RE: [Hornlist] NYPO horns in Korea
Thats definitely interesting. If they ran a version which had no blipped horn run, then they had to have run a previous recording. Thanks to the laws of physics, there's really no way to splice such a section in from a previous or different concert without half or more of the listening public to scratch their heads and wonder what just happened. I've had some success splicing different takes from different performances, but the venue, players' seating positions, temperature, humidity and a few other factors need to be identical or darn similar. Splicing from different concert halls, different altitudes, different latitudes, different player seatings, different temperatures...that would be a nightmare and certainly not one possible in a 7 to 15 minute time delay. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:08 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] NYPO horns in Korea This whole thread is amusing in what it reveals of the poster's attitudes and I won't attempt to compound or rebut any specific post other than to echo Debbie by saying we've all "been there, done that" on some level when things just did not come together the way they were supposed to for whatever reason. To add on and redirect the thread a bit - I had the odd experience of first hearing the Dvorak finale over the local NPR station and then seeing it a few minutes later on TV. I don't know why they weren't simulcast but instead the video had a 10 or 15 minute lag from the radio. What was interesting was that, as the "big moment" in the last movement approached, my wife (a hornplayer, too) and stopped chatting and focussed on the music coming from the radio - da, dah, dat-d, dah da doo daah - flawless, plain as day and just as I've seen it in Pottag and on the stand in the orchestra for 40 plus years, note for note. My wife said "easy for him to say!" and then I decided to see what was happening on TV. A few minutes elapsed and I get to see what was clearly a total misfire; visible and audible. Nice editing job by NPR and kudos to the television crew for "keeping it real". At the end of the broadcast, I saw a fund-raising promo offering a commemorative DVD of the concert. I wonder which version will prevail. As far as who was where in the section, I was a little confused. I have to say that I only saw the Dvorak and not the rest of the performance which might have made things clearer as to who was filling in as associate and who were on third and assistant. What was clear was that Phil played lead, Allen Spanjer and Howard Wall were the low horns. I don't think it was Eric Ralske assisting (though I could be wrong on this) and I have no idea if the tall, lantern-jawed third horn was the new assistant - Thomas Jöstlein (I just checked the orchestra's web-site and it definitely appears to be him, so I take what I just wrote back). My guess, since I didn't see the rest, is that Ralske played principal on at least some of the other works and the bearded assistant (I only counted 5 horns, though there may have been six involved over the course of the concert) a sub since they have been down a player since Jerry Ashby died in December. Maybe another NY area freelancer (how about it, Debbie?) knows the identity of the mystery man. Cheers to all, Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.c om No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1299 - Release Date: 2/26/2008 9:08 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1299 - Release Date: 2/26/2008 9:08 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NYPO horns in Korea
Ah Peter, I am hanging in Boston and did not see the broadcast. the lanky guy is Thomas and he is on third with Eric "elevated" to acting Associate. The orchestra hired Dave Smith just after Jerry's passing to play until someone was hired. So i assume that is who you saw. Now the seating could have been a bit odd as Phil played Mozart 2 on some of the previous dates of the tour. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:08 am Subject: [Hornlist] NYPO horns in Korea This whole thread is amusing in what it reveals of the poster's attitudes and I won't attempt to compound or rebut any specific post other than to echo Debbie by saying we've all "been there, done that" on some level when things just did not come together the way they were supposed to for whatever reason. To add on and redirect the thread a bit - I had the odd experience of first hearing the Dvorak finale over the local NPR station and then seeing it a few minutes later on TV. I don't know why they weren't simulcast but instead the video had a 10 or 15 minute lag from the radio. What was interesting was that, as the "big moment" in the last movement approached, my wife (a hornplayer, too) and stopped chatting and focussed on the music coming from the radio - da, dah, dat-d, dah da doo daah - flawless, plain as day and just as I've seen it in Pottag and on the stand in the orchestra for 40 plus years, note for note. My wife said "easy for him to say!" and then I decided to see what was happening on TV. A few minutes elapsed and I get to see what was clearly a total misfire; visible and audible. Nice editing job by NPR and kudos to the television crew for "keeping it real". At the end of the broadcast, I saw a fund-raising promo offering a commemorative DVD of the concert. I wonder which version will prevail. As far as who was where in the section, I was a little confused. I have to say that I only saw the Dvorak and not the rest of the performance which might have made things clearer as to who was filling in as associate and who were on third and assistant. What was clear was that Phil played lead, Allen Spanjer and Howard Wall were the low horns. I don't think it was Eric Ralske assisting (though I could be wrong on this) and I have no idea if the tall, lantern-jawed third horn was the new assistant - Thomas Jöstlein (I just checked the orchestra's web-site and it definitely appears to be him, so I take what I just wrote back). My guess, since I didn't see the rest, is that Ralske played principal on at least some of the other works and the bearded assistant (I only counted 5 horns, though there may have been six involved over the course of the concert) a sub since they have been down a player since Jerry Ashby died in December. Maybe another NY area freelancer (how about it, Debbie?) knows the identity of the mystery man. Cheers to all, Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jasoncat%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NYPO horns in Korea
This whole thread is amusing in what it reveals of the poster's attitudes and I won't attempt to compound or rebut any specific post other than to echo Debbie by saying we've all "been there, done that" on some level when things just did not come together the way they were supposed to for whatever reason. To add on and redirect the thread a bit - I had the odd experience of first hearing the Dvorak finale over the local NPR station and then seeing it a few minutes later on TV. I don't know why they weren't simulcast but instead the video had a 10 or 15 minute lag from the radio. What was interesting was that, as the "big moment" in the last movement approached, my wife (a hornplayer, too) and stopped chatting and focussed on the music coming from the radio - da, dah, dat-d, dah da doo daah - flawless, plain as day and just as I've seen it in Pottag and on the stand in the orchestra for 40 plus years, note for note. My wife said "easy for him to say!" and then I decided to see what was happening on TV. A few minutes elapsed and I get to see what was clearly a total misfire; visible and audible. Nice editing job by NPR and kudos to the television crew for "keeping it real". At the end of the broadcast, I saw a fund-raising promo offering a commemorative DVD of the concert. I wonder which version will prevail. As far as who was where in the section, I was a little confused. I have to say that I only saw the Dvorak and not the rest of the performance which might have made things clearer as to who was filling in as associate and who were on third and assistant. What was clear was that Phil played lead, Allen Spanjer and Howard Wall were the low horns. I don't think it was Eric Ralske assisting (though I could be wrong on this) and I have no idea if the tall, lantern-jawed third horn was the new assistant - Thomas Jöstlein (I just checked the orchestra's web-site and it definitely appears to be him, so I take what I just wrote back). My guess, since I didn't see the rest, is that Ralske played principal on at least some of the other works and the bearded assistant (I only counted 5 horns, though there may have been six involved over the course of the concert) a sub since they have been down a player since Jerry Ashby died in December. Maybe another NY area freelancer (how about it, Debbie?) knows the identity of the mystery man. Cheers to all, Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
