Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Alan Cole]

Well, sure.

And I almost always hold my horn in my lap whenever I'm counting 
measures.  (Isn't that how the professionals do it too?)


Plus, did you note the goofy facial expression signifying rapt 
concentration, essential to the task?


How could even a top conservatory-trained professional look any more 
goofily rapt than that?


-- Alan Cole, rank amateur
   McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.
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At 04:25 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote:

OK, I'll bite; what are we looking at that is significant?  A photo of A. 
Cole?  All I see is a guy holding a horn in his lap.


Paul Mansur




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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Paul Mansur]

OK, I'll bite; what are we looking at that is significant?  A photo of 
A. Cole?  All I see is a guy holding a horn in his lap.


Paul Mansur

On Saturday, May 21, 2005, at 10:47 PM, Alan Cole wrote:


OK, try it this way...

http://members.cox.net/acole2/AAC-count.jpg

(no screen name, no password, no folderol)

-AC.
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Screen Name:

Password:

???

Carlberg Jones
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MEXICO





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RE: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Hans]

Some 1.860 d2 notes
= 

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--- David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> The same but opposite hypnotic effect can occur in a
repetitive note 
> sequence.  Is there any longer repetition in the
literature than in 
> the L'Arlesienne suite, I think a little more than 100
bars of d# b 
> c#?
> 


Maybe Ravel's Bolero? 

Also, in L'Arlesienne, I think that passage is
alternated between horns 1+2 and horns 3+4, which
helps a little. 

Bill, another really rank amateur 



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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Bill Tyler]

--- David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> The same but opposite hypnotic effect can occur in a
> repetitive note
> sequence.  Is there any longer repetition in the
> literature than in the
> L'Arlesienne suite, I think a little more than 100
> bars of d# b c#?
> 


Maybe Ravel's Bolero? 

Also, in L'Arlesienne, I think that passage is
alternated between horns 1+2 and horns 3+4, which
helps a little. 

Bill, another really rank amateur 



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[Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[James Ray Crenshaw]

> Like Herb, I resort to fingers

Not towards the conductor, we hope. But if so, we're pulling for you.

With no "phrasal reference," I start with the left hand and bend fingers
over (towards closed into palm) across both hands for measures up to 10,
then start back at the beginning with and "unbend" motion. If the measures
go much above 20, I'm looking for writing in cues cause I like to feel I'm
part of the music that's happening, not an accountant.

I also try to arrange measure counting with "phrasal references" (I just
made that up). That is, if the to-be-counted measures number 20, and if
there are normal 8-bar phrases (or close to it), I make my own resting
measure roadmap above the printed line.

FOR INSTANCE: If there are twenty bars rest, I play in the first 4-bars of
the 1st phrase, then rest for 20, I make it look like this (bet this won't
work in e-mail)


4 16
ll ll


...which, on my part, crudely attempts the superimposition of logic onto the
chaotic backdrop of life. And so I go through life, tilting the tulips.

jrc

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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[David Goldberg]

About the hardest counting for me is counting 1 beat per bar; that's
usually in a fast 3/8.  It takes extra concentration to not think of 2
after thinking of 1.

If I remember right, there is such a huge rest in the Schumann piano
concerto, I think about 85 bars, followed by an entrance on high g#.

The same but opposite hypnotic effect can occur in a repetitive note
sequence.  Is there any longer repetition in the literature than in the
L'Arlesienne suite, I think a little more than 100 bars of d# b c#?


{  David Goldberg:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Jerry J]

date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:50:53 +0100
from: Tom Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures


On 22 May 2005, at 1:28 pm, Herbert Foster wrote:


Here's a question I haven't seen discussed: How do you count
measures without
getting lost? I use my fingers in a bi-quinary mode: thumb down for
1, thumb
down curled for 6. That way I can count to 100 with both hands
using the left hand as the tens digit.


I use American Sign Language.

You can count to 999 with one hand...


What a great concept! I'm going to look into that!

Jerry Jensen

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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Tom Warner]

On 22 May 2005, at 1:28 pm, Herbert Foster wrote:

Here's a question I haven't seen discussed: How do you count  
measures without
getting lost? I use my fingers in a bi-quinary mode: thumb down for  
1, thumb
down curled for 6. That way I can count to 100 with both hands  
using the left hand as the tens digit.


I use American Sign Language.

You can count to 999 with one hand...

HTH
Tom

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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Graham Jarvis]

Hi
Herb Foster asked about tips for counting.

Like Herb, I resort to fingers but usually find that it's enough to count with 
five fingers without complicating things with curled or uncurled - if I'm 
likely to get more than five bars/measures then I'd be thinking about writing 
in some cues. In the end the counting has to be in the head not the fingers - 
but sometimes the extra reinforcement is a life-saver. 

Whenever possible I would count a slow 8 as a four. (One, and two, and three, 
and four and) Just works better for me that way.

I don't usually find it's a problem in concert - but counting the same passage 
umpteen times while the strings sort out the details can make concentration 
difficult after a long day's work.

Regards,
Graham

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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Herbert Foster]

Priceless! It puts me right there. 

Here's a question I haven't seen discussed: How do you count measures without
getting lost? I use my fingers in a bi-quinary mode: thumb down for 1, thumb
down curled for 6. That way I can count to 100 with both hands using the left
hand as the tens digit. 

A slow 8 still gives me problems, like the opening to Shostakovich 5.

Herb Foster
--- Alan Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, try it this way...
> 
> http://members.cox.net/acole2/AAC-count.jpg
> 
> (no screen name, no password, no folderol)
> 
> -AC.
> 



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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Alan Cole]

OK, try it this way...

http://members.cox.net/acole2/AAC-count.jpg

(no screen name, no password, no folderol)

-AC.
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Screen Name:

Password:

???

Carlberg Jones
Guanajuato, Gto.
MEXICO





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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Carlberg Jones]

At 10:29 PM -0400 5/21/05, Alan Cole wrote:
>http://pstr-m01.ygpweb.aol.com/data/014/5A/03/62/24/6I-Ie-PhNcbcu99KUjfft4r0Kp0
>uXfuf0180.jpg>http://pstr-m01.ygpweb.aol.com/data/014/5A/03/62/24/6I-Ie-PhNcbcu9
>9KUjfft4r0Kp0uXfuf0180.jpg


Screen Name:

Password:

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[Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Alan Cole]

It's not a pretty sight, but here it is...

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