Re: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th
Sorry, Eric, if scored for "corno secundo", it means, it was scored for a player who had everything except the extrem high register , the clarino register. The modern horn player. The extreme high players were named "Prim Hornist" (Corno primo). Leutgeb was a "corno secundo". In Beethovens symphony nop.9 there are brilliant samples of "battere come secundo corno" (in the 12/8 rhythm, the triades). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:44 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th I won't try to answer explain modern day practice but in answer to your question: > Why did Beethoven > score it for 4th > Horn if the Principal would end up playing it? Was there that much > difference between expectations of 4th Horns players when he completed > the work and today? Beethoven did not score that part for 4th horn, he scored it for second horn--the second of the pair in Eb. It is a classic Beethoven second horn solo. Our modern day concept of 4th horn did not exit in Beethoven's time. The only situation where horns would be numbered 1, 2, 3, 4 is if they were all in the same key. Eric James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th
Even then back in history, orchestras had a working plan and employment lists. Sometimes they wanted a very good player, but there was no appropriate vacancy. So they hired the better player, but he could be paid as a 4rth horn player perhaps (receiving some compensation from the budget for a defunct position). The plyer for the fourth horn solo in the 9th symphony was such a virtuoso, while many of todays 4rth horn players are not used to be exposed that much with this well known longer solo. So first horns, used to solo anyway, took over. Has been so the entire 20th century in most places (with exceptions, rare exceptions.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:04 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th >From what I've heard in modern performances of Beethoven's 9th the 4th >Horn Solo more often than not is performed by the Principal Horn rather than the 4th Horn. How long has this been the practice? Why did Beethoven score it for 4th Horn if the Principal would end up playing it? Was there that much difference between expectations of 4th Horns players when he completed the work and today? Just curious. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th
I won't try to answer explain modern day practice but in answer to your question: > Why did Beethoven > score it for 4th > Horn if the Principal would end up playing it? Was > there that much > difference between expectations of 4th Horns players > when he completed the > work and today? Beethoven did not score that part for 4th horn, he scored it for second horn--the second of the pair in Eb. It is a classic Beethoven second horn solo. Our modern day concept of 4th horn did not exit in Beethoven's time. The only situation where horns would be numbered 1, 2, 3, 4 is if they were all in the same key. Eric James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th
I've never understood what it is about valves that's considered so unnatural. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 04:06 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote: >Before the row about natural and valves starts, can I say that two weeks ago >we performed Beethoven 9 on natural horns - the 4th solo was played >excellently on natural horn by the 4th horn, Dan Coghill. (who is English). > >All the best, > >Lawrence > >"þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" > >_http://lawrenceyates.co.uk_ (http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/) >Dulcian Wind Quintet: _http://dulcianwind.co.uk_ (http://dulcianwind.co.uk/) > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th
Before the row about natural and valves starts, can I say that two weeks ago we performed Beethoven 9 on natural horns - the 4th solo was played excellently on natural horn by the 4th horn, Dan Coghill. (who is English). All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" _http://lawrenceyates.co.uk_ (http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/) Dulcian Wind Quintet: _http://dulcianwind.co.uk_ (http://dulcianwind.co.uk/) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Warning -> Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th
>From what I've heard in modern performances of Beethoven's 9th the 4th Horn Solo more often than not is performed by the Principal Horn rather than the 4th Horn. How long has this been the practice? Why did Beethoven score it for 4th Horn if the Principal would end up playing it? Was there that much difference between expectations of 4th Horns players when he completed the work and today? Just curious. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
