[Hornlist] The Finke high f valve

2006-03-20 Thread Alon reuven
Hi all
I have been wondering for quite a while about the Finke mouth pipe valve
idea . At a first glance it seems like a revolutionary idea :the high f horn
does not interfere with the double horn structure , and the chances are
,that the reaction of the instrument would resemble the kind of reaction
double horns produce , plus the advantage of an high f module.
Now - I found out that the idea of a mouth pipe valve has been patented by
Veneklassen , back in the early 70 's (I read about it in hornplayer.net ).
Is the Idea of a mouthpipe valve so bad ?
If not - how come other makers did not try it?
thanks,
Alon
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RE: [Hornlist] The Finke high f valve

2006-03-20 Thread Loren Mayhew
   The mouthpipe piston valve that Finke uses greatly simplifies the problem
of getting a triple or double descant horn to play in tune. In the Finke
design, the valve is placed as close as possible to the mouthpiece shank to
avoid any node interference on either the F/Bb double side or the f side.
This design allows the f horn to be tuned independently of the F/Bb side
instead of having to be a compromise between the f/Bb sides as in
traditional triple design. As you noted, the other advantage is that you in
fact have a very nearly true double horn and a separate f horn each with
their unique tambers.
   In actual testing, most people don't really notice a playing difference
between the double side of a Finke triple and an equivalent Finke double
horn apart from the normal difference that exist between any two horns;
occasionally someone will notice a slight difference, but I doubt it would
be noticeable if the two horns weren't played side by side.

Loren Mayhew
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Subject: [Hornlist] The Finke high f valve

Hi all
I have been wondering for quite a while about the Finke mouth pipe valve
idea . At a first glance it seems like a revolutionary idea :the high f horn
does not interfere with the double horn structure , and the chances are
,that the reaction of the instrument would resemble the kind of reaction
double horns produce , plus the advantage of an high f module.
Now - I found out that the idea of a mouth pipe valve has been patented by
Veneklassen , back in the early 70 's (I read about it in hornplayer.net ).
Is the Idea of a mouthpipe valve so bad ?
If not - how come other makers did not try it?
thanks,
Alon
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Re: [Hornlist] The Finke high f valve

2006-03-20 Thread Tom Warner


On 20 Mar 2006, at 2:32 pm, Alon reuven wrote:


Is the Idea of a mouthpipe valve so bad ?
If not - how come other makers did not try it?


Paxman use a (rotary) mouthpipe valve.

Tom
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