[Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Ah yes. Stopping valve questions ... always good fodder for the hornlist discussion group(s). Let me add some comments. Carlbergnow is your chance to commission that Concierto de Juarez for Stopped Horn and Orquestra. Heck write it yourself and have a premiere !!! Paul tsk tsk The Weber is tricky but Danzi is certainly accessiible on the F/Bb double horn. Some purists could comment that these wonderful works played on anything but the natural horn is "Sacrilege Grande". I won't comment on that but will say that using the valved horn +and* a stopping valve for ease of fingerings could be comsidered excessive use of "equipment crutch". :). commercial message here for Lowell Greer's Harmonia Mundi recording of the Beethoven sonata, the Brahms trio and the von Krufft sonata. He is the man. And his colleagues playing with him are a true pleasure to the ear Some more serious comments. Stop valves are *intended* for stopping use only. Just like the first valve on the F side is only intended for a full tone on the F side, etc. Simply using a valve to put it 1/2 tone down for your Bb horn pitched in A will cause slight intonation issues with the other valved notes. And these issues are greater with the full double horn. Engelbert Schmid did have an explanation and specs in his website on how to adjust his full double horns to correctly pitch them in E/A. Some questions: the covered notes of the natural horn are the ancestral tones of the modern stopped horn tones. Who were those composers that took those first musical exploitations of these sounds ? Who were the performers? What about all the various horn mutes and their history in natural and valves horn ? I think Hans may now be awakened like that dragon in that opera I can't quite recall the name ;) Final comments. Do not forget to practice stopped horn.Play long tones, etudes and of course your stopped horn passages Explore alternate fingerings if you don't have a stop valve. And don't forget intonation if you are using the stop valve while "en ouevre". Regards Carl Ek Mooselip Canada ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Paul, I have a Alexander 103 with a manual A+ slide that fits in the Bb tuning slide tubes off the change valve, with the valve closed horn functions as a normal 103 F/Bb with the valve open as an F/A or adjusting it's tuning slide Stopped. John In a message dated 4/16/2009 7:16:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, corno...@aol.com writes: Hi David, The answer to your question is sometimes. Both Paxman and Alexander offer (as an extra accessory), a slide with a manual change valve. With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A slide for stopping. Some other makers also have this option available. Paul Navarro Custom Horn -Original Message- From: David A. Jewell To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Dan Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra length? Paxmaha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno911%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memph is.edu/mailman/options/horn/johnlwilber%40aol.com **Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Robson, That is exactly it. Paul -Original Message- From: Robson Adabo de Mello To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve It must be something like that: http://hornplayer.net/images/forsale/8721.jpg Robson Hi David, The answer to your question is sometimes. Both Paxman and Alexander offer (as an extra accessory), a slide with a manual change valve. With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A slide for stopping. Some other makers also have this option available. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno911%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
It must be something like that: http://hornplayer.net/images/forsale/8721.jpg Robson Hi David, The answer to your question is sometimes. Both Paxman and Alexander offer (as an extra accessory), a slide with a manual change valve. With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A slide for stopping. Some other makers also have this option available. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Like this one? http://www.finkehorns.de/Bilder/Horns/B-Horn-5valves-big.jpg It seens to be a 2 pieces stopping valve. Probably the middle piece is removable... 2009/4/16 Dan Phillips > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, David A. Jewell wrote: > > Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can >> choose between stopping and A horn. >> >> Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra >> length? >> > > No. The slide is in two pieces. One serves as an extension to a normal > valve slide; with the extension in place the valve lowers the pitch 3/4 > step, take it out and it lowers the pitch a half step. > > Dan > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/robson.adabo%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Hi David, The answer to your question is sometimes. Both Paxman and Alexander offer (as an extra accessory), a slide with a manual change valve. With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A slide for stopping. Some other makers also have this option available. Paul Navarro Custom Horn -Original Message- From: David A. Jewell To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Dan Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra length? Paxmaha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno911%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, David A. Jewell wrote: Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra length? No. The slide is in two pieces. One serves as an extension to a normal valve slide; with the extension in place the valve lowers the pitch 3/4 step, take it out and it lowers the pitch a half step. Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Dan Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra length? Paxmaha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
On Apr 16, 2009, at 6:58 PM, David A. Jewell wrote: I would caution that the stopping valve is NOT a 1/2 step valve, rather a 3/4 step valve, designed to compensate for the fact that when stopping in Bb the effect is more than 1/2 step. Thus that is why it is on the Bb side of the horn. There is no key change that is effective when using it, [A becomes somewhere between G and Ab for instance.] Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
I would caution that the stopping valve is NOT a 1/2 step valve, rather a 3/4 step valve, designed to compensate for the fact that when stopping in Bb the effect is more than 1/2 step. Thus that is why it is on the Bb side of the horn. There is no key change that is effective when using it, [A becomes somewhere between G and Ab for instance.] Also let it be known that Kallison is no longeer in business so that anyone who purchases one of their horns can only get support from their local repairperson. Paxmha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
