
anyway.

-S-

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[Hornlist] Eb Horn??

2006-04-13 Thread harveycor
Hornfolks
I have read the posts on Eb Trumpet with some interest  remember the time I 
played an Eb HORN in Germany at the age of 15.   The 'thing' had been evidently 
either run over by a car or thrown many times into a wall.  The bell was 
crushed, the main leadpipe was dented  many dents were found throughout the 
tubing I found it to be extremely problematic because I was not instructed 
as to the fingering sequence; NOR was I instructed in transposition by the 
American teacher I had of Mozart Eb orchestral works which I was required to 
play in the German Gymnasium Orchestra (let's look at this5 fiddles, 2 
violi, no celli, no bass, 1 clarinet, 1 trumpet  myself  a very irritable 
conductor who made me the target of his rage.

Much frustration led to me locking myself in the boarding house bathroom  
refusing to exit until I was promised an F horn.which I was granted after 
some time.  The horn was a Gebrueder Alexander Mainz edition  played perfectly 
in tune.  I performed my Kopprasch happily for the teacher that my parents 
obtained for me.

question...does anyone now own or play an Eb HORN???  I am most curious about 
the fingering sequence.

best wishes
Rachel Harvey
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Re: [Hornlist] Eb Horn??

2006-04-13 Thread Alan Cole

Same fingerings as trumpet, cornet, flugel horn, etc.  -AC.
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does anyone now own or play an Eb HORN???  I am most curious about the 
fingering sequence.



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Re: [Hornlist] Eb Horn??

2006-04-13 Thread Klaus Bjerre
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 question...does anyone now own or play an Eb HORN???  I am most curious about 
 the fingering
 sequence.

During large parts of the last century single F horns intended for band usage 
were delivered with
an alternative Eb main tuning slide, and the valve slides had a pulling mark 
signed Eb.

As for the fingerings: Eb horns playing Eb parts are fingered exactly like F 
horns playing from F
horn parts. An Eb horn reading from F parts has to transpose one whole step up. 
Which is no more
difficult than F horns often being required to transpose one whole step down 
reading from band
parts written in Eb.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

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Re: [Hornlist] Eb Horn??

2006-04-13 Thread Jerry Houston

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question...does anyone now own or play an Eb HORN???  I am most
curious about the fingering sequence.


Yes, I have a couple of them.  The fingerings are like nearly any other 
brass instrument with three valves.  Valve 1 lowers the open horn a tone, 
valve 2 lowers it a semitone, and valve 3 combines the two.


It's pitched, however, in the octave above a horn, so the fingerings in its 
trebel clef correspond to horn fingerings in the bass clef. 


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RE: [Hornlist] Eb Horn??

2006-04-13 Thread Steve Freides
Rachel Harvey wrote:

-snip-

 question...does anyone now own or play an Eb HORN???  I am 
 most curious about the fingering sequence.

The fingerings, if you play like a traditional horn player, aren't different
at all - the notes are!  

A good example would be the Mozart horn concerti in Eb which I've been
looking at a lot lately for my son.  If you want them to come out at the
right pitch, you'd have to transpose the score up a step, so that it would
look written in C instead of written in Bb for horn in F as it are now.
That would, no doubt, make a lot more sense to Mr. Mozart, anyway.

-S-

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RE: [Hornlist] Eb Horn??

2006-04-13 Thread R. Saylor
An Eb alto horn or Eb mellophone or Eb tenor horn (England) is pitched a 
minor 7th above the standard F horn.  When reading an Eb horn part, the 
fingerings would be the same as for a trumpet playing the same written 
notes.  When reading an F horn part, transpose up a step and use the 
trumpet fingerings for the transposed notes.


There may be Eb horns pitched 1 step below the standard F horn.  In the US 
these would generally be horns in which someone has inserted an optional Eb 
crook in place of the standard F crook. Standard horn fingerings would be 
used for Eb parts.  F parts would be transposed up a step and fingered 
accordingly.

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