RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Before you use such a word as Fascist, you better keep your mouth shut. Plus regarding Quasthoff: he absolutely cannot act on stage due to his physical handicaps. He would be a great Johanaan or Wolfram, indeed, but it is impossible. He could borrow his voice to an actor, who could replace him on stage. But I do not believe, that opera houses would cover the extra expenses. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff Does it matter if it is extreme? Sounds like you're running out of Fascist support. Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
To correct things: I am not speaking AGAINST any extreme person as player, BUT I am just warning, that much less than ideal physical conditions can result in DESASTERS, more or less. We live in communities not alone. So we have to be responsible not selfish all the time. Just warnings to those, who have never experienced such situations or disasters. If one plays in the professional field that long, as I do, one has the obligation to give knowledge back to the younger generation. It is exactly what I did what I am doing. If you on the list, who know all much better with your few years on the horn (still studying or still unsuccessful), don't believe me, well, go ahead eat the shit, but do not complain, that it stinks. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Kosta Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff Hans is correct, talking about the 'extremes' does not usually help the vast majority who are somewhere in the middle. Hans' views are realistic, and not discrimination - I am sure he would acknowledge great playing by any person - even if the player was an 'extreme'. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA Not a member of the 'Pizka Fan Club', but Hans has been solidly corrert in this discussion. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Why dont you ask me about informations about my horns my view about Alexander horns - not directly ? Just curious. And I have told the list, that all info regarding my horns or music can be found on my website. Alexanders: world famous brand, too many models, but the 103 still one of the best horns I ever played. I used to play Alex 103 before I developed my own horn. One addition regarding my horns: They will not be produced as lacquered, only silver gold plated. It costs a bit more, but people care more about the instrument then. So the investment is for a much longer time. And the last time: I was not discouraging beginners with a problem here a problem there, but pointing teachers to more care, if their students have physical conditions or handicaps which will REALLY inflect their abilities to a greater degree. The responsibility of the teachers is questioned, not the student. The teacher is requested to point the student to review his or her desire for a certain instrument eventually switch the interest to a better suited instrument, task, whatever. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff I agree, but to discourage a beginning player with a serious problem was very harsh of Hans especially without having firsthand knowledge of the player in question. Has everyone of us never had a major problem with our playing that needed fixed? If our teachers and mentors discouraged us instead of encouraged us, where would we be? If you look at the scope of the world, han's comments were discriminating, maybe it was a true generalization/observation but look what happens to top political figures (initials R.L.) when they say something true but discriminative. I feel everyone from both sides has said enough and we should move on to next weeks' heated debate! In the mean time could Mr. Pizka please send me information on his Custom horns as well as his view on Alexander horns? Thanks, Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Free country hans.Free country! Tried to end it nicely now I'm just not going to respond! Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Regarding Thomas Quasthoff... At 10:45 PM 10/19/2003 +0200, you wrote: He cannot perform in a staged opera due to his physical status. Was he not in a staged version of Fidelio this past year in Salzburg, or was that concerted? I believe there was a concerted version in Berlin, but I thought I had read he was to be in a stage version in Salzburg. Also, I believe he as been contracted to perform Amfortas in Parsifal in Berlin next year... Amy ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Yes, that´s right, but Amfortas is an ill person. But strangely, Amfortas was also a king a knight, difficult to resemble by Thomas Quasthof. Yeah, there was a commanding field marshal with ancient East Rome, defeating the Gots, and Prince Eugene from Savoy, who defeated the Turks at Belgrade. But it is a different thing on stage, where optical factor play a great role, where the production nowadays rarely respect the story of the play .. so things are getting difficult. But my question is: why shall we always compromise if all speak about highest demand all the time, while singers, players, anybody else compareable to Thomas Quasthof can superior us in other fields. As a community, we might compromise and we have to. But will you and you and YOU too compromise, if all compromise is battled out on your shoulders ??? It is a privilege to be healthy potential, and it is a pleasure to help. But are YOU ready to help, even if you have to reduce your EGO ? I doubt that, as I know todays generation too well. For us elder is it normal, to offer the elder or the ladies the seat, open the door for them. But for the younger . I doubt. If you belong to the handicapped (more or less), you should not start things asking for a compromise at first hand. First demonstrate your extra ordinaire qualities, then we talk about compromise. The same as we have to do too. I repeat: FIRST DEMONSTRATE YOUR EXTRA ORDINAIRE QUALITIES in performance, human being etc. Anything earlier is mere socialism unfair inflating everything to an average level. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amy Jo McBeth Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:53 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff Regarding Thomas Quasthoff... At 10:45 PM 10/19/2003 +0200, you wrote: He cannot perform in a staged opera due to his physical status. Was he not in a staged version of Fidelio this past year in Salzburg, or was that concerted? I believe there was a concerted version in Berlin, but I thought I had read he was to be in a stage version in Salzburg. Also, I believe he as been contracted to perform Amfortas in Parsifal in Berlin next year... Amy ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Are you really free in your country ??? Patriot act ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff Free country hans.Free country! Tried to end it nicely now I'm just not going to respond! Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Hans and Hoss, Can't we all just get along??? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
All in good fun, Hans, yes I see your point and I understand it, sorry list, Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Although that joke is SOOO early 90's, I laughed anyway. Chris --- Rodney King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans and Hoss, Can't we all just get along??? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
that reminds me of Thomas Quasthoff. Thomas Quasthoff is famous baritone with some physical deformities, but has made some great recordings and often performs in concert opera performances as well as oratorios etc. I heard recently that he performed, or will perform in a staged opera though. --- Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...SNIP See the example of the phantastic heroe tenor singer. But he is just 5 1/2 feet. Can you hire him for the title role in Siegfried ??? The audience would starting laughing, special when he encounters the 6 feet + Bruennhilde of 150 pounds. His voice will not matter then. If he wears high heels, he would walk on stage quite comical degrade to a caricature of the role. But he might be very good as recording artist. SNIP == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR Professor Pizka and others, While you continually make this point about some people are not suited for some things, I feel that you go about it in the wrong fashion. It seems that your take on the matter is that if someone tries to make it in the world of horn playing, who does not have an ideal tongue, or lips, etc. then he is out to ruin the profession. Is there idealism in music? Of course. Idealistically Beethoven would not have become deaf. Yet, almost every conductor still ends their tenure with an orchestra with his Ninth symphony. Audiences still love it. If a hornist with thick lips or an imperfect embouchure can play the music, no matter what Hans Pizka thinks is the definition of music, and the audience enjoys it, they will get hired. Even if this person has to work slightly harder than the posterboy hornist, but can play, what's to stop him from trying? Biased orchestral hornists who feel that only their way is right; the same people that will only let their section play a Conn 8D, or an Alexander, or a Paxman. While there is constant dissuasion to not letting the irregulars try, there seems to be no reasoning for it. There is reasoning for why they may not make it, whether it is biases or that the person simply isn't good enough, but there is no reasoning why this person may not try. While you say that you are not trying to discriminate, in effect, you are. Keep more of an opened mind, and maybe keep your eyes closed from that guy with the thick lips playing a Holton really well. While practice may never make him perfect, he can get just about as close as anyone else. Michael Scheimer, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 2003 Interlochen Arts Camp Concert Band, 2002, 2003 PMEA Honors Band and 2003 District Orchestra Founding co-member of Fünf Brass Quintet ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
He cannot perform in a staged opera due to his physical status. If you have seen him or done a concert with him you would know it. But his voice is really something special and he is a great artist having limitations, not in the singing but acting. But anyway, it is not fair quoting the extremes as samples. We talk about the average not about the sensations. If we would just talk about the extremes, we would reduce our forum to the level of the cheapest daily newspapers. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Tedesco Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:05 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff that reminds me of Thomas Quasthoff. Thomas Quasthoff is famous baritone with some physical deformities, but has made some great recordings and often performs in concert opera performances as well as oratorios etc. I heard recently that he performed, or will perform in a staged opera though. --- Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...SNIP See the example of the phantastic heroe tenor singer. But he is just 5 1/2 feet. Can you hire him for the title role in Siegfried ??? The audience would starting laughing, special when he encounters the 6 feet + Bruennhilde of 150 pounds. His voice will not matter then. If he wears high heels, he would walk on stage quite comical degrade to a caricature of the role. But he might be very good as recording artist. SNIP == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR Professor Pizka and others, While you continually make this point about some people are not suited for some things, I feel that you go about it in the wrong fashion. It seems that your take on the matter is that if someone tries to make it in the world of horn playing, who does not have an ideal tongue, or lips, etc. then he is out to ruin the profession. Is there idealism in music? Of course. Idealistically Beethoven would not have become deaf. Yet, almost every conductor still ends their tenure with an orchestra with his Ninth symphony. Audiences still love it. If a hornist with thick lips or an imperfect embouchure can play the music, no matter what Hans Pizka thinks is the definition of music, and the audience enjoys it, they will get hired. Even if this person has to work slightly harder than the posterboy hornist, but can play, what's to stop him from trying? Biased orchestral hornists who feel that only their way is right; the same people that will only let their section play a Conn 8D, or an Alexander, or a Paxman. While there is constant dissuasion to not letting the irregulars try, there seems to be no reasoning for it. There is reasoning for why they may not make it, whether it is biases or that the person simply isn't good enough, but there is no reasoning why this person may not try. While you say that you are not trying to discriminate, in effect, you are. Keep more of an opened mind, and maybe keep your eyes closed from that guy with the thick lips playing a Holton really well. While practice may never make him perfect, he can get just about as close as anyone else. Michael Scheimer, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 2003 Interlochen Arts Camp Concert Band, 2002, 2003 PMEA Honors Band and 2003 District Orchestra Founding co-member of Fünf Brass Quintet ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff
Hans is correct, talking about the 'extremes' does not usually help the vast majority who are somewhere in the middle. Hans' views are realistic, and not discrimination - I am sure he would acknowledge great playing by any person - even if the player was an 'extreme'. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA Not a member of the 'Pizka Fan Club', but Hans has been solidly corrert in this discussion. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
