Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb
In a message dated 2/3/2006 12:37:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi - I have a Geyer wrap double horn with a poorly slotted high Bb (concert Eb). The note is too easily splattered, overshot, undershot, etc. My colleagues have the same experience on this horn with this same note. The G, Ab, A, B, and C are all solid enough - just a squirrelly Bb. The valves all have good compression. I have tried different leadpipes (Lawson, Holton, Yamaha 867, etc.) and different mouthpieces without getting a satisfactory improvement. Anyone out there have any success with fixing this specific sort of problem? Is this a Yamaha 667? If it is and you have to pull the tuning slide 1 1/2 to 2" to get the pitch down, the problem is caused by the large gap caused by the excess pull of the tuning slide. A repairman can insert some inner slide tubes into your outer slide tubes to fill the gap. Your high Bb would be much better. Wes ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb
I got an adjustable hand reamer from McMaster-Carr that long enough to open up all the slide joints to a full .468 bore. I have yet to cause a leak, so I suppose the cheaper fixed diameter reamer sized to the horn might work as well. This process can make a huge difference. Acoustically, what happens is that two protruding solder rings will define a resonator chamber. I think about a 6 inches long is near 1kHz, so the horn is trying to play those notes along with what you're really attempting. Since these are not harmonic with the root note you're playing, they produce instability. Almost all the solder joints are at the slides, so the reamer only has to be about five inches long. I did this to a Texas Reynolds that I got on eBay for $210 (the bell was flattened before the horn had seen much use-rotors tight as new), and my son and I were flabbergasted at the improvement. The Texas Chamber's design is as good as the Cleveland, and my wife hasn't played her Elkhart 8D since. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:41:38 EST Subject: Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb In a message dated 2/3/06 12:37:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone out there have any success with fixing this specific sort of problem? Some solutions that might help this problem are: to use spacers in the slide if it is pulled out very far. to check and see if there are any ledges in insides of the slide where the parts are soldered ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb
In a message dated 2/3/06 12:37:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Anyone out there have any success with fixing this specific sort of > problem? > > If there are any ledges, then the slide must be dissasembled and reassembled without the ledges. Also, the slide may have been assembled with a lot of tension in it. This could cause difficulties in response. If it were my horn, I would also check to make sure that the crook at the end of the slide had the same internal bore as the slide tubing. Is the slide loose? If so, it may need to be tightened. These are some possibilities for helping to correct the problem. Paul Navarro ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb
In a message dated 2/3/06 12:37:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Anyone out there have any success with fixing this specific sort of > problem? > > Some solutions that might help this problem are: to use spacers in the slide if it is pulled out very far. to check and see if there are any ledges in insides of the slide where the parts are soldered ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb
One of my friends has had success using an AcoustiCoil to corect this type of thing. http://www.dmamusic.org/acousticoils/ Linda -Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Feb 3, 2006 1:37 PM >To: horn@music.memphis.edu >Subject: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb > >Hi - I have a Geyer wrap double horn with a poorly slotted high Bb (concert >Eb). > >The note is too easily splattered, overshot, undershot, etc. > >My colleagues have the same experience on this horn with this same note. > >The G, Ab, A, B, and C are all solid enough - just a squirrelly Bb. > >The valves all have good compression. > >I have tried different leadpipes (Lawson, Holton, Yamaha 867, etc.) and >different mouthpieces without getting a satisfactory improvement. > >Anyone out there have any success with fixing this specific sort of problem? > >Regards -RWH > > >___ >post: horn@music.memphis.edu >unsubscribe or set options at >http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lacornista%40mindspring.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb
I once had a Yamaha 867 Geyer wrap - a wonderful horn but also with a poorly slotted B flat - that is on the B flat side of the horn. On the F side, it was great - easy to play and in tune. So try the F side or if you are playing on the F side, try the B flat side. I have also played Geyer wraps with a great B flat, but a not-so-hot B. My Finke Brendan really has no poorly slotted notes, at least not that I have found. Sincerely, Ellen Manthe On 2/3/06 12:37 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi - I have a Geyer wrap double horn with a poorly slotted high Bb (concert > Eb). > > The note is too easily splattered, overshot, undershot, etc. > > My colleagues have the same experience on this horn with this same note. > > The G, Ab, A, B, and C are all solid enough - just a squirrelly Bb. > > The valves all have good compression. > > I have tried different leadpipes (Lawson, Holton, Yamaha 867, etc.) and > different mouthpieces without getting a satisfactory improvement. > > Anyone out there have any success with fixing this specific sort of problem? > > Regards -RWH > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ellenmanthe%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb
>>I have tried different leadpipes (Lawson, Holton, Yamaha 867, etc.) and different mouthpieces without getting a satisfactory improvement. - How about some good ol'fashioned practice? (Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm sure that's not the problem...) Olav Traa Montreal ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] slippery high Bb
Hi, Check your right hand position in the bell. Regards,Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] slippery high Bb
Hi - I have a Geyer wrap double horn with a poorly slotted high Bb (concert Eb). The note is too easily splattered, overshot, undershot, etc. My colleagues have the same experience on this horn with this same note. The G, Ab, A, B, and C are all solid enough - just a squirrelly Bb. The valves all have good compression. I have tried different leadpipes (Lawson, Holton, Yamaha 867, etc.) and different mouthpieces without getting a satisfactory improvement. Anyone out there have any success with fixing this specific sort of problem? Regards -RWH ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
