[Hornlist] slow air
Don't forget, we put air into the horn at what? maybe 30 miles an hour let's say, but the sound goes through the horn at something like 700 miles an hour. It's not the air that's making the sound. With a little practice, you can play by sucking in instead of blowing out (who needs circular breathing!) - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Slow Air
Imagery and imaginative descriptions of what we do likely have little actual resemblance with what we do as horn players and teachers. However, there is usually a concept at heart that someone needs to begin to understand in the ongoing struggle to improve as a player. I call to witness the brass player's U on one's face that Farkas talks about. Further, do you recall how Hans Pizka talks about the air being sipped through the lips into the mouthpiece and not blown. Yet, it is clear that there must be an increase in air pressure in the lungs and thorax as one propels sound through the horn. Without any air pressure nothing happens. It MUST, however, be controlled. It has to be aimed. The lips must produce a buzz of the right frequency and amplitude. Without directed, supported air pressure being emitted through an embouchure then NOTHING HAPPENS. There has been a lot of dialogue about scientific evidence and measured dynamics; but there is no way to get concrete specifics that will make an Ifor James out of a 14 year old beginner, without fail in six months. We who teach must often resort to descriptive terms that, we hope, can stimulate imagination and experimentation that result in applying the right tiny adjustments that result in growth and improvement. By the way, I like the term of floaty air as if on a cloud. Very helpful for those delicate pp entrances! Might help your next Oberon entrance. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Wednesday, April 27, 2005, at 12:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once received mail from Mr. Mansur stating that a hornist uses slower air than a trumpet player. My teacher says use floaty air as if on a cloud (maybe the imagery is unclear), but she also said don't use gail force wind air. Is there a way to compare the force of air that a hornist uses vs. the speed of air that a trumpet uses for example: Horn: warm air as in to warm your hands in the wintertime Trumpet: Blow out birthday candles These are the images that she thinks of. Is these good images for me to use? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Slow Air
I once received mail from Mr. Mansur stating that a hornist uses slower air than a trumpet player. My teacher says use floaty air as if on a cloud (maybe the imagery is unclear), but she also said don't use gail force wind air. Is there a way to compare the force of air that a hornist uses vs. the speed of air that a trumpet uses for example: Horn: warm air as in to warm your hands in the wintertime Trumpet: Blow out birthday candles These are the images that she thinks of. Is these good images for me to use? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Slow Air
absolutely not. the horn requires more air than a trumpet. more tubing = more air, at least for making it speak. in the words of my teacher: you think way too much. just put it to your lips and do it. you'll be able to tell if you're doing things right by the reactions of those around you. giving the horn as much air as warming your hands- in such a slow fashion- will kill your tone. when you blow like that you're blowing the air AT something. the trumpet-way that was mentioned is more like blowing-through something. You're blowing through the air to reach the candles. Blow through the horn to reach the end of the bell. You will of course have to ration your air to make long passages, but the horn is an extension of yourself, not just some object you use to make noise. When you think of the horn as another part of your body it should open things up a bit. Dave Freelance Mid-Michigan Former 2nd horn WV Chamber Orchestra On 27.04.2005, at 0:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once received mail from Mr. Mansur stating that a hornist uses slower air than a trumpet player. My teacher says use floaty air as if on a cloud (maybe the imagery is unclear), but she also said don't use gail force wind air. Is there a way to compare the force of air that a hornist uses vs. the speed of air that a trumpet uses for example: Horn: warm air as in to warm your hands in the wintertime Trumpet: Blow out birthday candles These are the images that she thinks of. Is these good images for me to use? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/morganp2%40msu.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Slow Air
Have a look at my web page: http://home.earthlink.net/~rnward/mechanics.html On Apr 27, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Patrick Morgan wrote: absolutely not. the horn requires more air than a trumpet. more tubing = more air, at least for making it speak. in the words of my teacher: you think way too much. just put it to your lips and do it. you'll be able to tell if you're doing things right by the reactions of those around you. giving the horn as much air as warming your hands- in such a slow fashion- will kill your tone. when you blow like that you're blowing the air AT something. the trumpet-way that was mentioned is more like blowing-through something. You're blowing through the air to reach the candles. Blow through the horn to reach the end of the bell. You will of course have to ration your air to make long passages, but the horn is an extension of yourself, not just some object you use to make noise. When you think of the horn as another part of your body it should open things up a bit. Dave Freelance Mid-Michigan Former 2nd horn WV Chamber Orchestra ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Slow Air
let me amend that- fast and slow air also affects the vibration of your lips, as does your aperture. slower air for lower notes until you hit low-low notes then the aperture needs to come together, and the bottom lip needs to turn out a bit while the chin goes out blah blah blah- faster air for higher to some extent. also the speed of your air will affect how tight your embouchure becomes, etc... ah, the mechanics of horn playing... Dave, again On 27.04.2005, at 0:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once received mail from Mr. Mansur stating that a hornist uses slower air than a trumpet player. My teacher says use floaty air as if on a cloud (maybe the imagery is unclear), but she also said don't use gail force wind air. Is there a way to compare the force of air that a hornist uses vs. the speed of air that a trumpet uses for example: Horn: warm air as in to warm your hands in the wintertime Trumpet: Blow out birthday candles These are the images that she thinks of. Is these good images for me to use? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/morganp2%40msu.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
